What's the meaning of 1st Maccabees?

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1st & 2nd Maccabees are historical documents, canonized by Roman Catholics, but rejected by Protestants. For us protestants it is historical information that helps bridge the gap between Malachi and Matthew.

If there is any spiritual significance, you will have to wait for one of the Catholics to answer your question.
 
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1st & 2nd Maccabees are historical documents, canonized by Roman Catholics, but rejected by Protestants. For us protestants it is historical information that helps bridge the gap between Malachi and Matthew.

If there is any spiritual significance, you will have to wait for one of the Catholics to answer your question.
Why do you reject it though?
 
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Why do you reject it though?
First of all, I had nothing to do with the canon of Scriptures. I simply meant that the apocrypha are not included in the Protestant Bible.

However, I have read both 1st and 2nd Maccabees and many other of the Apocryphal documents. If you are born again and Spirit filled, you can sense the presence of the Holy Spirit when reading his inspired works. Those books lack any sense of the inspiration. Nonetheless, I regard them as still valuable for understanding the thinking of the people in those times.
 
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First of all, I had nothing to do with the canon of Scriptures. I simply meant that the apocrypha are not included in the Protestant Bible.

However, I have read both 1st and 2nd Maccabees and many other of the Apocryphal documents. If you are born again and Spirit filled, you can sense the presence of the Holy Spirit when reading his inspired works. Those books lack any sense of the inspiration. Nonetheless, I regard them as still valuable for understanding the thinking of the people in those times.

This is a bad criterion for determining what is sacred scripture. Mormons use the same logic with regards to the book of Mormon.
 
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1st & 2nd Maccabees are historical documents, canonized by Roman Catholics, but rejected by Protestants. For us protestants it is historical information that helps bridge the gap between Malachi and Matthew.

If there is any spiritual significance, you will have to wait for one of the Catholics to answer your question.

you realize that you are in the Orthodox subforum on here, and he asked the Orthodox?
 
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1st & 2nd Maccabees are historical documents, canonized by Roman Catholics, but rejected by Protestants. For us protestants it is historical information that helps bridge the gap between Malachi and Matthew.

If there is any spiritual significance, you will have to wait for one of the Catholics to answer your question.
This thread was posted in the Eastern Orthodox subforum.
 
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This is a bad criterion for determining what is sacred scripture. Mormons use the same logic with regards to the book of Mormon.

indeed, practically every Mormon missionary's (at least those that came to me) great defense was a sense of peace at reading the Book of Mormon and praying.
 
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This is a bad criterion for determining what is sacred scripture. Mormons use the same logic with regards to the book of Mormon.
Sensing the Spirit is not logic, but experience. If you try to understand Holy Writ by logic, you are using a bad criteria. Mormons do not have the new birth.

1Co 2:14 Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
 
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you realize that you are in the Orthodox subforum on here, and he asked the Orthodox?
My mistake. I did not know that Maccabees is in the Orthodox writ as well.

However, my advice to him still remains. If he wants to understand the spiritual point of view that the Orthodox see in the text, then he will get that answer from them. I merely said it is not in Protestant Bibles, I did not make the canon of the Protestant Bible, but I have read those documents and had no sense of the Holy Spirit in my reading.
 
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This thread was posted in the Eastern Orthodox subforum.
Yes, another has pointed that out. I said nothing against either Catholic or Orthodox views, only that they are the ones who can explain the spiritual pov in those books.
 
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My mistake. I did not know that Maccabees is in the Orthodox writ as well.

However, my advice to him still remains. If he wants to understand the spiritual point of view that the Orthodox see in the text, then he will get that answer from them. I merely said it is not in Protestant Bibles, I did not make the canon of the Protestant Bible, but I have read those documents and had no sense of the Holy Spirit in my reading.

no worries.
 
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Sensing the Spirit is not logic, but experience. If you try to understand Holy Writ by logic, you are using a bad criteria. Mormons do not have the new birth.

1Co 2:14 Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.

Emotion can never be what we base the true Faith on. As Jeremiah said, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?”
 
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