LDS Could the Mormon god have been a sinner?
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God forgives sins of those who repent and do works meet for repentance:
(New Testament | Acts 26:15 - 20)
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
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Trust the LORD and not on your own understanding
Multiple questions -- multiple answers.
1) Why must good works focus only on glorifying God and LDS is to glorify ourselves.
Answer 1A: Jesus revealed it be so: Matthew 5:16
Answer 1B: Because ultimately Mormonism's Plan of Salvation plainly says that human effort being successful in order to progress in become a god.
2) Afraid of Mormonism?
Answer: foolish question.
3) Answer: Not at all. The focus intended that seems to under cuts the doing of good works by those in Mormonism is the premise on working the Plan of Salvation when comparing God's revealed result of failing to perfectly keep … which is outer darkness.
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So do you. You had to do the work of believing in Jesus Christ. You realize that everyone that hear about Jesus do not believe in him as the Savior of the world. So the first good work is to truly believe in him.
Then the next good work is repentance. Get yourself ready for baptism.
The next good work is to be baptized (remember what Peter says, baptism is for the remission of sins). Repentance and baptism are good works to get yourself ready to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, which now leads one to access grace from Jesus Christ, a grace that he offers all that do these good works to believe, be cleansed, and have the Holy Spirit.
Now, armed with all things, you can be a new person in Christ, and your good works will be done for the glorification of God and the building up of his kingdom, as Jesus has before ordained that you should be engaged in.
So may the Lord bless all of us as we try to live as Jesus would have us live.
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It is impossible to want faith and to have saving faith without God's
work in our lives. Faith is given to us from God.
2 Thessalonians 1:11
"Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:"
That is not my work. God changed my heart. Faith that produces no good works is dead. That kind of faith did not come from God! The faith that will move us to both will and do (Philippians 2:13) is of God's good pleasure. Every good thing a Christian does is because the Holy Spirit of God is motivating us and strengthening us to do it.
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Not according to Matthew 6:14-15, seems like Jesus just put some conditions on you being saved.
Here's some more restriction. You should have continued to read your Hebrews 10 scripture:
Hebrews 10:23-26 King James Version (KJV)
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The NT is full of conitions that we must be aware of. Of course we are going to sin after we receive the word, but Jesus will forgive us if we repent, and if we forgive all those that tresspass against us.
IOW forgiveness is not automatic, so be careful.
At the end of your Jeremiah scripture you must add, if you forgive all those that tresspass against you. Spoken 600 years later by Jesus himself.
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It isn't the least bit Mormon talk. God calls sinners and makes them worthy. There is no ladder of good works. What is good about falling from a ladder? A ladder is not the way. Jesus is the ONLY WAY.
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So can we rip the sermon on the mount out of the bible? Since God forgives us freely\unconditionaly because Jesus has paid the entire debt of our sin. Why the sermon on the mount?
Why is the bible not just 1 page long, and says this:
In order for you to be saved, you must believe in Jesus Christ and be baptized of the Holy Spirit. When you do this, you are automatically saved in the kingdom of God and His Christ.
If you sin, (and that means any sin) you are freely forgiven (without having to repent). You are forgiven unconditionaly (it does not matter what you do wrong, nor does it matter why you did wrong). It is this way because Jesus has already paid the entire debt for our sins, yesterdays sins, todays sins, and ours sins in the future.
The minute you accept Jesus as your Savior, God puts you into the hands of His Son Jesus, and there is nothing that can separate you from Jesus.
Why not just have 1 page to declare this doctrine and make it completely transparent and simple for all to understand. Then the apostles just sign on the bottom half of the page, and we all go about rejoicing in the glory of the Lord.
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Worthy of this [or one's] calling-- you are right---I have heard that term as a Mormon.
But then it is your Church's measurement---not Christ's.
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Jesus paid the debt and completes the work He began!
Why did God teach us His will?
2 Timothy 3:16–17. The Apostle Paul taught how the scriptures bless our lives. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Why do you want Satan to have power stronger that the Good Shepherd? That makes no sense.
John 10
The things I do by my Father's authority show who I am. 26 But since you are not my sheep, you don't believe me. 27 My sheep know my voice, and I know them. They follow me, 28 and I give them eternal life, so that they will never be lost. No one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father gave them to me, and he is greater than all others. No one can snatch them from his hands, 30 and I am one with the Father.
Why are you complaining about God's perfect plan?
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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If the doctrine of worthiness is scriptural, then it is of Christ, right?
Revelation 3:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
What makes them worthy? They did not defile their garments. IOW they believed and did what Jesus told them to do and did not turn on him and defile their garments.
What does happen to a believer that defiles their garments:
Romans 1:32 King James Version (KJV)
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
What was the reason that caused these Roman church members to be worthy of death. They knew God and they knew his judgements, but yet they continued forward and committed such things that was worthy of death.
So you see, the doctrine of 'worthiness' is not a JS doctrine only, but is conntained all through the bible.
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And you left out a few verses on calling. Here is one:
Ephesians 4:1
I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,
So why does your Church leaders determine this worthiness for a person's calling?
What does happen to a believer that defiles their garments:---Peter1000
Is this defiling you temple garments?
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So the bible is given by the inspiration of God and is good:
for doctrine
for reproof
for correction
for instruction in righteousness
that man may be perfect
thoroughly furnished unto all good works
This is a perfect Mormon scripture, but one that you have little to do with. Because you believe this:
We believe in Jesus Christ and have been baptized of the Holy Spirit, and that because Jesus has already paid all of our debts in the past, present, and future, we are saved and nobody can take us out of the hand of Jesus, no matter what.
Therefore, anything that is written to reproof you is worthless, why should you be reproofed, Jesus has taken care of any reproofs.
Therefore, anything that is written to correct you is worthless paper, why should you be corrected, Jesus has taken care of any corrections needed.
Therefore, anything that is written to instruct you in righteousness, is worthless, because we have been given the righteousness of Jesus, what greater righteousness can there be.
Therefore, anything that is written to perfect you is worthless paper, why should I be about the task of being perfected? Jesus has already perfected me and I am saved and nobody can take me out of the hand of Jesus. I am already perfected, so I need not read such foolishness from the bible or any other good books.
Therefore, anthing that is written that encourages me to be thoroughly furnished in all good works is worthless, because God will perform those good works that I should be engaged in, so stop talking to me about doing good works, they are useless to my salvation.
So basically, the scripture you just quoted, you stamp on with your foot.
It makes no sense because you are dilutional to think that we would want satan to have power stronger than the Good Shepherd. I will tell you that because of satans influence, most of the people on this earth will be in the lower 2 heavens, than in the highest level of heaven. If that says anything.
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I am already perfected, so I need not read such foolishness from the bible or any other good books.----Peter1000
Foolishness is trying to tell me your are already perfected---I can see from your responses that is hardly the case.
Foolishness is trying to tell me your are already perfected---I can see from your responses that is hardly the case.
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Jamesone5 says:
Good scripture, so thank you for that, it makes my point. Worthiness is a true biblical doctrine.
So you don't get a man or woman that knows very little about the bible teaching the adult bible class. Etc., etc., etc.
I don't know.
But for us it is a perfectly logical statement because when we put on our temple garments we promised that we would do things that other members of the church who do not choose to wear the garment do not promise to do.
So if someone is said to have defiled their garments, it means they have broken their promise and have defiled their temple garments.
So like I say, interesting question, would have to do a lot of study to see if the church of the first century had any kind of a special garment that they wore. And if they did things not worthy of the wearing of the garment, they would be said to have defiled their garment.
Good scripture, so thank you for that, it makes my point. Worthiness is a true biblical doctrine.
So you don't get a pedophile teaching an 8 year old boys and girls Sunday School class.
So you don't get a man or woman that knows very little about the bible teaching the adult bible class. Etc., etc., etc.
Very interesting question. How does one defile their outer garments or their outer clothing?
I don't know.
But for us it is a perfectly logical statement because when we put on our temple garments we promised that we would do things that other members of the church who do not choose to wear the garment do not promise to do.
So if someone is said to have defiled their garments, it means they have broken their promise and have defiled their temple garments.
So like I say, interesting question, would have to do a lot of study to see if the church of the first century had any kind of a special garment that they wore. And if they did things not worthy of the wearing of the garment, they would be said to have defiled their garment.
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Good scripture, so thank you for that, it makes my point. Worthiness is a true biblical doctrine---Peter1000
How would you know if it is good scripure? After all you said this
I am already perfected, so I need not read such foolishness from the bible or any other good books.---Peter1000
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