Did You Really Not Know That Christ Must Be Obeyed? --Yes, You!

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I read post #6. It tells me that you are not yet aware that the Lord wants you to learn thousands of doctrines in your lifetime.

Keeping it limited to what you have makes it seem that maturity in Christ is to be some sort of one shot deal. Those whom the Lord warned against were not regenerate. They were never born again. They receive their power to perform miracles not from God. Yet, they are duped into believing the power was from God.

The Lord will tell them.. "I never knew you."

Never knew them? They were never saved.

Its not a matter of obedience to the Lord's commands. Its was a matter of the command to enter into regeneration. For these religious ones will take certain commands from the Lord. Then they misinterpret them, because they are lost to the context. And, they will obediently follow those commands of Jesus. Commands that will no longer apply to our day and age of the Church.

That shows how human obedience is not what the Lord seeks. The Lord is not seeking loyal and faithful boy scouts to follow commands extracted from the Bible. He is seeking those who will worship Him in spirit and in Truth. Being able to make the Bible become alive in their being. By worshiping Him in an abundance of knowledge of sound doctrinal teachings. Teachings that God will provide through a few qualified pastor-teachers. Pastor-teachers who found the true meaning of the spiritual life, and have remained loyal to study and teach for all their live. Their congregations will grow in Christ as the pastor-teacher grows.

Not to "preach." But, to teach. Preaching should only be as a sidebar, not the means to spiritual growth.

But be continuously growing in the grace and knowledge
of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both
now and forever! Amen."
2 Pet 3:18​

Now.. That is the commandment of commandments!

To never stop growing in gaining more and more in learning sound doctrinal teachings. Because, we must decrease so that He can increase in the expression of our lives in Christ.

grace and peace...
With respect, your comments on my ignorance are irrelevant to the questions I've raised, for I have yet to appeal to myself.

Many things, however, do concern me greatly about your post, first of which is your assertion that the non-believers Jesus spoke about had power to do miracles that were not from God. This is highly problematic, because in the short list of miracles they performed was the casting out of devils, which is specifically from God, as explained by the Lord:

"Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: and if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." --Matthew 12:22-31

Secondly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to be unaware that knowing God, and Jesus Christ, is the actual definition of salvation:

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." --John 17:3

"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day." --2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

Thirdly, and perhaps the most concerning, is your advocation that obedience to Christ is not required, save in one command, "the command to enter into regeneration." I will briefly quote the Holy Spirit on this point:

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." --John 3:36

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." --1 John 2:4-5

Fourthly, your assertion that Christ is not looking for loyal and faithful "boy scouts" to obey His word, but is rather looking for those who would worship Him in spirit and in truth, is also very concerning; because one can only worship God in spirit and in truth if they reject the doctrines of men and obey the Doctrine of Christ, otherwise, He calls them hypocrites, and regards their worship as vain:

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." --Matthew 15:7-9

These, and many other points, and underlying presuppositions in your post, serve to illustrate just how necessary it is to question convention, and to always appeal to the word of the Lord as the basis for our faith.

I hope my response is of service to you.

PS: The Greatest Command, before all, is spelled out by the Lord:

"But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." --Matthew 22:34-40

"And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question." --Mark 12:28-34

Let me know what you think, thanks.
 
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Its a progression and maturing process. We never become 100% sinless. The potential remains always there. Not "sinless." But, as we mature we will sin less. And, less, and less.

If anyone could become sinless? There would be no need for a resurrection body, nor the Cross itself.
Without the cross, we wouldn't be able to crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts. (Ga 5:24)
We would all be still walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.
It was the means of our rebirth. (Rom 6:4)
It is the means of our sinlessness.
As for the resurrection body...it will be given to all whose names are in the book of life on the day of judgement.
What we walk in now is the Lord's vessel. (Gal 2:20)
 
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Its a progression and maturing process. We never become 100% sinless. The potential remains always there. Not "sinless." But, as we mature we will sin less. And, less, and less.

If anyone could become sinless? There would be no need for a resurrection body, nor the Cross itself.
If you believe the potential is always there, why don't you believe anyone ever reaches that potential?
The process you refer to was instant for me, thanks be to God.
I turned from sin, had my past sins remitted, and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
The results...an ex-sinner washed of past sin by the blood of Christ who has the Holy Spirit in residence.
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.(1 Cor 10:13)
That verse is true.
All men can be "sinless".
 
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Without the cross, we wouldn't be able to crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts. (Ga 5:24)
We would all be still walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.
It was the means of our rebirth. (Rom 6:4)
It is the means of our sinlessness.
As for the resurrection body...it will be given to all whose names are in the book of life on the day of judgement.
What we walk in now is the Lord's vessel. (Gal 2:20)

You are confusing what is called "positional truth" for experiential truth. What God declares has taken place is from God's perspective of seeing the past as being the future. We have been crucified with Christ. God sees us as already glorified, but our experience says otherwise. We must accept it by faith.

For example? Here is what I speak of. Its called "positional truth." Not experiential truth (truth what we actually experience in the here and now...

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the
heavenly realms in Christ Jesus."
Eph 2:6​

I guarantee you that your keyboard is not situated in heaven, though God says that's where we are.

God declares what is to be as already happening because God knows He can not fail to do what He says will be. The future can be the present to Him in His timelessness state of being..
 
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If you believe the potential is always there, why don't you believe anyone ever reaches that potential?.

Its always growing.


Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal,
but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me."
Philpns 3:12​

Did Paul say he had fully achieved? Tell me where he said that, please. For he admitted he was yet not fully where he was to be
 
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Brother, beware against quoting the Lord out of context.

The following is the Lord's definition of friends:

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." --John 15:14

A friend to the Lord, is a servant who knows His personal business, and does whatsoever He commands.

There's much more to servant, friend, son as truths that build upon themselves, which the same difference can be found in the purpose of God in this thread, regardless of the original and sincere intent in which it was posted.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

The use of the word friend over servant also brings into question who Jesus actually died for knowing Jesus called Judas both devil and friend ...
 
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Brother, beware against quoting the Lord out of context.

The following is the Lord's definition of friends:

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." --John 15:14

A friend to the Lord, is a servant who knows His personal business, and does whatsoever He commands.
And when one is in the back seat, how can one not do what He ask of us. This is why the commandments are not burdensome.
 
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There's much more to servant, friend, son as truths that build upon themselves, which the same difference can be found in the purpose of God in this thread, regardless of the original and sincere intent in which it was posted.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

The use of the word friend over servant also brings into question who Jesus actually died for knowing Jesus called Judas both devil and friend ...
I sincerely appreciate your comments, brother, I find them very profound, thank you.
 
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And when one is in the back seat, how can one not do what He ask of us. This is why the commandments are not burdensome.
Brother, I understand what you're driving at (pardon the pun), but the truth is that we are not in the back seat of anything with Christ, we are actually following Him, like He says we are.

We follow Him, we don't ride with Him, if we did ride with Him, He would've said so, but He said that we must follow Him, which denotes that we must choose to stay the course He's on, which requires our obedience to Him.

The Lord's parables spell this out: we cannot go our own way, and claim to follow the Lord, it's His way, or the wrong way.

When He tells us to stop and wait, we must, when He tells us to come and go, we must: we are the sheep, He is the Shepherd.

We must obey Him, in all that He says.

The analogy of riding in the back seat is not only against the Lord's analogies, but it undermines the very principle of His analogies.

We are to obey Him, everyday, all the time; and if we stray, He'll come calling after us, but if we run away, from His saving voice, how could He save us?

His sheep know His voice, and He loves them, and they love Him, and even when they get lost by temptation, He will never forsake them, not a single one: He will come looking for His beloved sheep, and His beloved sheep will return to Him, because they all know His voice. Those that are not His do not respond to His voice when they hear it, for they do not accept Him as their Master, but instead runaway from His call to repentance.

Obedience to our Shepherd is required for salvation, for there is no other voice that we must obey in order to be saved.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." --Hebrews 5:9

I hope this helped.

May God bless you.

Godspeed.
 
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The controversy is spelled out by the Lord:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." --Matthew 7:21-23

It is because there are so many who claim Messiah as Lord, but deny obedience to Him, that there is such a great controversy: this is a common theme amongst those who profess faith in Christ: this faith without works is the prevailing doctrine preached today; wherefore it is truly a matter of great controversy.
That’s sorta right, but not quite. The things that they claimed they were doing weren’t bad things. The problem was they thought works could save them. They ignored that it’s Christ’s work that saves them. So their good works were as filthy rags, which made them workers of lawlessness.

What is the work of God?

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
— John 6:29
This is where they fail. They said they knew Him. But here’s what is important.

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?
— Galatians 4:9
 
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A servant was someone who was simply told what to do. The servant was not aware as to why he was told do what he was to do. Just do it in obedience.

On the other hand.. A friend was someone who was confided in and was told the reasons why he was to do what he was told to do. His master would make a friend one with him in his plan.

Servants were to be dumb and obedient.

Friends were informed and educated as to why they were to do what they were told they needed to do.

Jesus stopped speaking in parables at one point. That was because they had become friends and He was able to inform them as to why they needed to do what He wanted them to do. When He spoke in parables they were "dumb" until he later explained what was meant.

Obedience alone is dumb. Being a friend is being made knowledgeable and informed and a part of the master's plan. If we wish to become friends of God we are to continuously keep growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word.

The obedient (dumb) simply want to be told what to do.. ritual and tradition. Never given understanding through knowledge as to the reasons why it needs to be done.

Friends are the ones who want to continue in learning more and more Bible doctrine as to become transformed in their minds in regards to knowing more and more the Mind of Christ. Having Hos thinking become their own way of thinking. Servants remain dumb and obedient without understanding much.

What I said is blunt to some. But, its the truth. For, any unbeliever can be religiously obedient to ritual and traditional thinking. It takes a friend of God to gain in insight and understanding based upon his desire for an ever growing knowledge from God's Word.

As Paul said... (note how gaining knowledge will lead to love abounding more and more in the Spirit)

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.
Philpns 1:9​


Religious obedience to church traditions and rituals can never bring one to becoming a friend of God.
 
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You are confusing what is called "positional truth" for experiential truth. What God declares has taken place is from God's perspective of seeing the past as being the future. We have been crucified with Christ. God sees us as already glorified, but our experience says otherwise. We must accept it by faith.

For example? Here is what I speak of. Its called "positional truth." Not experiential truth (truth what we actually experience in the here and now...

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the
heavenly realms in Christ Jesus."
Eph 2:6​

I guarantee you that your keyboard is not situated in heaven, though God says that's where we are.

God declares what is to be as already happening because God knows He can not fail to do what He says will be. The future can be the present to Him in His timelessness state of being..
I can't and won't buy in to man's wisdom.
My keyboard is of this world, and in this world Christ has control of the "wheel".
As Paul writes..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; but not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Gal 2:20)
What you call "positional", I call reality.
I walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh.
 
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Its always growing.


Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal,
but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me."
Philpns 3:12​

Did Paul say he had fully achieved? Tell me where he said that, please. For he admitted he was yet not fully where he was to be
The verse before this one, verse 11, says what he had not yet attained..."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
The resurrection of the dead was his goal.
Phil 3:21 says..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
The glorified body and resurrection were the things not yet achieved by Paul, or me.
 
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That’s sorta right, but not quite. The things that they claimed they were doing weren’t bad things.

The problem was they thought works could save them...
The "problem" was that they were still committing sin--iniquity while they falsely professed Christianity.
 
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The "problem" was that they were still committing sin--iniquity while they falsely professed Christianity.
What sin?
 
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I can't and won't buy in to man's wisdom.
My keyboard is of this world, and in this world Christ has control of the "wheel".
As Paul writes..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; but not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Gal 2:20)
What you call "positional", I call reality.
I walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh.

"Positional truth" is a theological term used to describe a reality for the believer. Keep in mind. The use of chapter numbers and verse numbers were an invention of men. What you would refer to as, "man's wisdom."

You make it sound like you are the only one receiving the benefits of the passages you refer to. That you are right, and we must all not be saved if we do not agree with you. For those passages do not apply to me as well.

That's not a good place to find oneself. Its being closed minded. Closed to admitting you have much to learn. At one point we all do.

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." 2 Cor 12:9

Inevitably we are all ignorant about various truths while yet needing to learn them. Those who deny it, ironically keep themselves stuck in it.

God's grace will make us to become wise in wisdom and truth if we can drop our defense mechanisms that we use when our pride is hurt. Its why Jesus said, that to follow Him we must deny self and take up our own cross. It hurts. Its like dying to our self that must die if Christ is to take what dies place. He was the Word made flesh. He wants us to do likewise... Pride vs Grace.

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That’s sorta right, but not quite. The things that they claimed they were doing weren’t bad things. The problem was they thought works could save them. They ignored that it’s Christ’s work that saves them. So their good works were as filthy rags, which made them workers of lawlessness.

What is the work of God?

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
— John 6:29
This is where they fail. They said they knew Him. But here’s what is important.

But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?
— Galatians 4:9
If you can still maintain your position after reading the following, then I'd really like to hear it, thanks:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." --Matthew 25:31-46

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." --James 2:14-26

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." --John 3:36

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." --Hebrews 5:9

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." --1 John 2:4-5

Please keep in mind that I never said that religious works of piety are how someone gets saved, no, what I am saying, is that belief in Jesus Christ (Yehoshua Messiah) requires obedience to Him: this is called living faith, and it is the only faith through which God, by His grace, has chosen us to save.

I look forward to your response, thanks, and God bless.
 
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The verse before this one, verse 11, says what he had not yet attained..."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
The resurrection of the dead was his goal.
Phil 3:21 says..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
The glorified body and resurrection were the things not yet achieved by Paul, or me.

Yes... That's obtaining. We are only fooling ourselves if we think we are good enough as we are right now. The only thing we will be taking with us will be the knowledge of sound doctrine we were willing to learn and accept while still in a state of waiting to obtain physical perfection.

Rewards will be granted according to our storing of God's Word in abundance -gold, silver, and precious stones."

Those who live by their own opinions peppered with Scripture? Scriptures not yet understood? Are, "wood, hay, and stubble." All burned, and rewards denied. Denied as He was denied entrance of understanding. For He is the Word of God.

There are those who fight hard against those with something to tell them. Feeling threatened by someone possessing knowledge they feel they are not capable of learning. Feeling that way because they refuse to realize that God's grace would make them strong where they are naturally weak. It does not have to be that way. Its Pride vs Grace.

God's grace can give the average person a spiritual IQ of genius. After all. Everything contained in Scripture God intended to be understood by all wanting to learn. For once we are given our resurrection body its brain will dwarf the brain of Einstein. Many fail to see this. God wants that brain prepared and filled with Truth so He can trust us with the rewards He most desires to give us.

If we refuse grace now. It will end with God needing to refuse us rewards in eternity.

10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect,
that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus,

with eternal glory (rewards).

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,

we will also reign with him.
If we deny him,
he will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless,

he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
2 Cor 12:11-13

If we are faithless? Meaning, we lived by false doctrinal concepts? We are still saved. For He remains faithful, He can not disown Himself. For, as Eve was the same body of Adam? The Church being the Bride of Christ? Is the same body as the Lord's. He can not disown Himself. We can not lose our salvation.

But, we can lose our rewards that He so much wants to give us.


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If you can still maintain your position after reading the following, then I'd really like to hear it, thanks:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." --Matthew 25:31-46

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." --James 2:14-26

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." --John 3:36

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." --Hebrews 5:9

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." --1 John 2:4-5

Please keep in mind that I never said that religious works of piety are how someone gets saved, no, what I am saying, is that belief in Jesus Christ (Yehoshua Messiah) requires obedience to Him: this is called living faith, and it is the only faith through which God, by His grace, has chosen us to save.

I look forward to your response, thanks, and God bless.
If that’s your position, okay. But you can’t use Matt 7 to support it because those people were never saved.
 
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