Is this possible for us? (Mark 12:30-31)

Behold said:

If Jesus didn't die for "the sin of the world", which is all our sin, then we would die in them, and then we would end up in hell.
All SIN, has to be dealt with, as its SIN that separates us from God.
Christ became them all on the Cross and died for them all.

The "unpardonable sin", is to die an unbeliever.
John 3:36

To die a Christ rejector, is to have committed the "unpardonable sin", as its the one sin that Christ on the Cross can't forgive. He can't forgive you for rejecting Him, so, you will die un-pardoned. = The Unpardonable sin.

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if what your saying is correct that he died for all sin period, then even the unbeliever would be forgiven according your what your saying, since he died for all the sins of the world and unbelievers are part of the world.

A true unbeliever is a person that has had the chance to learn Jesus teachings and reject them due to not accepting them but rather twisting them so he can agree with them.

Amos Ministries said:

if what your saying is correct that he died for all sin period, then even the unbeliever would be forgiven according your what your saying, since he died for all the sins of the world and unbelievers are part of the world.

A true unbeliever is a person that has had the chance to learn Jesus teachings and reject them due to not accepting them but rather twisting them so he can agree with them.

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Sorry but I disagree. Jesus' death on the cross was the price paid for all sin, but a person has to accept that it paid for her/his sins also. John 3:16, perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible, says " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Everyone must believe in the redemptive act by Jesus, that it applies to them personally. If so you have eternal life, if not you will perish and be lost forever.

Aussie Pete said:

Those who are born again have a new nature which is of God. Lord Jesus comes to live in us in the Person of His Holy Spirit. If we will allow the Lord Jesus to live in us and through us, we will not have to try to love God. We will love God because we want to, not because we have to. Life overcomes death. The Law brings death. Lord Jesus is the Life giver.

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We allow the Holy Spirit to live in us by repenting to the teachings of Jesus and we fulfill the law by believeing in the word of God thought Jesus interpretation.

pescador said:

Sorry but I disagree. Jesus' death on the cross was the price paid for all sin, but a person has to accept that it paid for her/his sins also. John 3:16, perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible, says " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Everyone must believe in the redemptive act by Jesus, that it applies to them personally. If so you have eternal life, if not you will perish and be lost forever.

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To believe in Jesus is to believe his teachings "if you love me you will follow my commands". Or "why do you call me lord, lord and do not do what I say".

Their is no other way to believe in Jesus, meaning Jesus died for us to hear the truth, this is the love the father had for the world to sacrifice His son so that we could hear the truth even though he knew he who suffer and be killed.

but those who twist it to suit them are blasphemous not those who never knew the truth to start with who are the world they do not know right from wrong there right hand from there left hand.

Behold said:

Are you not perfect in God's perspective if you have "The Gift of Righteousness"?
How perfect is God's Righteousness????? So, if you have it?.....What are you?
Is there any SIN in Christ?
Are the born again "in Christ"?
If Jesus BECAME your sin and you have become "The righteousness of God In Christ"", then how righteous are you ?
Does the Blood Atonement have more Power to keep you righteous, or do you have more power then the Blood Atonement to make yourself unrighteous?

"where sin abounds GRACE more abounds"..

Salvation is not a work in progress.. Its a "finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross".

Do you have it?
Then its complete.
Now, live a life of DISCIPLESHIP that is...."As Christ is, so are the born again in this world".

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The only way to be sinless as Christ is to believe everything he said as he said it meaning we must not twist it and compromise it to suit us or to be agreeable to us. This can only be done when we realize that we will never measure up in action to the standards Jesus has set. But we can do so in belief, meaning we do not twist the things he taught no matter how much we fall short and find it impossible to follow in action. We are human and will never be perfect but we can be perfect in our beliefs of right and wrong as per Jesus and aspire with all our hearts minds and strength to follow it. When we fall short we must ask for forgivness and God is faithful to forgive us no matter what the sin and no matter how many times we commit it by falling short, this is the grace of God.

But indeed when you sin you must repent not to man but to God and continue to aspire not to sin again but ineveitably you will sin again but if you repent God will forgive you no matter how times, as long as you do not stop aspiring to follow his word as per Jesus interpretaion. The second you no longer aspire to follow it you know you have compromised it by twising his teachings to suit yourself. Bare Fruit in keeping with repentance john the baptist said.

Amos Ministries said:

We allow the Holy Spirit to live in us by repenting to the teachings of Jesus and we fulfill the law by believeing in the word of God thought Jesus interpretation.


To believe in Jesus is to believe his teachings "if you love me you will follow my commands". Or "why do you call me lord, lord and do not do what I say".

Their is no other way to believe in Jesus, meaning Jesus died for us to hear the truth, this is the love the father had for the world to sacrifice His son so that we could hear the truth even though he knew he who suffer and be killed.

but those who twist it to suit them are blasphemous not those who never knew the truth to start with who are the world they do not know right from wrong there right hand from there left hand.

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Amos Ministries said:

We allow the Holy Spirit to live in us by repenting to the teachings of Jesus and we fulfill the law by believeing in the word of God thought Jesus interpretation.


To believe in Jesus is to believe his teachings "if you love me you will follow my commands". Or "why do you call me lord, lord and do not do what I say".

Their is no other way to believe in Jesus, meaning Jesus died for us to hear the truth, this is the love the father had for the world to sacrifice His son so that we could hear the truth even though he knew he who suffer and be killed.

but those who twist it to suit them are blasphemous not those who never knew the truth to start with who are the world they do not know right from wrong there right hand from there left hand.

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Lord Jesus is the Truth. He leads us in our born again spirit. His commands are for now, in daily, moment by moment life, not just in a book written 2,000 yeas ago. Yes, there are principles to follow. Love God, love yourself, your neighbour and the brethren about sums it up. The question is always "How?" When we live in total dependence on the Lord Jesus who lives within, we will be in harmony with Him and God's will gets done. Studying the Bible and trying to obey as best you can leads to failure and defeat.

I don't agree with your comment that studying the bible leads to failure. If you are repentant then you will be able to see that your life philosophies are wrong and that Jesus ways are correct but if you are unrepentant you will attempt to twist/compromise his teachings to become agreeable to you.

An example is Jesus told the rich young ruler to give up all. But when you read it closer you'll see that Jesus is trying to tell him that he is fulfilling loving his neighbor as himself but it is not fulfilling loving God with all his heart mind strength and soul and he can fulfill this by giving up all and following Jesus. Meaning giving up all his possessions by selling and giving the money to the poor and then following Jesus. The rich young ruler did not want to accept the statement meaning he was unrepentant and so could not fulfill loving God with all his heart mind and strength. A repentant person would have accepted the statement and with that the holy spirt would enable him to actually fulfill what Jesus had said. That is why Jesus said what is impossible with man is possible with God. Meaning mans spirit cannot fulfill this but Gods Holy Spirit can. The Holy Spirit comes by accepting the words of Jesus no matter how difficult it sounds which is why peter said you have the words that lead to eternal life meaning your words lead to the Holy Spirit.

Most people would twist the statement of give up all to mean something else but the disciples said we have given up everything they accepted the statement and so received the Holy Spirit.

This is what I mean by not compromising Jesus teachings.

It's not wrong to fall short of his teachings but it is wrong to deny them by not accepting it by twisting or compromising his teachings just because you don't think you can do it.

zoidar said:

Mark 12:28-31
One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

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Jesus came to fulfill the law and was subject to the law. Context- who was He talking to? “Hear O Israel”, the Lord was talking to those under the law and subject to the law (Israel). Why did He not give them grace in this instance? They approached Him under the law as a teacher/rabbi not as the messiah, they did not recognize Him so He gave them the law. This encounter runs in line with the rich young ruler, what must “I” do to earn eternal life. What did Jesus give Him the law all because of that “I “. Look at the women caught in adultery she called Him Lord and the law was not given only grace. No one on the planet has, nor ever will fulfill this statement by their own will hence the reason the Father sent the Son. Jesus did fulfill this command and that righteousness has been given to us. If you are saved by the blood of the lamb you have fulfilled this command through HIM and the Father has accounted you as righteous.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

the word perfection does not mean sin free. it means wholeness, holiness.

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Amen Wrapped. Holy is to be set apart and how are we set apart definitely not by our own actions or works. We are set apart by the only one who was set apart the Lord Jesus.

Behold said:

The wonder of God's Grace, that many will never understand, is..... To be accepted by God, we have to be as Sinless as Christ. Otherwise, GOD can't have us, or take us.
We have to be of EQUAL RIGHTEOUSNESS To God, before we can go to heaven.
This has to happen BEFORE WE DIE.
Enter...........THE CROSS.
The Cross, is the Finished work of Jesus, that is proven to be true by the Resurrection of The Christ from the Dead.
And what else does it prove? It proves that if you are born again, you are just as Righteous as God, .. being MADE Righteous by the Blood Atonement. "The GIFT of Righteousness".
When does that end? It ends when God dies.
You'll be just as Righteous as God, "The righteousness of God, In Christ" for as long as God LIVES.
This is how long the effect of being made righteous by the BLOOD ATONEMENT, will last.
Thats why its called "Eternal Life".

"but what if i sin"....
You already have, hundreds of times.
"well what if i forgot to repent hundreds of times' ??
What if you did?
Are you born again? Then THAT is why go to heaven, not because you carefully remember all your sin and repent of them one by one.

Consider this..
You are the Righteousness of God in Christ, ALWAYS.
Think about that the next time you are repenting and confessing, and you just might begin to come into your first actual understanding of the GRACE OF GOD.

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amen. God is eternal, John saw the lamb as if He was just slain and that same lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God drop down a few verses and the word became flesh. Gods sacrificial lamb exists outside of time and John showed us that. When the Lord was crucified the earth experienced that turning moment but He had been slain from the foundation because God is eternal and not subject to time. How can we be continuously cleansed, because right now if someone who was allowed access could say I see the lamb as if He was just slain. When Christ was crucified it was for past present and future sins or how else did He go and set the captives free. Am amazing God who will never leave you nor forsake you. The sins I commit tomorrow are under His blood.

Behold said:

Are you not perfect in God's perspective if you have "The Gift of Righteousness"?
How perfect is God's Righteousness????? So, if you have it?.....What are you?
Is there any SIN in Christ?
Are the born again "in Christ"?
If Jesus BECAME your sin and you have become "The righteousness of God In Christ"", then how righteous are you ?
Does the Blood Atonement have more Power to keep you righteous, or do you have more power then the Blood Atonement to make yourself unrighteous?

"where sin abounds GRACE more abounds"..

Salvation is not a work in progress.. Its a "finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross".

Do you have it?
Then its complete.
Now, live a life of DISCIPLESHIP that is...."As Christ is, so are the born again in this world".

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correct. If your works could not save you then once saved how can your works keep you saved. Those that believe it can are admitting that their perspective is the first Adam was greater than the second Adam. Jesus has power and authority over the sin of the first Adam and that victory has been afforded to us by His finished work on the cross.

zoidar said:

Mark 12:28-31
One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

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We hear this each Sunday at my Church in the Liturgy and many others have this in their liturgies

First... yes is the answer. Christ.. or the Father since Christ only said what the Father did, would not say it if we could not do it. He has always said this OT NT.

Hmm Something is ... not what it seems. I know that is vague but.. like a warning went off. If you know my posts.. I never say this.

Put to you like this. No matter how you feel about Benny Hinn.. toss that out. I remember many years ago he was on TV. A prayer line and a woman came up asking for prayer... what I get now is what I got then. The Holy Spirit said.. she is not who she claims to be. And.. I found out later she was a reporter. Lying about what was wrong to catch Benny Hinn. Lol poor guy.. the world after him and some of Gods people.. praise GOD glory to Jesus. anyway

So John said behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Peter said...Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

John said And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hello GOOD NEWS!

zoidar said:

Mark 12:28-31
One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

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Read the lives of the Saints. Many of them did indeed accomplish this.

grasping the after wind said:

Us = you and me. It has noting to do with a nation.
The USA is not actually a nation it is a country with citizens from many nations.

Whether I am a Christian or not I cannot do the impossible. With God nothing is impossible but with me many things are. That is why I need grace.

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It still comes down to my using Americanized patriotic Christianity ("Us") which is an example of failing the test of love for God When compared to the individual believer ("Us") who through the New Birth can do as Paul says;

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” Galatians 5:16 (KJV 1900)

That is also presented in the Sermon on the mount, where we love enemies instead of killing them.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

the word perfection does not mean sin free. it means wholeness, holiness.

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From the moment we are born again, we are "sinless".
if this is not so, we would have our sin, and that is the state of an unbeliever.
So, we are sinless, based on the Blood Atonement.
We are "the righteousness of God" in Christ.
Where believers become confused about this is thinking..>"well how can i be sinless, when i just sinned again, 567 times.."
Its because your behavior is YOURS, and Salvation is GOD's.
Salvation is God making you righteous.....So, that is already completed.
Colossians 2:10-11 , we are COMPLETE in Christ.
This is you finished salvation...... You have it, because it was given to you, as "The gift of Salvation", .. "the gift of Righteousness".

That is where you START, ... The day , the instant ...you are born again. You are fully redeemed from the START.

THEN, you start working on your behavior .. This is YOUR part. Its called DISCIPLESHIP.
THIS PART is not Salvation... Salvation is "the finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross" that you received..
Its this part....'""Grace Thru faith, without WORKS".
So,the works that you do, are BECAUSE you ARE already saved.
This is DISCIPLESHIP. It follows salvation.
Growing in Grace, or being conformed into the image of Christ is always occurring, BECAUSE you are already born again.
So, what you are doing, is... you are "working out your salvation".....THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, AS "the righteousness of God in Christ".
You are learning how to understand Grace. How to exit in Grace. "you are not under the Law, you are under Grace".....and this is to learn how to live a Holy Life, that REFLECTS the Righteousness you are already BECOME, "in Christ".

Dave L said:

It still comes down to my using Americanized patriotic Christianity ("Us") which is an example of failing the test of love for God When compared to the individual believer ("Us") who through the New Birth can do as Paul says;

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” Galatians 5:16 (KJV 1900)

That is also presented in the Sermon on the mount, where we love enemies instead of killing them.

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There is no such person named Americanized patriotic Christianity. Love of any kind is only possible for an individual it is not a feature of a group. Groups can be tribalistic but they cannot be loving. Individuals within the group are those that can be loving.

grasping the after wind said:

There is no such person named Americanized patriotic Christianity. Love of any kind is only possible for an individual it is not a feature of a group. Groups can be tribalistic but they cannot be loving. Individuals within the group are those that can be loving.

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As I said, Us, the worldly Christians cannot live the Sermon on the mount (Love others) and obey the demands of the State in war. I think Luther tried this in his dual morality doctrine. Us = believers who can walk in the Spirit and not after the flesh according to Paul.

Dave L said:

As I said, Us, the worldly Christians cannot live the Sermon on the mount (Love others) and obey the demands of the State in war. I think Luther tried this in his dual morality doctrine. Us = believers who can walk in the Spirit and not after the flesh according to Paul.

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WE i.e. human beings both Christian and non Christian, cannot obey the commands Jesus gave us . WE, all of us, are incapable of such intense agape. Only God is able to accomplish that. No amount of effort will allow us to accomplish it. No attempt to walk in the Spirit will accomplish it. It cannot be accomplished. For us it is impossible. For God nothing is impossible. He gives us infinite and eternal Grace and Peace and Love thereby accomplishing the goal of obedience that those commands require.

grasping the after wind said:

WE i.e. human beings both Christian and non Christian, cannot obey the commands Jesus gave us . WE, all of us, are incapable of such intense agape. Only God is able to accomplish that. No amount of effort will allow us to accomplish it. No attempt to walk in the Spirit will accomplish it. It cannot be accomplished. For us it is impossible. For God nothing is impossible. He gives us infinite and eternal Grace and Peace and Love thereby accomplishing the goal of obedience that those commands require.

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Paul says you can walk after the Spirit and avoid sinning. Or walk after the flesh and sin.

Dave L said:

Paul says you can walk after the Spirit and avoid sinning. Or walk after the flesh and sin.

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You mean the guy that called himself chief of sinners and said the following
Romans 7:15-20 English Standard Version (ESV)

15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.