it is a sin to add to your natural appearance? really? where did God say so?

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I support "Doctors Without Borders", because I support the corrective surgery for hare-lip and cleft palate afflicted children. I am more touched by this than by any other need that I support.

This is going to sound funny but when I read this i could feel the tears coming. Why? well, because yesterday this thought poped into my head that if children could have cosmetic treatment for hare lip and that's ok, then surely my cosmetic removal of hair due to my condition is ok. and at the time i thought "God is speaking." now, here is my confirmation!!
 
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The Bible does give us general instructions for how God wants Christian women to wear their hair and how He wants us to dress, and I believe we should abide by those for our spiritual benefit and God's glory and good pleasure. The specifics of what that will look like for you will have to be filled in by the faith He gives you.

All of us have unique personalities and cultures and not all the things which comprise those must or should be jettisoned when we become believers.

However, it's important to remember that when we come to be in Christ, we ourselves are no longer the focus and purpose of our lives but rather Him.

God wants our minds to be renewed so that we become more and more like Him in our ways and desires and less like the world from which He has called us out. Over time, with that renewal, many of the things we used to prize and admire will no longer be of concern to us and a new perspective and new desires will take their place.

Thank you. yeah, i guess the focus is to be on Jesus and the motive of our hearts. i do know the Bible says for a woman not to shave her head because that was hw prostitutes wore their hair and not to show off wealth by having pearls threaded through hair. or rather, the Bible does not forbid pearls or braids but says our beauty does not come from them. fortunately my hair is mid length not long, only goes to my chin, so i never braid mine away. i keep my hair styles very simple!
 
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The short answer, No.

Also, you need to start hanging out with a different group of Christians.

I unfriended that lady from Facebook. she even says dancing is sinful! even ballet. and secular music, even classical or jazz. so i thought, right am not giving up music or going to theatre to see ballet or operas. no way, jose!
 
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Legalism is something Paul went all out against, I suggest you do a deep study on Paul's writings starting with His Gospel of Grace and delving into his fight with those who wanted to put people under the Law (rules, rules, rules).
There is two rules to start with: Love God and Love your Neighbor as yourself. To love your neighbor as yourself one needs to learn to love yourself as best you can to start with something I've been working on (better now but nowhere near optimal) If your love, or to start with.... acceptance of yourself gets farther with a few minor improvements then go for it but if there is no end to what you have to do for that stumbling block that trips you to having a maturing relationship with God that leads to loving others then you need to address what is the issue.
As for tall.... I can understand that being tall can make one feel out of place for sure around shorter people, as most women like to be shorter than guys that they are attracted to a taller woman feels more out of place than perhaps taller guys.
 
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Thank you. yeah, i guess the focus is to be on Jesus and the motive of our hearts. i do know the Bible says for a woman not to shave her head because that was hw prostitutes wore their hair and not to show off wealth by having pearls threaded through hair. or rather, the Bible does not forbid pearls or braids but says our beauty does not come from them. fortunately my hair is mid length not long, only goes to my chin, so i never braid mine away. i keep my hair styles very simple!

They actually wore it uncovered -which is why head covering was a huge deal at the Corinth church because no well-bred lady would go around head uncovered outside of her house let alone in a church and look like a prostitute. It was known as the 'city of prostitutes', The greatest shame to a woman there was to have her hair shaved off and it was a punishment for adultery. The prostitutes had uncovered heads and elaborate hair styles because an uncovered head said 'available' and the elaberate hair styles were to attract men, shaved heads werent attractive.
 
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I unfriended that lady from Facebook. she even says dancing is sinful! even ballet. and secular music, even classical or jazz. so i thought, right am not giving up music or going to theatre to see ballet or operas. no way, jose!

With that attitude, you could end up doing nothing, seeing no one and effectively sit in a corner under a sack. 'hiding your light under a bushel'
 
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Oh goodness are they all living in the Old Testament?

I certainly hope that’s not true, because if it
Is, everyone at every church I’ve ever been to is “doomed”. No matter how much they follow Jesus in life. I have never known a Christian who did not have a nice outfit, some jewelry, a Brazilian blowout in her hair, occasional pink or blue highlights, a small
Tattoo or some ear piercings etc etc
 
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Hello! Welcome to the family of Christ!
These women are either deceiving you or are brainwashed by what they watch. These women don’t strike me as if they read the Bible and if they do, without the Holy Spirit to teach them.

Be very careful what anyone tells you, please read the Bible with God and He will teach you His Ways.
Sometimes people will appear as if they are Christians (like Pharisees in the New Testament), but don’t follow what He says. So please, be careful not to be deceived.

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I would address the issue in prayer before seeking input from others. I’d want the Lord’s counsel and peace. I think its errant to apply personal convictions to others or the threat of hell to elicit agreement or change. It’s contrary to the gospel and brotherly love.

Loveliness cannot be cultivated in an atmosphere of shame or condemnation. God has a kaleidoscope of beauty with many manifestations. Authentic expressions that honor our personality and spirit are best. We can’t define that for others and shouldn’t subject ourselves to the same.

~Bella
 
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I am being deadly serious here

A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

Some other christians have told me that wearing perfume, heels of any sort (even low heels. as someone with a disability all i can wear is low heels! a,m gonna be toast then!), wigs, weaves, etc even wedding bands can send you to hell.

oh and you cannot bob or trim your hair if you are a woman. or wear trousers. because, you know, hellfire.

I have hirutsim due to severe PCOS, if i don't shave or wax my face, legs, arms etc then i become very hairy (in summer this feels uncomfortable like am wearing a hair shirt, hot and sweaty) . I assume armpit shaving is OK as is to do with hygiene. so is it a sin to shave as a woman? for my comfort rather than vanity? also i don't want to look ungroomed or scruffy. that will limit my opportunities in life badly.

also is tweezing eyebrows ok? not to change shape of the brow or thin them but just if i want to pluck any straggly bits out?? for sake of looking neat, tidy, respectable?

I cannot find a scripture about any if these things saying they a sin except the one about not letting your beauty be due to pearls or braided hair and i assumed those were not forbidding these things per se but saying "let not your adornment MERELY be outward as in the wearing of costly clothes, jewels, braided hair etc" Maybe it only an issue if you wear those things to show off "Look how rich i am" or for other vanity reasons.

Also, if we are saved by grace, by faith in Jesus blood alone, i know we have to live holy as a sign of our salvation, but we don't do holy things to BE saved. so why would wearing say a wedding ring actually send soemone to Hell??? unless these things are an idol, i do not see why a problem? or the jewllery or clothes are linked to occult rituals (in some countries certain amulets linked to witchcraft)

To be fair i have gooogled a few of these "I saw women in hell for wearing x y z" testimonies and some of those churches linked to them have some bizarre doctrines eg tithing is mandatory under the new covenant, so is sabath keeping. now i realise many Godly christians practice these things and find them helpful and that is great! but i was under the impression that they weren't conditions for salvation? one of the churches also claimed that their founder had a vision by God that they were the last days "Ark"- the one true church by which you can be saved???!! many of them believe any contraception including natural family planning is sinful and that medication of any kind is witchcraft (again, i guess am gonna burn).

i do want to live a holy life before God but all these demands are making me a bit nervous? i grew up under a differen tkind of christian legalism and also suffered an abusive parent who created a picture of God in my mind as a stern cold wrathful hateful God... i am having much healing for that and am ina church where the emphasis is on Grace saving us and holy living being a result of that grace and not being alwys easy but not being a burden of dos and don'ts....my past led me to serious mental breakdowns and my MH has improved so much since learning about grace and how much am loved by God. This woman said my church is false because they dont talk about the wrath of God and how we live to live perfect and with NO SIN to make the rapture (this kind of thing reminds me of my upbringing, so not good for the Complex PTSD and associated issues). i shared my testimony with her but she was like "oh God did nice things for you so you would walk on the narrow way with Him and actually get saved properly!" oh, ok, then. unfriend. block. pray God help me forgive her and get me back on even keel

But seriously this has got me thinking WHERE did this idea come from that Christian women are not to adorn themselves? when i googled this is ofund an american website that said wearing a dress with a patter on it (eg flowers, polka dots) is adornment and a sin. now i am ona limite dincome and cannot sew. i have had lessons but i have no gift for it. many of my clothes are patterned or have short sleeves or skirts are mid calf (am also tall. i love maxi dresses but hard to find ones for 34 inch leg in the UK on a low budget). so am i going to be the devil's fried bread then? or is this all a load of nonsense?!

I give my view on this. A woman (or a man) should not wear things that are "sexually challenging". If men are starring at you everywhere you go, you might be wearing the wrong dress. If you shave your armpits, got a necklace, perfume, flowers on your clothes etc. it doesn't matter. Keep it neutral, no problem! God cares about the heart, not the clothes.

Christ love,
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I give my view on this. A woman (or a man) should not wear things that are "sexually challenging". If men are starring at you everywhere you go, you might be wearing the wrong dress. If you shave your armpits, got a necklace, perfume, flowers on your clothes etc. it doesn't matter. Keep it neutral, no problem! God cares about the heart, not the clothes.

Christ love,
Peter

Amen! thank you, that is helpful i hate the thought of strangers staring at me, especially men. am not ready for that kind of thing (marriage) yet due to my past experiences.
 
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I would address the issue in prayer before seeking input from others. I’d want the Lord’s counsel and peace. I think its errant to apply personal convictions to others or the threat of hell to elicit agreement or change. It’s contrary to the gospel and brotherly love.

Loveliness cannot be cultivated in an atmosphere of shame or condemnation. God has a kaleidoscope of beauty with many manifestations. Authentic expressions that honor our personality and spirit are best. We can’t define that for others and shouldn’t subject ourselves to the same.

~Bella
I would address the issue in prayer before seeking input from others. I’d want the Lord’s counsel and peace. I think its errant to apply personal convictions to others or the threat of hell to elicit agreement or change. It’s contrary to the gospel and brotherly love.

Loveliness cannot be cultivated in an atmosphere of shame or condemnation. God has a kaleidoscope of beauty with many manifestations. Authentic expressions that honor our personality and spirit are best. We can’t define that for others and shouldn’t subject ourselves to the same.

~Bella
Amen, i love your quote about lovliness. I think if we are someone who loves colour, flowers, exotic scents, then that is a personality trait and i feel am expressing my true self through those things
 
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A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

It should be noted that there are many who take holiness seriously and regard such things as unholy. For them it is a matter of their faith. The words of Paul apply here.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.​

I don't know the tone of her voice, but it sounds like she was judging you for wearing make up. She needs to read these verses.
 
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It should be noted that there are many who take holiness seriously and regard such things as unholy. For them it is a matter of their faith. The words of Paul apply here.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.​

I don't know the tone of her voice, but it sounds like she was judging you for wearing make up. She needs to read these verses.

yes. i dont have a problem with her ig her personal conviction is not to wear it, that is fine, but i do object to her cliaming it is a salvation issue and promoting false testimonies and visions. i also consider myself to take holiness pretty seriously- but the Word is our guide and we must not add to God's commandments by claiming that all these things are evil for everyone. if those hell testimonies ARE true then those peopl eare there because they were not in Christ, they were puttng themselves under legalism (if you do that you get judged by it) OR they had a vanity problem and make up was an idol to them....so maybe for those people, they should not be wearing those things....but those testimonies are personal revlations, not for everyone. personal prophecies...because i myself have received propehcies for me personally through sound churches that reassure me that as long as i persevere in my faith and kep jesus my first love, i will be received by Him. my faith actually grew in leaps and bounds once i started seeing myself as accepted in the beloved, saved by Jesus' finsihed work on the cross ONLY. i find myself wanting to please Jesus even more than i ever did when i was convinced God hated me and i knew nothing of his mercies.

so yeah, i agree with you, it a personal conviction thing. 100 per cent.
 
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yes. i dont have a problem with her ig her personal conviction is not to wear it, that is fine, but i do object to her cliaming it is a salvation issue and promoting false testimonies and visions. i also consider myself to take holiness pretty seriously- but the Word is our guide and we must not add to God's commandments by claiming that all these things are evil for everyone. if those hell testimonies ARE true then those peopl eare there because they were not in Christ, they were puttng themselves under legalism (if you do that you get judged by it) OR they had a vanity problem and make up was an idol to them....so maybe for those people, they should not be wearing those things....but those testimonies are personal revlations, not for everyone. personal prophecies...because i myself have received propehcies for me personally through sound churches that reassure me that as long as i persevere in my faith and kep jesus my first love, i will be received by Him. my faith actually grew in leaps and bounds once i started seeing myself as accepted in the beloved, saved by Jesus' finsihed work on the cross ONLY. i find myself wanting to please Jesus even more than i ever did when i was convinced God hated me and i knew nothing of his mercies.

so yeah, i agree with you, it a personal conviction thing. 100 per cent.

You nailed it when you said legalism. As soon as you define holiness by what you wear you've put yourself under the law.
 
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I think they really are referring to what’s inside... like do you love the person you are without all that stuff, just the way God made you. It’s important that we love and respect our body- because God made us each unique. If you are “modifying” yourself let it be done in love not hate.
 
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I am being deadly serious here

A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

It would be interesting to know where that idea came from. It's not Scriptural.
Esther spent 12 months receiving beauty treatments before she was taken in to meet the king - all the women did, Esther 2:12.

Some other christians have told me that wearing perfume, heels of any sort (even low heels. as someone with a disability all i can wear is low heels! a,m gonna be toast then!), wigs, weaves, etc even wedding bands can send you to hell.

Sorry, but that's plain silly.
When a person dies, they will either be eternally separated from God because they died in their sin - eternal death - or be with him forever because they accepted and trusted in his Son who gives eternal life and has paid for our sin.
Rejecting the Son but being forever make up free does not mean a person will go to heaven.
Accepting the Son, worshipping God, reading the Scriptures but having pink hair and earrings, will not send someone to hell.

oh and you cannot bob or trim your hair if you are a woman. or wear trousers. because, you know, hellfire.

No.

I have hirutsim due to severe PCOS, if i don't shave or wax my face, legs, arms etc then i become very hairy (in summer this feels uncomfortable like am wearing a hair shirt, hot and sweaty) . I assume armpit shaving is OK as is to do with hygiene. so is it a sin to shave as a woman? for my comfort rather than vanity?

Of course not.

I cannot find a scripture about any if these things saying they a sin

Exactly.

Also, if we are saved by grace, by faith in Jesus blood alone, i know we have to live holy as a sign of our salvation, but we don't do holy things to BE saved. so why would wearing say a wedding ring actually send soemone to Hell???

Exactly.
Especially as a wedding ring will often be removed when a person has died.

To be fair i have gooogled a few of these "I saw women in hell for wearing x y z" testimonies

Personally, I'd believe the Bible over Google any day.

i do want to live a holy life before God but all these demands are making me a bit nervous?

Whose demands are they; God's, or other Christians'?

i grew up under a differen tkind of christian legalism

You've just said it yourself; Christian legalism.

This woman said my church is false because they dont talk about the wrath of God and how we live to live perfect and with NO SIN

Firstly, no one can live without sin. Being judgemental, condemning and frightening people so they leave the church/turn away from God is far worse a sin than the shaving or wearing make up that she condemns.
Secondly, she hasn't shown from Scripture that these things are sins anyway.

But seriously this has got me thinking WHERE did this idea come from that Christian women are not to adorn themselves?

Exactly - maybe this woman could give you an answer to that, because it's not from Scripture.

when i googled this is ofund an american website that said wearing a dress with a patter on it (eg flowers, polka dots) is adornment and a sin. now i am ona limite dincome and cannot sew. i have had lessons but i have no gift for it. many of my clothes are patterned or have short sleeves or skirts are mid calf (am also tall. i love maxi dresses but hard to find ones for 34 inch leg in the UK on a low budget). so am i going to be the devil's fried bread then?

No.

or is this all a load of nonsense?!

Yep.
 
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