LDS Mormons Take Satan's Deception From Genesis

mmksparbud · May 22, 2020

Peter1000 said:
I agree that Jesus can become invisible when he wishes to, but his general form is visible.

And for all those that believe God is made up of 3 Persons, you cannot say that Jesus is God, because he is only 1/3 of God. The other 2/3 being God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
So the best you can say as a trinitarian is that God is God.

If you say Jesus is God then you have to admit that there are 2 other Gods, which I am sure you are not willing to admit.

For members of the Church of Jesus Christ, we can say with out a problem that Jesus is God, because he is one of 3 Gods that make up the Godhead. So Jesus is God and God his Father is God and the Holy Ghost is God, all 3 are Gods, each one is God.

But if all 3 are in 1 God, then you cannot say Jesus is God because your God is made up of 3 Persons, not just Jesus. You can say that Jesus is a Person of the triune God. This would be appropriate, but not "Jesus is God", because according to you he is not the sum-total of your God.

Now it's His general form you want to know, before it was if Jesus is invisible. He is what He wants to be. He prefers to be visible to His angels and to the fallen worlds and Jesus will most certainly be visible to us in the New World. They are one---God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit---One God. It is something we will not be privy to until after the resurrection. You are trying to understand something that we can not---ONE GOD, FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. there is no explanation---only fools try to explain what in not explainable.
JESUS IS GOD!!! Get it through your heard!! This is why you have no concept of the true Jesus!! You serve a false Godhead!!

Peter1000 · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
Yes, but unfortunately we seem to have a disagreement over what those promises entail, in terms of specifics.

I believe the Book of Mormon specifics are not in keeping with the Bible. But the specifics provided by The Book of Revelation does keep with the Bible.

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The specifics of this scripture (2 Peter 1:3-4) is very specific, that is why is it uncomfortable to you. The specifics are:
God, by his divine powers gives us all that we need that pertains to life and godliness.
God promises us if we use this godliness and overcome the corruption of the world, he will give us His divine nature.

This is pure Mormon doctrine straight out of the Bible. It could not get any more specific for its readers than this. Man may become just like God is. And this is only 1 of many scriptures that are very specific as to this doctrine.

I agree, the BOM is not as specific in this doctrine as the Bible is.

How does the Book of Revelations add to what Peter has said that would be more specific?

Peter1000 · May 22, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Now it's His general form you want to know, before it was if Jesus is invisible. He is what He wants to be. He prefers to be visible to His angels and to the fallen worlds and Jesus will most certainly be visible to us in the New World. They are one---God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit---One God. It is something we will not be privy to until after the resurrection. You are trying to understand something that we can not---ONE GOD, FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. there is no explanation---only fools try to explain what in not explainable.
JESUS IS GOD!!! Get it through your heard!! This is why you have no concept of the true Jesus!! You serve a false Godhead!!

What you do not understand yet, is that I believe Jesus is God. But you cannot, because your God is not made up of just Jesus Christ. For you, Jesus is just 1 of 3 Persons in God.

Therefore, to you, Jesus is not God, because you believe he is 1 of 3 Persons in God.

Your God is not Jesus. Your God is Jesus, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. If you say Jesus is God, are you saying that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are not God, or did you just forget to mention them?

Peter1000 · May 22, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Uh, it is based on your perceptions, not the perceptions of someone else who might be in heaven.

We rely on Faith which is this

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

How are you going to convince a newbie of a Christ he has not seen?

How would even JS try to convince you Mormons of a supposed Christ and a separate Heavenly Father who you have not seen?

Just remember the words of Jesus to Thomas:
John 20:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

This still does not prove that Jesus is literally invisible. He is invisible to people on earth for the moment, because he is in heaven. But when we get to heaven, you will see him as he is, which is not invisible.

Again, here we are arguing a stupid point. So again, this will be my last response to the invisibility of God. Final word: Jesus is God, but he is not invisible.

He is the way · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
Those scriptures do not mean anything close to what Mormonism teaches. The way you interpret them is completely contrary to everything that the Holy Spirit represents. We are partakers of the divine nature in that we have been called out of sin and will be made Holy even as He is Holy. And the precious promises is everlasting life and fellowship with God. Such beautiful passages have nothing to do with being a god over our own planet!

The writings of that charlatan takes what the Bible teaches and perverts it to mean something that is not in keeping with the truth. That man was a scammer and well known as a compulsive liar who from an early age was always trying to take advantage of people and manipulate others for personal gain.

Let me know when that temple in Missouri gets built.

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 36)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Peter1000 · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
Speaking of the Book of Revelation, notice that the last few chapters, when the New Jerusalem is unveiled, show no trace of the wild and wacky teachings of the Book of Mormon. No new planets, celestial sex, promotions to God, etc.

And since the Book of Revelation didn't cover it, Mr. Smith is in trouble. Why? "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.. and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from The Book of Life and the holy city and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

I challenge you to show me in the BOM where it has wacky teachings on:
1) new planets
2) celestial sex
3) promotions to God
4) where it tells about Brigham Young bringing the people to Salt Lake City.

Anyone can write a book and not be adding to the book or revelation that John wrote. You are aware that John wrote his prophecy, and then at the end of his prophecy he wrote that anyone that adds to or takes away from this prophecy, bad things will happen.

JS has no intention of adding or taking away from John's prophecy even though he translated the BOM. That does not add to John's prophecy. OH, I see, you think Johns prophecy being the last book of the Bible means that anyone that adds or takes away from the whole Bible bad things will happen to them. On this point you would be mistaken, because the first round of putting the scriptures together, Revelations was not even part of it. It came much later in the 4th century. and besides John wrote 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John after he wrote Revelations, so according to you, he is adding to his own prophecy and is going to be out.

So you are telling me that the book of Revelation does not add anything to our conversation about 2 Peter 1:3-4? Which I was hoping you would respond to. I guess not.

He is the way · May 22, 2020

Peter1000 said:
And I would agree, but to make a blanket statement that God is invisible is not true, would you agree?

Yes:

(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

He is the way · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
Speaking of the Book of Revelation, notice that the last few chapters, when the New Jerusalem is unveiled, show no trace of the wild and wacky teachings of the Book of Mormon. No new planets, celestial sex, promotions to God, etc.

And since the Book of Revelation didn't cover it, Mr. Smith is in trouble. Why? "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.. and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from The Book of Life and the holy city and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

Also found in the Old Testament:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 4:2)

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Sam81 · May 22, 2020

Peter1000 said:
If you are not trying to offend, I would hate to see what you would write if you were trying to offend.

So I see what the Apostolics say and I know what we say, but I asked a question about what you say, and you did not answer. So here it is again:

You say that Jesus and God were reunited. Does this mean that they were separated for a time while Jesus was on earth, and now he is going to be absorbed back into the Father again?

Please answer, then I will see how you interpret this crucial scripture. Thanks.

Interpret? I believe what it says at face value and I don't speculate. Jesus said that He had glory with the Father in the beginning and was returning there. I believe it along with everything else the Bible says. I don't speculate. And I don't believe a word of what Mormonism teaches because it's not in the Bible. It really is that simple.

Someone with an imagination could add some things to the Bible, but if the Bible itself doesn't teach it, I reject it. The Bible and the Bible alone is the source for all truth.

Needless to say, I don't believe the Book of Mormon to be "the most correct book".

mmksparbud · May 22, 2020

Peter1000 said:
What you do not understand yet, is that I believe Jesus is God. But you cannot, because your God is not made up of just Jesus Christ. For you, Jesus is just 1 of 3 Persons in God.

Therefore, to you, Jesus is not God, because you believe he is 1 of 3 Persons in God.

Your God is not Jesus. Your God is Jesus, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. If you say Jesus is God, are you saying that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are not God, or did you just forget to mention them?

I have clearly said over and over and over----ONE GOD!!! JESUS,THE SON AND GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. One God. You don't have that truth---you have 3 Gods. I told you---only fools try to comprehend what is not ours to comprehend-- yet!!! ONE GOD---PERIOD.
I've repeated it till I'm blue in the face! JESUS IS GOD! THE FATHER IS GOD. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD! ONE GOD!

Sam81 · May 22, 2020

Peter1000 said:
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The specifics of this scripture (2 Peter 1:3-4) is very specific, that is why is it uncomfortable to you. The specifics are:
God, by his divine powers gives us all that we need that pertains to life and godliness.
God promises us if we use this godliness and overcome the corruption of the world, he will give us His divine nature.

This is pure Mormon doctrine straight out of the Bible. It could not get any more specific for its readers than this. Man may become just like God is. And this is only 1 of many scriptures that are very specific as to this doctrine.

I agree, the BOM is not as specific in this doctrine as the Bible is.

How does the Book of Revelations add to what Peter has said that would be more specific?

Godliness is a moral virtue, and the divine nature pertains to eternal life...it has nothing to do with being God of your own world where you impregnate women and have lots of little spirit babies. That's quite a leap.

He is the way · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
Godliness is a moral virtue, and the divine nature pertains to eternal life...it has nothing to do with being God of your own world where you impregnate women and have lots of little spirit babies. That's quite a leap.

Where is it in our doctrine "where you impregnate women and have lots of little spirit babies." Are you trying to tell us what we believe? We do not know how spirit children are created by our heavenly parents and neither do you.

Sam81 · May 22, 2020

He is the way said:
Where is it in our doctrine "where you impregnate women and have lots of little spirit babies." Are you trying to tell us what we believe? We do not know how spirit children are created by our heavenly parents and neither do you.

JSs trilogy is full of all manner of wacko ideas. And mormon leaders since then have added more. If it's not in the Bible it's not to be believed.

There are no spirit children created by heavenly parents. No other planets. Satan and Jesus are not brothers. Men do not become God. Mormonism is rubbish.

He is the way · May 22, 2020

Sam81 said:
JSs trilogy is full of all manner of wacko ideas. And mormon leaders since then have added more. If it's not in the Bible it's not to be believed.

There are no spirit children created by heavenly parents. No other planets. Satan and Jesus are not brothers. Men do not become God. Mormonism is rubbish.

I believe in the Bible:

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:8 - 10)

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 2)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

(Old Testament | Job 2:1)

1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jamesone5 · May 23, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Just remember the words of Jesus to Thomas:
John 20:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

This still does not prove that Jesus is literally invisible. He is invisible to people on earth for the moment, because he is in heaven. But when we get to heaven, you will see him as he is, which is not invisible.

Again, here we are arguing a stupid point. So again, this will be my last response to the invisibility of God. Final word: Jesus is God, but he is not invisible.

Oh, I think it is a valid point, because you are picking and choosing between what verses you will believe in.

Seems like you Mormons want to cancel out this verse in your Bibles in you construct of a Christ is supposedly seen:

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Jamesone5 · May 23, 2020

Peter1000 said:
,
The specifics of this scripture (2 Peter 1:3-4) is very specific, that is why is it uncomfortable to you. The specifics are:
God, by his divine powers gives us all that we need that pertains to life and godliness.

This is pure Mormon doctrine straight out of the Bible. It could not get any more specific for its readers than this. Man may become just like God is. And this is only 1 of many scriptures that are very specific as to this doctrine.

I agree, the BOM is not as specific in this doctrine as the Bible is.

How does the Book of Revelations add to what Peter has said that would be more specific?

This how satan has put the wool over your eyes in telling you that you can "be like God" as the OP points out. You claimed this:

God promises us if we use this godliness and overcome the corruption of the world, he will give us His divine nature.---Peter1000

But then the verse you quoted says this:

2 Peter 1:3-4
as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Partakers of the divine nature is not the same as being given His divine nature.

Sam81 · May 23, 2020

He is the way said:
I believe in the Bible:

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:8 - 10)

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 2)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

(Old Testament | Job 2:1)

1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

None of those verses have anything whatsoever to do with what Mormonism teaches. It is an incredible stretch of the imagination and one would have to take incredible liberties to see it as such. The problem is that you foolishly look at those verses through the lens of what your false religion teaches, whereas I have no such presuppositions to the biblical text, because I believe the Book of Mormon + DC/PGP to be lying, accursed trash.

He is the way · May 23, 2020

Sam81 said:
None of those verses have anything whatsoever to do with what Mormonism teaches. It is an incredible stretch of the imagination and one would have to take incredible liberties to see it as such. The problem is that you foolishly look at those verses through the lens of what your false religion teaches, whereas I have no such presuppositions to the biblical text, because I believe the Book of Mormon + DC/PGP to be lying, accursed trash.

NO, the problem is that you foolishly look at those verses through the lens of what your religion teaches. Those scriptures are plain enough and there are more scriptures like these:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:3 - 11)

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

(New Testament | Philippians 3:12 - 15)

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Paul knew.

Peter1000 · May 23, 2020

mmksparbud said:
I have clearly said over and over and over----ONE GOD!!! JESUS,THE SON AND GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. One God. You don't have that truth---you have 3 Gods. I told you---only fools try to comprehend what is not ours to comprehend-- yet!!! ONE GOD---PERIOD.
I've repeated it till I'm blue in the face! JESUS IS GOD! THE FATHER IS GOD. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD! ONE GOD!

You are making a definite statement. The ONE GOD is made up of Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. OK, I get that. So your ONE GOD goes to the cross. So according to you, Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit all went to the cross in the form of the ONE GOD.

OK, I get it.

Sam81 · May 23, 2020

He is the way said:
NO, the problem is that you foolishly look at those verses through the lens of what your religion teaches. Those scriptures are plain enough and there are more scriptures like these:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:3 - 11)

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

(New Testament | Philippians 3:12 - 15)

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Paul knew.

Yes, Paul knew. And he warned us.

"...there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..." Galatians 1:7-8

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons," 1st Timothy 4:1

The idea that we can be as God is quite literally a doctrine of devils.

"For you (Lucifer) have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" Isaiah 14:13

Those versus you keep quoting pertain to holiness and perfection. Only God is God. God clearly states:

“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
11I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10

"Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” Isaiah 44:8

Needless to say, Joseph Smith is a liar.

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