Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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Again, this passage is about fasting. It has nothing to do with the Sabbath; unless one decides to fast on the Sabbath.

I don't fast on the Sabbath. Context is key.


The context is about religious people condemning others because the are not keepIng a part of the the law of Moses that is important to them.

The context is about love, not fasting.

Paul is dealing with the hypocrisy of the Jewish brothers, who have elevated themselves as superior to the Gentile brothers believing that keeping certain parts of the law of Moses made them more spiritual, while continuing to practice the works of the flesh.


Some unlearned Gentiles were carried away with this hypocrisy and began to follow the example of these carnal Jewish brothers, thinking it pleased God to continue in the ordinances of the law of Moses that hade been abolished.


Eating Kosher, observing special days, Sabbaths, new moons, wearing Jewish costumes, using Hebrew words, all have nothing to do with being holy, and have no value against the lustful desires of the flesh.


Context —


Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:
“As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”
So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans 13:8-14:14


Special days that were observed under the law of Moses, which include Sabbaths, as well as obstaining from certain foods, are no longer required.



The only thing that matters is walking according to the Spirit, which is the way of love, righteousness and truth.




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In Ex 20:8-11 we see that God does not "esteem every day alike".

In Gal 4 God condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day - as follows
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

The days fo Rom 14 are the annual God-approved holy days of Lev 23 where "one man observes one day above another while another man observes them all"


Ok Bob, I see you can’t show us where Jesus or His Apostles instructed us how to observe the Sabbath.


Keep quoting from the law of Moses.



Make sure to include this in your Sabbath keeping:


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36



And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10






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So is that one of your traditions or do you have a Bible text for it??


The early Church gathered on the first day of the week to come together and teach.



Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7



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The early Church gathered on the first day of the week to come together and teach.

Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7
JLB

No doubt there was one farewell sermon given by Paul in Acts 20.

In Acts 2 they broke bread "every day" -
46 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

And of course there was that one time in Acts 20.
 
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The context is about religious people condemning others because the are not keepIng a part of the the law of Moses that is important to them.

I didn't even read the rest of what you posted; after I read this faulty premise, with its' bare assertion fallacy bonus. There is no command in the law of Moses commanding, set aside fast days.

My argument is irrefutable; and the onus is on you to produce said law.

You can't. It's not there.
 
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The context is about religious people condemning others because the are not keepIng a part of the the law of Moses that is important to them.

The context is about love, not fasting.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

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CONTEXT! It is regarding fasting...

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
 
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Ok Bob, I see you can’t show us where Jesus or His Apostles instructed us how to observe the Sabbath.

I can see you are not going to show us where Jesus and his disciples told us to not take God's name in vain. But that's ok because there is no text in the Bible that says anything Jesus did not repeat - should be deleted from scripture.

So ... no worries.

BTW Jesus want to the synagogue on Sabbath and read scripture "as was His practice"

Luke 4: 16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.

In the NT "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 ... Jesus was not a sinner according to the NT.
 
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I can see you are not going to show us where Jesus and his disciples told us to not take God's name in vain. But that's ok because there is no text in the Bible that says anything Jesus did not repeat - should be deleted from scripture.

So ... no worries.

BTW Jesus want to the synagogue on Sabbath and read scripture "as was His practice"

Luke 4: 16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.

In the NT "Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 ... Jesus was not a sinner according to the NT.

Deletion through absence...typical
 
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The early Church gathered on the first day of the week to come together and teach. Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7 JLB

WRONG dear friend! But here is why. According to the scriptures, the early church came together EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK to teach and break bread. The first day simply being one of those days. The disciples as their custom was also kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath following in the footsteps of JESUS and the Apostles *LUKE 4:16; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:2.

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 2:46-47
[46], And THEY, CONTINUING DAILY WITH ONE ACCORD IN THE TEMPLE, AND BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, DID EAT THEIR MEAT WITH GLADNESS AND SINGLENESS OF HEART, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And THE LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Ok Bob, I see you can’t show us where Jesus or His Apostles instructed us how to observe the Sabbath. JLB

The new testament scriptures do not delete the old testament scriptures. In the days of JESUS and the Apostles their bible was the Old testament scriptures. Much of what we have today in the new testament scripture comes from the old testament scriptures we they point to JESUS as the promised Messiah and God's plan of salvation for mankind in the new covenant.

Gods LAW (10 commandments) in the new covenant according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment as well as all the 10 commandments were given by God to his people in the old covenant.

In the new covenant JESUS came to give us a better understanding of the law. JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART.

BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Dear JBL, Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that defines what sin is in the new covenant scriptures. JESUS came to teach us how to correctly keep the Sabbath as did PAUL the Apostle and God's eternal law (10 commandments) are all through the old and new testament scriptures fulfilled and establised by faith that works in a new heart to love...

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YOUR NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES

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WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind
MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

2. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath.
MARK 2:28 [28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath (see also MATTHEW 12:8; JOHN 1:1-4; 14)

3. JESUS says it is lawful to do God's work and good on the Sabbath day..
MATTHEW 12:3-12
[3], But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;
[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5], OR HAVE YOU NOT READ IN THE LAW, HOW THAT ON THE SABBATH DAYS THE PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLE PROFANE THE SABBATH, AND ARE BLAMELESS?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
[9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], HOW MUCH THEN IS A MAN BETTER THAN A SHEEP? WHY IT IS LAWFUL TO DO WELL ON THE SABBATH DAYS.

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WHAT DID PAUL TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. He followed the example of JESUS and kept the Sabbath accoring to the 4th commandment.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:2 [2], AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, WENT IN TO THEM, AND THREE SABBATH DAYS REASONED WITH THEM OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES (see also; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; Acts of the Apostles 13:27; Acts of the Apostles 13:44; Acts of the Apostles 15:21; Acts of the Apostles 16:13; Acts of the Apostles 18:4; Revelation 1:10 and Matthew 12:8.

2. God's people are to continue to keep the Sabbath and believe God's Word.
HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

We have not even started on what JESUS and the Apotles taught on the ten commandments yet of which the Sabbath is God's 4th commandment. If your interested in more scripture please see; 1 here linked and 2. here linked

All of this here is only new testament and new covenant scriptures. We have not even started on any of the old testament scriptures either from the Torah and the prophets. There is too much scripture that disagrees with you JBL and they are God's Words not anyone elses.

Hope this is helpful dear friend.
 
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No doubt there was one farewell sermon given by Paul in Acts 20.

In Acts 2 they broke bread "every day" -
46 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

And of course there was that one time in Acts 20.


And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Acts 2:40-47



  • And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Did the Apostles teach the people on the Sabbath or everyday?


So why the big push to gather on the Sabbath, if we are supposed to come together every day.


What is the significance of the Sabbath in the New Testament.


Please share with us some things from the apostles’ doctrine that they taught about the Sabbath.






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I didn't even read the rest of what you posted; after I read this faulty premise, with its' bare assertion fallacy bonus. There is no command in the law of Moses commanding, set aside fast days.

My argument is irrefutable; and the onus is on you to produce said law.

You can't. It's not there.

It seems you didn’t read any of my post.

Here is what I said —


The context is about religious people condemning others because the are not keepIng a part of the the law of Moses that is important to them.

The context is about love, not fasting.

Paul is dealing with the hypocrisy of the Jewish brothers, who have elevated themselves as superior to the Gentile brothers believing that keeping certain parts of the law of Moses made them more spiritual, while continuing to practice the works of the flesh.



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CONTEXT! It is regarding fasting...

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.


Sorry bro,


Eating and not eating is referring to eating meat vs vegetables.

Esteeming one day over another refers to sabbaths, feast day, and new moons.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17




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WRONG dear friend! But here is why. According to the scriptures, the early church came together EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK to teach and break bread.


So what’s the significance of the Sabbath?


Like I have been saying for years now, why do you condemn people for going to Church on Sunday or Wednesday rather that Saturday?


What does the New Testament instruct us to do on the Sabbath?



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The new testament scriptures do not delete the old testament scriptures


Make sure you do these things on the Sabbath from the law of Moses.


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36



And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10



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No doubt there was one farewell sermon given by Paul in Acts 20.

In Acts 2 they broke bread "every day" -
46 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

And of course there was that one time in Acts 20.
They continued in the apostles doctrine (daily). Acts 2.
 
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Sorry bro,


Eating and not eating is referring to eating meat vs vegetables.

Esteeming one day over another refers to sabbaths, feast day, and new moons.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17




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Sorry Achi, you are trying to equate 2 separate verses/chapters...Romans 14:5-6 and Colossians 2:16-17...
 
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I never mentioned anything about “taking God’s name in vain”.

You have me mixed up with someone else.

JLB

I believe he is trying to tell you that you are deleting through absence...you keep asking about NT Sabbath and he is asking you where in the NT does it say to not take The Name in vain...
 
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