30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

Strong in Him · May 23, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
If the NIV said this, you or somebody else would no doubt try to use this against me. Seeing it does not favor your position, you will of course not see that it is a problem.

I'm not using anything against YOU.
You have posted a long thread trying to prove that the KJV is perfect; some of us are trying to show you that it's not, although still being God's word and a translation that many find very helpful.
You cannot even concede that about other Bibles - even though you use them to try to understand the KJV. As we said, it's not written in today's language.

JSRG · May 23, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Yes it does. 1 John 5:7 is the only verse in the Bible that point blank tells me about the Trinity.
If a person was isolated in a jungle or island with a Modern Translation for a year or two, and they knew nothing of Christianity, they would have a hard time understanding the Trinity (Unless they had a King James Bible).

Given that Steven Avery, one of the most strident KJVOs on the Internet (and ergo defender of the inclusion of 1 John 5:7) is not a Trinitarian, I am rather dubious of this claim.

Isilwen · May 23, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Well then, you don't know your Bible very well.

There is ONE God.
God is Father; Jesus always called God "my Father" and taught us to do the same.
God is Son; Jesus was accused of blasphemy and almost stoned because he claimed to be God, John 5:18, John 10:33. He used the name of God revealed to Moses - I AM, Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 14:6, John 15:1, John 11:25.
God is Spirit, John 4:24. All through the OT we read about the Spirit of the Lord. Jesus told his disciples that the Spirit knows the things of God and will make them known to them.

The Father is eternal, Genesis 1:1, Revelation 1:8. He created the world and was there in the beginning.
The Son is eternal, John 1:1-2, Colossians 1:15, Hebrews 1:3, John 17:5, Revelation 1:17-18.
The Spirit is eternal, was present at creation and gave life to mankind, Genesis 1:3, Genesis 2:7.

All 3 members of the Trinity are involved in our salvation; we have sinned against the Father, Jesus is the only way to the Father, John 14:6, and came to reconcile us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, Romans 5:11, and the Spirit draws us to Jesus, causes us to be born again, John 3:3 and assures us that we are God's children, John 1:12, Romans 8:16.

In Genesis 1:26 God said "Let US make man in OUR image". The word for God used here is plural. In Genesis 11:7 he said "let US go down and confuse their language". In Isaiah 6:8 God said, "whom shall I send and who will go for US?"
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus told his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Paul blessed the church at Corinth in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 13:4.

Those verses are just off the top of my head, without doing an in-depth study.
Seriously, if you rely on ONE verse to teach you an important doctrine, you don't understand the Bible very well.

No they wouldn't, because of the verse that I have posted above, and others.
You may prefer to believe that the KJV is the only Bible that shows, and teaches, that there is one God in 3 persons - but it's not.

John 8:48-59

Jesus’ Claims About Himself

(NIV): 48 The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
49 “I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”
52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”
54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Who does God say He is when Moses asks for a name?

Strong in Him · May 23, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Well, God was perfectly capable of translating different languages in Acts 2.
Not sure why you would think He is not capable of doing so anymore.

The disciples spoke in different languages in Acts 2.
God spoke to the prophets in the language they could understand - Hebrew. God the Son spoke Aramaic and the NT was written in Greek. At some point the books of the Bible were compiled into one book and it was translated into Latin, and maybe other languages, before being translated into English.
The KJV was not even the first English translation.

Radagast · May 23, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Modern Versions not only water down doctrine (like the deity of Christ, the blood atonement, the incarnation, holy living, etc.), but they also attack key important doctrines like the Trinity (1 John 5:7), the 1 John 4:3 test, the real truth about not being condemned in Christ Jesus in Roman 8:1, and other doctrines. Certain NT commands are changed in Modern Translations. Modern Translations make Jesus appear to sin. Modern Translations have the devil's name in the place of Christ and other holy things.

All these statements are utterly false.

Bible Highlighter · May 23, 2020

Radagast said:
All these statements are utterly false.

Uh huh. Right. So like where else do you see the Trinity described clearly as it is described in 1 John 5:7. Do you have another verse that says that these three are one? Also, denying 1 John 4:3 in the KJV is a denial of the Incarnation. That is what the test is really about.

Bible Highlighter · May 23, 2020

Strong in Him said:
The disciples spoke in different languages in Acts 2.
God spoke to the prophets in the language they could understand - Hebrew. God the Son spoke Aramaic and the NT was written in Greek. At some point the books of the Bible were compiled into one book and it was translated into Latin, and maybe other languages, before being translated into English.

And your point is?

You said:
The KJV was not even the first English translation.

What does that have to do with anything?
God can provide a perfect translation in English later on after other English translations.

Isilwen · May 23, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
God can provide a perfect translation in English later on after other English translations.

Ding ding ding, now he gets it!

Strong in Him · May 24, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
And your point is?

You said that God translated languages in Acts 2.
I said that he gave the disciples the ability to speak different languages. The bystanders each heard them speaking in their own language - no translation required.

My point? You are wrong.

Bible Highlighter said:
What does that have to do with anything?
God can provide a perfect translation in English later on after other English translations.

But he hasn't.
The word of God - the true, holy word of God - was around and available long before the KJV was even thought of. People were being converted, filled with the Spirit, becoming children of God, believing in the Trinity, speaking in tongues, healing the sick and teaching the Christian faith to others long before the KJV came on the scene.

Strong in Him · May 24, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Uh huh. Right. So like where else do you see the Trinity described clearly as it is described in 1 John 5:7.

Yet this verse is NOT the only one that describes the Trinity - as you have been shown.
Your mythical man on his desert island could easily learn that God is 1 in 3 and 3 in 1 by reading other translations of the Bible.

Besides, 1 John 5:7-8 talks about the Spirit, the water and the blood being in agreement, not the Father, the Son and the Spirit being one.

Bible Highlighter said:
Also, denying 1 John 4:3 in the KJV is a denial of the Incarnation. That is what the test is really about.

1 John 4:3 appears in every Bible.

robycop3 · May 24, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Uh huh. Right. So like where else do you see the Trinity described clearly as it is described in 1 John 5:7. Do you have another verse that says that these three are one? Also, denying 1 John 4:3 in the KJV is a denial of the Incarnation. That is what the test is really about.

In the four accounts of Jesus' baptism, we see all three Members of the HT manifest, physically separate from one another, each plainly Divine.

Butch5 · May 24, 2020

The KJV isn't divinely inspired because there are NT quotes in the KJV that don't match what we find in the KJV OT.

Broken Fence · May 24, 2020

JSRG said:
It would be quite incredible for them to kill the Waldensians in 400 AD considering the Waldensians were founded in the 12th century.

To be fair, the Waldensians were persecuted pretty hard after they were founded, but it was because they were deemed heretics for rejecting various Catholic beliefs, not due to them having copies of the Bible.

George Lamas's translation? If these reviews in scholarly journals are any indication, it's not a good translation at all, and especially falls short of its claims of being a translation from the "Ancient Eastern Text."

Oh thank for clearing that up.

Bible Highlighter · May 25, 2020

@Cbowles

Thank you for the "likes," brother.

May you and your family be greatly blessed.

Broken Fence · May 25, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
@Cbowles

Thank you for the "likes," brother.

May you and your family be greatly blessed.

Sure thanks for the info. May you and yours be chillin and willin in Jesus's kingdom brother.

kiwimac · May 25, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Uh huh. Right. So like where else do you see the Trinity described clearly as it is described in 1 John 5:7. Do you have another verse that says that these three are one? Also, denying 1 John 4:3 in the KJV is a denial of the Incarnation. That is what the test is really about.

Rot and nonsense. 1 John 5:7 is a scribal gloss.

Bible Highlighter · May 25, 2020

Cbowles said:
Sure thanks for the info. May you and yours be chillin and willin in Jesus's kingdom brother.

Thank you. It is wonderful that we can accept the following truths, brother.

“I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.” (Psalms 119:162).

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

6 “The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
(Psalms 12:6-7).

Strong in Him · May 26, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Thank you. It is wonderful that we can accept the following truths, brother.

“I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.” (Psalms 119:162).

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

6 “The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
(Psalms 12:6-7).

But what you don't seem to understand is that those of us who read the NIV, and other versions, also rejoice in God's word. You seem to believe that unless a person can declare that there is an English translation of the Bible which is is textually and grammatically perfect - i.e the KJV - that person does not have, read or know the word of God.
That is incorrect.

We are all Christians - saved, born again (I hope), children of God, filled with his Spirit, reading, learning, studying his word and serving him.
If a Christian always reads the KJV translation - great.
If someone was saved through the NIV translation and always reads it - fantastic.
Neither one of these is greater, or more spiritual, than the other. It is not only those who read the KJV and agree with you who are worthy of being called your "brothers".
There will be people in heaven who read nothing but the KJV, and there will be people in heaven who never read/didn't like the KJV.

robycop3 · May 26, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Thank you. It is wonderful that we can accept the following truths, brother.

“I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.” (Psalms 119:162).

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

6 “The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
(Psalms 12:6-7).

Same verses are in every valid translation.

And you've been shown POSITIVE PROOF that the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" is false, but you keep repeating it anyway !

Bible Highlighter · May 26, 2020

I love God's Word (the KJV).
Others may doubt, but that is on them.

Peace and blessings be unto you all.

30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

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