Israel GOD'S time clock ?

Original Happy Camper · May 24, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So a person who just parrots everything I say, like a child does, wins an arguement in your opinion LOL? yeah, OK

You lost when you quit the discussion and went to personnel attack of a person. You could have just quit responding instead you made a derogatory statement about a fellow believer.

I do not have a problem of degrading belief systems but I do not degrade the individual that is posting as you did

Dave L · May 24, 2020

Douggg said:
You had wrote..."Israel is the Church". That is replacement theology, I think any rationale person would consider it as.

What both you and BAberean2 should do is start new threads to discuss positions, you and your faith groups hold.

Jesus IS Israel along with believers who are his body. We are the people called after his name.

Dave L · May 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Be specific. Jesus said learn a parable of the fig tree, which is definitely time clock specific, a particular generation. It is based on Israel, and Jerusalem in particular.

Jesus is the true vine.

BABerean2 · May 24, 2020

Douggg said:
Is Israel, God's time clock? The subject of this thread. Not "new covenant" faith group video advertisement about their doctrine. You are not on topic about is Israel, God's time clock?

In the Olivet discourse verses, Jesus applies to Israel, (1) near term, (2) long term, and (3) in the latter days, end times. Yes, Israel is God's time clock.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in the verse below, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Who was Peter talking to in the verse above, if he was not talking to Israel?

In Romans 11 Paul used the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of a remnant of faithful Israelites, and faithful Gentiles grafted together into the same Olive Tree. In the passage Paul still considered himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion.

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith".

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

Who was James talking to above, if he was not talking to faithful Israel?

Therefore, faithful Israel and the New Covenant Church cannot be separated.

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keras · May 24, 2020

Douggg said:
The huge problem with replacement theology doctrine is that the prophecies regarding Israel a nation again have been fulfilled. Israel is in the news every day.

Israel is God's time clock.

Saying that people who refuse to place the current Jewish State of Israel as the people of God, but who say only those who are born again believers are the true Israelites of God, are 'Replacement Theologists', is a rude and totally unscriptural accusation.
Jesus did prophecy the re-establishment of the Jews in the holy Land. The 'fig tree' has budded and also note; that they do not bear fruit, as Jesus also prophesied. Matthew 21:19
Israel should have been named Judah, as ben Gurion wanted, but it was the Americans who insisted they call themselves Israel. This wrong appellation has resulted in your, and many others; confusion.

There is no doubt that Israel is a nation of unbelievers, who never trust God for their safety. It is in fact; a Satanic construct, his fake synagogue as Revelation 3:9 plainly states.
Many prophesies tell us that in the forthcoming Lords Day of fiery wrath, they will be gone and only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

Yeshua HaDerekh · May 24, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
You lost when you quit the discussion and went to personnel attack of a person. You could have just quit responding instead you made a derogatory statement about a fellow believer.

I do not have a problem of degrading belief systems but I do not degrade the individual that is posting as you did

I did not quit, but I am not going to waste my time with someone who has no responses other than to parrot every point I make. 3rd graders do that...just as I said

Broken Fence · May 24, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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You use Scripture like that if you want too. God doesn't change He still has planes for the Hebrew people of Israel He will come and rescue them at second coming when all nations are gathered against them.

BABerean2 · May 24, 2020

Cbowles said:
You use Scripture like that if you want too. God doesn't change He still has planes for the Hebrew people of Israel He will come and rescue them at second coming when all nations are gathered against them.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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jgr · May 24, 2020

Douggg said:
It appears to me, that replacement theology holders can not distinguish prophecy details, even after fulfillment. Israel a nation again.

Here's your Israel.

Every person on the planet.

Confirmed by "Israelites" themselves.

Repudiated by Scripture (Galatians 3:7,9,16,28,29).

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Abraham lineage
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Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Douggg · May 25, 2020

jgr said:
Here's your Israel.

Every person on the planet.

Confirmed by "Israelites" themselves.

That argument is obtuse from the start. Let's say you have blood type A+. And I have blood type A+. That means I am your father?

A Jew is someone who's mother is a Jew. Jesus was a Jew because His mother Mary was a Jew.

Dave L · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
It appears to me, that replacement theology holders can not distinguish prophecy details, even after fulfillment. Israel a nation again.

When Jesus abolished circumcision, physical Jews were no longer biblical Jews, they were Jews only in the religious sense they adhered to Pharisaic Judaism. Paul used himself as an example of as broken off Jew grafted back into Israel by faith in Christ. Half of your theory has nothing to base itself on.

BABerean2 · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
A Jew is someone who's mother is a Jew. Jesus was a Jew because His mother Mary was a Jew.

If you were correct the lineage of the tribe of Judah would have stopped with Ruth, who was a Gentile, who married Boaz, whose mother was a Gentile.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in the verse below. All genealogies after that do not matter. In Galatians 3:16 the Apostle Paul said Christ is the one seed of Abraham to whom the promise was made.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Douggg · May 25, 2020

BABerean2 said:
If you were correct the lineage of the tribe of Judah would have stopped with Ruth, who was a Gentile, who married Boaz, whose mother was a Gentile.

Tribal affiliation goes by the father. The twelve tribes in the exodus were to assemble themselves according to their fathers.

BABerean2 said:
1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Replacement theology guys are the ones doing it in this thread, not me. You guys are the ones claiming that Israel over there is not Israel - and making all of the genealogy and obtuse arguments like DNA, not me. I haven't said one word in regards to genealogies, family trees.

I have been talking about Olivet discourse, and the parable of the fig tree.

Israel is God's time clock. But you guys don't like that because it conflicts with all the faulty theology you have. So we get things like the Kelly Varner video promoting the new covenant faith group theology. Start your own threads - if you want to do that.

Douggg · May 25, 2020

Dave L said:
When Jesus abolished circumcision, physical Jews were no longer biblical Jews, they were Jews only in the religious sense they adhered to Pharisaic Judaism. Paul used himself as an example of as broken off Jew grafted back into Israel by faith in Christ. Half of your theory has nothing to base itself on.

Start you own thread about replacement theology. Jesus Himself gave the Olivet Discourse on near, long term, and latter day end times future of Israel. And Jesus said learn a parable about a fig tree. Based on Israel, Jerusalem, and the generation that would see His Return.

BABerean2 · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
Replacement theology guys are the ones doing it in this thread, not me. You guys are the ones claiming that Israel over there is not Israel - and making all of the genealogy and obtuse arguments like DNA, not me. I haven't said one word in regards to genealogies, family trees.

Who is replacing the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16?

Who is replacing the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?

Who is replacing the one people of God, with two peoples of God in John 10:16?

Who is replacing the faithful "remnant", with the Baal worshipers in Romans 11:1-5?

Who is replacing the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26?

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Douggg · May 25, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Who is replacing the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16?

Who is replacing the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?

Who is replacing the one people of God, with two peoples of God in John 10:16?

Who is replacing the faithful "remnant", with the Baal worshipers in Romans 11:1-5?

Who is replacing the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26?

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....more replacement theology arguments. Start your own thread.

Dave L · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
Start you own thread about replacement theology. Jesus Himself gave the Olivet Discourse on near, long term, and latter day end times future of Israel. And Jesus said learn a parable about a fig tree. Based on Israel, Jerusalem, and the generation that would see His Return.

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“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

This is not replacement theology.

Dave L · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
Tribal affiliation goes by the father. The twelve tribes in the exodus were to assemble themselves according to their fathers.

Replacement theology guys are the ones doing it in this thread, not me. You guys are the ones claiming that Israel over there is not Israel - and making all of the genealogy and obtuse arguments like DNA, not me. I haven't said one word in regards to genealogies, family trees.

I have been talking about Olivet discourse, and the parable of the fig tree.

Israel is God's time clock. But you guys don't like that because it conflicts with all the faulty theology you have. So we get things like the Kelly Varner video promoting the new covenant faith group theology. Start your own threads - if you want to do that.

You base everything you say on a non-existant gap the Jesuits imported into Daniel to deceive protestants.

Broken Fence · May 25, 2020

BABerean2 said:
1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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In Christ
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I move
I give

Him my light
My soul
My heart
I grow

jgr · May 25, 2020

Douggg said:
....more replacement theology arguments. Start your own thread.

The choice:

1. Scripture which teaches replacement theology.
2. Dispensationalism which espouses replacement biology.

Easy decision.

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