Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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Sorry Achi, you are trying to equate 2 separate verses/chapters...Romans 14:5-6 and Colossians 2:16-17...

I proving my point which I have, by showing where Paul says the same thing to the Colossians as he does to the Romans.



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So what’s the significance of the Sabbath?
It is one of God's 10 Commandments in the new covenant that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we break it just like anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin. According to the scriptures in HEBREWS 10:26-31 if we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin for us but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come.
Like I have been saying for years now, why do you condemn people for going to Church on Sunday or Wednesday rather that Saturday?
I do not condemn anyone just the same as I do not judge anyone. I have only shared God's Word and God's Word is not my words but Gods' Word. If someone feels condemned by the scriptures that are only shared in love and as I help, then that is between that person and God as we are not to judge anyone as they are God's Word and God's Spirit works through his Word *JOHN 16:7-11 and if someone feels condemned by God's Word it is between that person and God as they are God's Words not our words which we will all be judged by according to the scriptures in JOHN 12:47-48. Our responsibility is to believe Gods Words and follow them.
What does the New Testament instruct us to do on the Sabbath? JLB
Already answered in the very post you are quoting from. No need for repetition. (bottom section of post 571 linked). Read the post you are quoting from.

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Make sure you do these things on the Sabbath from the law of Moses.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36
No need to put people to death today as we are living in the new covenant not the old covenant under the civil laws of Israel. In the old covenant it was not only God's 4th commandment but most of God's 10 commandments that were opening broken resulted in the death penalty (see DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21).

The death penalty for open sin in the old covenant, was to teach God's people that the wages of sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) is death. Nothing has changed. The wages of sin is still death to all those who continue in known unrepentant sin and reject the gift of Gods dear son according to the scriptures in the new covenant *ROMANS 6:23 except today JESUS says vengence is mine *ROMANS 12:19 and his reward is with him at the second coming to those who reject his Word in order to continue in known unrepentant sin (see HEBREWS 10:26-39; REVELATION 22:12; PHILIPPIANS 3:18-19; MATTHEW 7:13-27; 1 THESSALONIANS 5:3; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-9; 1 TIMOTHY 6:9; 2 PETER 2:1-6). Yep not looking so great for those who reject Gods Word in order to live in known unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it as shown in the scriptures shared here.
‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10
Once again we are in the new covenant now. The shadow laws pointing to JESUS are fulfilled in the new covenant (e.g. JOHN 1:29)

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I believe he is trying to tell you that you are deleting through absence...you keep asking about NT Sabbath and he is asking you where in the NT does it say to not take The Name in vain...

I have never said the commandments of taking His name in vain, or lying, or stealing or adultery or sorcery or homosexuality or fornication, or idolatry or dishonoring your father or mother, or inappropriate behavior with animals, or drinking blood or hating and the like are not sins.


I have asked where in the New Testament are we instructed to keep the Sabbath as the law of Moses required?


Still have not gotten an answer yet.




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I proving my point which I have, by showing where Paul says the same thing to the Colossians as he does to the Romans.

What point have you proven? I do not believe the scriptures say what you think they do but happy to show why if your interested.
 
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I have asked where in the New Testament are we instructed to keep the Sabbath as the law of Moses required? Still have not gotten an answer yet.

Well that is not true.

YOUR NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES (posted earlier)

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WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

2. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath.
MARK 2:28 [28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath (see also MATTHEW 12:8; JOHN 1:1-4; 14)

3. JESUS says it is lawful to do God's work and good on the Sabbath day..
MATTHEW 12:3-12
[3], But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;
[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5], OR HAVE YOU NOT READ IN THE LAW, HOW THAT ON THE SABBATH DAYS THE PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLE PROFANE THE SABBATH, AND ARE BLAMELESS?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
[9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], HOW MUCH THEN IS A MAN BETTER THAN A SHEEP? WHY IT IS LAWFUL TO DO WELL ON THE SABBATH DAYS.

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WHAT DID PAUL TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. He followed the example of JESUS and kept the Sabbath according to the 4th commandment.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:2 [2], AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, WENT IN TO THEM, AND THREE SABBATH DAYS REASONED WITH THEM OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES (see also; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; Acts of the Apostles 13:27; Acts of the Apostles 13:44; Acts of the Apostles 15:21; Acts of the Apostles 16:13; Acts of the Apostles 18:4; Revelation 1:10 and Matthew 12:8.

2. God's people are to continue to keep the Sabbath and believe God's Word.
HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

We have not even started on what JESUS and the Apotles taught on the ten commandments yet of which the Sabbath is God's 4th commandment. If your interested in more scripture please see; 1 here linked and 2. here linked

All of this here is only new testament and new covenant scriptures. We have not even started on any of the old testament scriptures either from the Torah and the prophets. There is too much scripture that disagrees with you JBL and they are God's Words not anyone elses.

Hope this is helpful dear friend.
 
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It is one of God's 10 Commandments in the new covenant that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we break it just like anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin. According to the scriptures in HEBREWS 10:26-31 if we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin for us but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come.


Not one single scripture reference you referred to mentions the 10 Commandments.


There are many many more than 10.


Please post a verse from the New Testament that say “10” Commandments.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




Please give us an example of breaking the Sabbath under the New Covenant?



Is going to Church on Sunday a sin?

Is cooking on the Sabbath a sin?

Is traveling on the Sabbath a sin?



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What point have you proven? The do not believe the scriptures say what you think they do but happy to show why if your interested.


Well that is not true.

YOUR NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES (posted earlier)

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WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

2. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath.
MARK 2:28 [28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath (see also MATTHEW 12:8; JOHN 1:1-4; 14)

3. JESUS says it is lawful to do God's work and good on the Sabbath day..
MATTHEW 12:3-12
[3], But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;
[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5], OR HAVE YOU NOT READ IN THE LAW, HOW THAT ON THE SABBATH DAYS THE PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLE PROFANE THE SABBATH, AND ARE BLAMELESS?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
[9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], HOW MUCH THEN IS A MAN BETTER THAN A SHEEP? WHY IT IS LAWFUL TO DO WELL ON THE SABBATH DAYS.

............

WHAT DID PAUL TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. He followed the example of JESUS and kept the Sabbath according to the 4th commandment.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:2 [2], AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, WENT IN TO THEM, AND THREE SABBATH DAYS REASONED WITH THEM OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES (see also; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; Acts of the Apostles 13:27; Acts of the Apostles 13:44; Acts of the Apostles 15:21; Acts of the Apostles 16:13; Acts of the Apostles 18:4; Revelation 1:10 and Matthew 12:8.

2. God's people are to continue to keep the Sabbath and believe God's Word.
HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

We have not even started on what JESUS and the Apotles taught on the ten commandments yet of which the Sabbath is God's 4th commandment. If your interested in more scripture please see; 1 here linked and 2. here linked

All of this here is only new testament and new covenant scriptures. We have not even started on any of the old testament scriptures either from the Torah and the prophets. There is too much scripture that disagrees with you JBL and they are God's Words not anyone elses.

Hope this is helpful dear friend.




Please give us an example of breaking the Sabbath under the New Covenant?



Is going to Church on Sunday a sin?

Is cooking on the Sabbath a sin?

Is traveling on the Sabbath a sin?




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LoveGodsWord wrote: It is one of God's 10 Commandments in the new covenant that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we break it just like anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin. According to the scriptures in HEBREWS 10:26-31 if we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin for us but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come.
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Not one single scripture reference you referred to mentions the 10 Commandments.
Nonsense. The context is sin which is transgression of the law and ROMANS 7:7 is referencing God's 10th commandment (coveting). God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath that God blessed, and set apart as a holy day in creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 is one of God's 10 commandments is it not?
 
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Well that is not true.

YOUR NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES (posted earlier)

................

WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

2. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath.
MARK 2:28 [28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath (see also MATTHEW 12:8; JOHN 1:1-4; 14)

3. JESUS says it is lawful to do God's work and good on the Sabbath day..
MATTHEW 12:3-12
[3], But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;
[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5], OR HAVE YOU NOT READ IN THE LAW, HOW THAT ON THE SABBATH DAYS THE PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLE PROFANE THE SABBATH, AND ARE BLAMELESS?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
[9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], HOW MUCH THEN IS A MAN BETTER THAN A SHEEP? WHY IT IS LAWFUL TO DO WELL ON THE SABBATH DAYS.

............

WHAT DID PAUL TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. He followed the example of JESUS and kept the Sabbath according to the 4th commandment.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:2 [2], AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, WENT IN TO THEM, AND THREE SABBATH DAYS REASONED WITH THEM OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES (see also; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; Acts of the Apostles 13:27; Acts of the Apostles 13:44; Acts of the Apostles 15:21; Acts of the Apostles 16:13; Acts of the Apostles 18:4; Revelation 1:10 and Matthew 12:8.

2. God's people are to continue to keep the Sabbath and believe God's Word.
HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

We have not even started on what JESUS and the Apotles taught on the ten commandments yet of which the Sabbath is God's 4th commandment. If your interested in more scripture please see; 1 here linked and 2. here linked

All of this here is only new testament and new covenant scriptures. We have not even started on any of the old testament scriptures either from the Torah and the prophets. There is too much scripture that disagrees with you JBL and they are God's Words not anyone elses.

Hope this is helpful dear friend.


Please give an example from the New Testament of a person breaking the Sabbath?


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The context is about love, not fasting.

The subject is fasting. If this passage isn't about fasting; then your initial argument goes POOF!


Paul is dealing with the hypocrisy of the Jewish brothers,

This passage doesn't even mention Jewish brothers. There are no Jewish brothers in Messiah, according to Paul. This is pure speculation.


(CLV) Ga 3:28
in Whom there is not Jew nor yet Greek, there is not slave nor yet free, there is not male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus.


Jewish brothers, who have elevated themselves as superior to the Gentile brothers

Again, Messiah didn't practice Judaism; and he certainly didn't practice Greek Paganism. Yahshua practiced Torah. There are no Jew, nor Pagan brothers in Messiah.

believing that keeping certain parts of the law of Moses made them more spiritual, while continuing to practice the works of the flesh.

Again, there is nothing in the law that dictates that we fast. This passage doesn't mention anything about works of the flesh. That's pure fabrication from nothing.
 
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Please give us an example of breaking the Sabbath under the New Covenant?
Sure read Exodus 20:8-11. What do you think that means?
Is going to Church on Sunday a sin?
What day did JESUS and the Apostles go to Church on? - Yep the seventh day Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment. We can go to Church any day of the week if we want to only the seventh day is blessed by God as a holy day and if we break God's 4th commandment just like any of the 10 commandments the bible teaches it is sin *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7
Is cooking on the Sabbath a sin?
Yep
Is traveling on the Sabbath a sin?
Did JESUS and the Apostles travel to go to Church on the Sabbath?

Your welcome :)
 
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Nonsense. The context is sin which is transgression of the law and ROMANS 7:7 is referencing God's 10 commandment (coveting).
Your response...

Nonsense. The context is sin which is transgression of the law and ROMANS 7:7 is referencing God's 10th commandment (coveting).
Your response...

Nonsense. The context is sin which is transgression of the law and ROMANS 7:7 is referencing God's 10th commandment (coveting).


Please post a New Testament scripture that refers to the “10” Commandments?


What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:7-12



No mention of the “10” Commandments.


No mention of the Sabbath.



Please show where the New Testament requirements are for
“Keeping the Sabbath”?



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New Testament of a person breaking the Sabbath?
JLB

So JBL, you seem very anti Sabbath? Can you show me the scipture that says Gods 4th commandment is abolished now and it is not a requirement for christian living and no longer a part of God's 10 commandments?
 
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The subject is fasting. If this passage isn't about fasting; then your initial argument goes POOF!


POOF! Goes your argument.


The subject is about love.


I never mentioned fasting.


The Church is not required to keep special days, which includes sabbaths, feast days, new moons.


The Church is not required to abstain from eating pork or shrimp or lobster.


The Church is not required to become physically circumcised.


All these requirements were found in the law of Moses which has been abolished.



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Sorry bro,


Eating and not eating is referring to eating meat vs vegetables.

Esteeming one day over another refers to sabbaths, feast day, and new moons.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17

Sorry Bro,

Romans and Colossians are two completely different letters, with two completely different conversations, with two completely different groups of people.

We can't just chop up the Bible, and rearrange the words, to make it say what we want it to say.
 
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Please post a New Testament scripture that refers to the “10” Commandments? What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Romans 7:7-12 No mention of the “10” Commandments. No mention of the Sabbath. Please show where the New Testament requirements are for“Keeping the Sabbath”? JLB

Nonsense. Here you go..

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET

Hmm what law is PAUL quoting dear friend?

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

Hmm what law is JAMES quoting dear friend?


Did you catch that JBL? The scriptures are quoting the 10 commandments.

Hope this helps.
 
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So JBL, you seem very anti Sabbath? Can you show me the scipture that says Gods 4th commandment is abolished now and it is not a requirement under God's 10 commandments?

Im not anti Sabbath.

stop trying to change the subject.


Let me know when you have found where the Church is to observe the Sabbath as required by the law of Moses.


Please show where the New Testament requirements are for
“Keeping the Sabbath”?


Until then I’ll be waiting.




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Sorry Bro,

Romans and Colossians are two completely different letters, with two completely different conversations, with two completely different groups of people.

We can't just chop up the Bible, and rearrange the words, to make it say what we want it to say.


Two different letters that teach the same doctrine.



Please show us the scripture that the Church is required to become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses.



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