Hades Is A Real Place of Torment and Agony

Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
It is an Expectation of Their Future Punishment :

"And when that vision is so near, as They See The Terrible And Excessively Glowing Spectacle Of The Fire, They Shudder In Horror At The Expectation Of The Future Judgment, (as if they were) Already Feeling The Power Of Their Punishment."

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Sorry there are no second chances after death. One verse says this plain and simple, all other verses you twist out of context. Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
Sorry there are no second chances after death. One verse says this plain and simple, all other verses you twist out of context. Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

People are Conscious while they are in Hades.

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
People are Conscious while they are in Hades.

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It says DEAD. not conscious. Hades also means grave.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
It says DEAD. not conscious. Hades also means grave.

"But now we must speak of Hades, in which "The Souls" Both Of The Righteous And The Unrighteous Are Detained."

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
"But now we must speak of Hades, in which The Souls Both Of The Righteous And The Unrighteous Are Detained."

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Yes I just told you HADES means GRAVE. SOULS are in the grave with the body.

agapelove · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
Sorry there are no second chances after death. One verse says this plain and simple, all other verses you twist out of context. Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

You have built your entire hopeless theology off 1 verse out of 31,102. Of course men only die once, of course we are judged after death. Here is another verse for you to consider: Romans 8:38-39, since you love one-liners.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
It is an Expectation of Their Future Punishment : "And when that vision is so near, as They See The Terrible And Excessively Glowing Spectacle Of The Fire, They Shudder In Horror At The Expectation Of The Future Judgment, (as if they were) Already Feeling The Power Of Their Punishment."

I think our disagreement lies in the fact that I do not worship a sadistic god, nor do I hold the words of men equal to scripture. If you are so fascinated with Hades I would suggest taking your research beyond parables and Youtube videos.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

agapelove said:
You have built your entire hopeless theology off 1 verse out of 31,102. Of course men only die once, of course we are judged after death. Here is another verse for you to consider: Romans 8:38-39, since you love one-liners.

I think our disagreement lies in the fact that I do not worship a sadistic god, nor do I hold the words of men equal to scripture. If you are so fascinated with Hades I would suggest taking your research beyond a parable.

I'm In The Lord Jesus Christ's Church and the gates of Hades will Not prevail against it.

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church,
and the gates of Hades shall Not prevail against it.
• Matthew 16:18

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

agapelove said:
You have built your entire hopeless theology off 1 verse out of 31,102. Of course men only die once, of course we are judged after death. Here is another verse for you to consider: Romans 8:38-39, since you love one-liners.

Not sure what your point here is of Romans 8:38-39?

agapelove · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
Not sure what your point here is of Romans 8:38-39?

Poor Andre, the point you are missing is the point of the Gospels.

Romans 8 Neither death, nor life, shall be able to separate us from the love of God.

1 Corinthians 13 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

Show me again where you see "no hope after death" in Scripture?

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Another Quote from Saint Hippolytus :

• Saint Hippolytus of Rome - Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus -
Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical - Against Plato, on the Cause of the Universe - 197 - 2.
(170–235 A.D.)

ANF5 Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus. Part II

2. "Thus far, then, on the subject of Hades, in which "The Souls" Of All Are Detained Until The Time Which God Has Determined; and then He will accomplish A Resurrection Of All, Not By Transferring Souls Into Other Bodies, But By Raising The Bodies Themselves."

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
I'm In The Lord Jesus Christ's Church and the gates of Hades will Not prevail against it.

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church,
and the gates of Hades shall Not prevail against it.
• Matthew 16:18

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This is only symbolic and not literal. Peter means stone, Jesus is the rock. Peter was a leader but didn't establish a church or denomination. Jesus is the foundation/rock of the body of Christ, peter is one stone of the entire "Church".

the Church: the whole body of Christian believers.

How can you burning in hell and be alive for ever? I thought only believers live for ever?
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." perish means you die, everlasting life means life after resurrection.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
This is only symbolic and not literal. Peter means stone, Jesus is the rock. Peter was a leader but didn't establish a church or denomination. Jesus is the foundation/rock of the body of Christ, peter is one stone of the entire "Church".

the Church: the whole body of Christian believers.

How can you burning in hell and be alive for ever? I thought only believers live for ever?
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." perish means you die, everlasting life means life after resurrection.

The gates of Hades Will Not prevail against Jesus' Church.

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

agapelove said:
Poor Andre, the point you are missing is the point of the Gospels.

Romans 8 Neither death, nor life, shall be able to separate us from the love of God.

1 Corinthians 13 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

Show me again where you see "no hope after death" in Scripture?

Romans 8 says nothing for your doctrine. If you die believing then you will not be separated by the love of God. If you die believing then death won't separate you from God's love. You will be resurrected to eternal life.

Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
The gates of Hades Will Not prevail against Jesus' Church.

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And? it's symbolic. Jesus and his believers are victorious in the end that's all it means. No one can beat God.

agapelove · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
Romans 8 says nothing for your doctrine. If you die believing then you will not be separated by the love of God. If you die believing then death won't separate you from God's love. You will be resurrected to eternal life.

Neither does Hebrews 8 for yours.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
And? it's symbolic. Jesus and his believers are victorious in the end that's all it means. No one can beat God.

It's Literal.

Heretical Universalism Doctrines, Heretical Annihilation Doctrines, Schismatic Heretics, Demons, The Devil, Communism, Islam, Various Cults etc. Will Not Prevail Against His Church.

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

agapelove said:
Neither does Hebrews 8 for yours.

Please explain you simply made a statement. I explained what yours meant because you quoted something that doesn't say what you think it says.

Hebrews 8 is very straightforward.

Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
It's Literal.

Heretical Universalism Doctrines, Heretical Annihilation Doctrines, Schismatic Heretics, Demons, The Devil, Communism, Islam, Various Cults etc. Will Not Prevail Against His Church.

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I don't see a church called Peter. You provide no proof that it's literal. Any symbolic statement can be claimed to be literal.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · May 20, 2020

Andre_b said:
I don't see a church called Peter. You provide no proof that it's literal. Any symbolic statement can be claimed to be literal.

Jesus' Church Is Still Here.

The gates of Hades have still not prevailed against It, just like Jesus said it wouldn't.

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Andre_b · May 20, 2020

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
It's Literal.

Heretical Universalism Doctrines, Heretical Annihilation Doctrines, Schismatic Heretics, Demons, The Devil, Communism, Islam, Various Cults etc. Will Not Prevail Against His Church.

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But it doesn't prove hell is a place of people that have died in the past. Fallen angels are currently roaming mostly freely on earth, from the fall, NOT HUMANS that have died already. Everything you said about these things are all alive right now. If fallen angels were in hell they would be burning right now not here.

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