Israel GOD'S time clock ?

Dave L said:

Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual, not physical.

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Logical fallacy otherwise known as a false dilemma - the kingdom is both spiritual and physical.

brian57 said:

Sorry but I think it has every thing to do with God. The bible is a jewish book , written to jews for jews about jews. Just because we read it in english doesn't mean that it is about us.

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It's about the Gentiles too. Anyone grafted into Israel becomes Israel.

The only thing prophesied for the nations however, is the destruction of all the kingdoms of the nations, and their kingdoms becoming the Kingdom of our LORD and of His Christ (Revelation 16:19; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 11:15; Zechariah 14:9; Daniel 7:27; Daniel 2:45). The Biblical types of this fact are the destruction of Babylon after God had made an end of allowing it to destroy Jerusalem and take the people into exile; and also the destruction of Pharaoh and his armies = the deliverance of God's elect.

The kingdoms and power of the nations will likewise be destroyed and Christ's Kingdom will replace them all. Come, Lord Jesus!

brian57 said:

Sorry but I think it has every thing to do with God. The bible is a jewish book , written to jews for jews about jews. Just because we read it in english doesn't mean that it is about us.

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The Bible is a Jewish book but the Zionist State of Israel has nothing to do with being Jewish and therein lies the distinction.

brian57 said:

Sorry but I think it has every thing to do with God. The bible is a jewish book , written to jews for jews about jews. Just because we read it in english doesn't mean that it is about us.

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How can you say that the Bible is written for Jews about Jews? Never read letters "to Romans, To Corinth, To Galatia, To Ephesians....?"

Also, I do not think that Luke was a Jew.

Also, the Bible is not about Jews, but about Jesus and about church.

Oldmantook said:

Logical fallacy otherwise known as a false dilemma - the kingdom is both spiritual and physical.

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Not according to Jesus in the NT. Try to find scripture support.

Dave L said:

This is a long list of errors going back to fumbling around with Daniel. Jesus says only the born again can see the kingdom in that the kingdom is spiritual. But the physical kingdom buffs missed it thinking it did not come when it was supposed to. And they still look for it thinking it is physical = Phariseeism, Premillennialism/Dispensationalism.

But the born again saw it, and continue to see it through spiritual eyes and don't expect a physical kingdom of the future. So which is it? Jesus taught Amillennialism in his kingdom teachings which means the OT kingdom prophecies are symbols for the kingdom. The Pharisees taught physical Millennialism opposing him thinking the OT kingdom prophecies are literal.

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You better read John 3:1-21 again very carefully...

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Yah is the first three letters of God's name when written with Roman letters. Jesus is God.

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I'm still waiting Polly...

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I'm still waiting Polly...

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You're going to wait forever. I told you I owe you no explanations.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

You're going to wait forever. I told you I owe you no explanations.

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Because YOU CAN'T...because you were WRONG...

Christian believers are at odds with one another. We all read the Bible and keep the Commandments. Why do we understand the Prophesies so differently?

My approach is to read the prophesies literally, unless they are obviously metaphorical; describing something not known in ancient times, but what is possible to figure out from our modern knowledge.
I am also a history buff, so I know what has happened and what remains to be fulfilled.

As for the Jewish State of Israel, the whole concept and realization of that entity is a Satanic construct. Jesus said it would happen, Matthew 24:32, but He never said it was from God.
The Zionist Congress, headed by Theodore Hertzel, were all, or mostly atheists and their country of Israel was founded on communist principals. Today it is a secular state, run just as every other democracy, with many religions having a say in State politics. Judaism with its denial of Jesus is no better than Islam.

But what really astounds me, is how people ignore the many prophesies that clearly state the virtual demise of Jewish Israel. Which will happen at the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3
Isaiah 22:1-14; is one of the best prophesies about this forthcoming Day. It describes how they rush about, terrified; as they see their doom approaching. Ezekiel 7:14-20, Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 25:30-38
What will trigger the Lord to act on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, is told us in Isaiah 22:6, where Iran and all the Islamic entities will commence an attack onto the holy Land, something that is only possible now, using nuke missiles, as Psalms 7:12-16 and Psalms 83 tell us, with the result of their actions.

This scenario will happen; it is what the Bible says. If we reject it, then what else of the Bible is wrong and can we trust it for anything?


I have received inspiration and a vision from the Lord. It happened to me, when my wife and I lived for 3 months in Israel.
He made it possible for me to understand His plans for the world and for my future. My task now, is to point out the prophesies about the end times.

Some people say they have been fulfilled, but the historical record and the Bible prophesies do not match. Any prophesy that is not recorded as having occurred, will occur: sooner or later. Allegories and metaphors are word pictures of the real thing.

I was brought up in the Methodist Church. I was never taught anything about prophecy or the Jews. As I said, we lived among them and they are just like normal people everywhere.
I totally reject the accusation that I have any bias against the Jews.
As is so comprehensively prophesied, the entire Middle East will be virtually depopulated in the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath. Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17
Isaiah 29:1-4 says it very well and tells us that just a few, possibly a thousand or so, will survive by hiding underground. That remnant will be joined by their Christian brethren and all will live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-27

The belief of a general Jewish Redemption, is an immutable tenet of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Just as there is no scriptural evidence of God taking the Church to heaven, nowhere is it said that the Jews will have any prominence in the end times or later. Both ideas are false teachings.

Another way of viewing the Jewish State of Israel, is they constitute the visible 'Israel'. The Satanic hatred of the sons of Ishmael is directed toward the Jews, rather than toward the real Israelites of God, the Christian peoples of every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10

The amazing Plans of God, beyond our human comprehension; are working toward His ultimate goal: to obtain a people who have freely chosen to believe in Him and to be with Him for Eternity.
We have quite a way to go yet, some very hard times of testing and the proving of our faith, as many have done before us.
But great and wonderful are the Blessings and rewards promised to those who hold fast to their faith and trust unconditionally in His protection.

brian57 said:

Now what would you say to a preterist if they made this statement like you have made. Would you simply believe in preterism because of it , or would you question their mentality and hearing of voices etc.

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I say what I say to everyone: Read the prophets and understand the Lords plans for our future.
I promote what the Bible prophets said. That this seems to many people; as a 'blowing of my own trumpet', is unfortunate, but I realize that criticism is one way that people who refuse to believe the Prophetic Word, can ignore and reject it.

It is plain from verses like Isaiah 42:18-20, that the Lord has placed over people, a veil of inability to understand the Prophesies. Pastors are the worst affected, of the dozen or so that I have tried to discuss the prophesies with, they all not only know nothing about them, but they refuse to know anything.
I see this as part of Gods plan, He actually wants most people to be surprised and shocked when He takes action. It will be the great test of our faith. 1 Peter 4:12

And let me say, that I will be surprised and shocked as well, although at least I will know what happens, comes from the Lord.
I read the graphic descriptions of the Lords Day of fiery wrath, and try to comprehend it all. But what will happen, is so far out from anything any of us has experienced before, a full understanding is impossible for us.

keras said:

As for the Jewish State of Israel, the whole concept and realization of that entity is a Satanic construct.

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In my opinion it is as satanic as any other nation.
Satan is the ruler of this world, as I see it.
It's a horrible tenet of anti-Israel preaching that they always call Israel satanic when it is just as satanic as any other nation, I think.
For me it is special pleading. If other nations are secular, they are simply subjected to the common rants. But if Israel gets secular the whole of Christianity cries foul?

keras said:

is told us in Isaiah 22:6, where Iran and all the Islamic entities will commence an attack onto the holy Land, something that is only possible now, using nuke missiles, as Psalms 7:12-16 and Psalms 83 tell us, with the result of their actions.

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nukes aren't mentioned in Psalms nor in Isaiah. You're telling us fairy tales.

Cbowles said:

To me a Jew is Hebrew from the seed of Abraham.

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Which would be everyone on earth today.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Cbowles said:

Well the Bible says pork is an abomination to God.

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Also says wearing mixed Fiber clothing is an equal abomination to Shellfish/pork and Homosexuality... So for the sake of your desire to please God and not have Him look upon you as an abomination, I hope you NEVER wear clothing that is made from a cotton blend, for God hates that as much as He hates Homosexuality.

thomas_t said:

nukes aren't mentioned in Psalms nor in Isaiah. You're telling us fairy tales.

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Perhaps you would like to give your opinion on what Zechariah 5:1-11 is all about?

Unless that chapter is a meaningless jumble of metaphors, it is describing nuke missiles. They come from Shinar, which is now a part of Iran and they require lead shielding.
The day will come when Iran will attempt to use what they have prepared for so long and that will be the Day of their doom. Psalms 7:12-16, Jeremiah 49:35-37

keras said:

Perhaps you would like to give your opinion on what Zechariah 5:1-11 is all about?

Unless that chapter is a meaningless jumble of metaphors, it is describing nuke missiles.

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look, the onus is on you to show that a metaphor in the Bible connot describe any other thing than in fact nuclear arms. This is the claim you've made. The onus isn't on me to prove a negative.
You're putting forward the positive claim here.
If you can't substanciate it by Bible facts... it's fiction, I guess.

thomas_t said:

look, the onus is on you to show that a metaphor in the Bible connot describe any other thing than in fact nuclear arms. This is the claim you've made. The onus isn't on me to prove a negative.
You're putting forward the positive claim here.
If you can't substanciate it by Bible facts... it's fiction, I guess.

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It is like trying to hold an eel; you just slip away from any request to explain what Zechariah 5 is talking about.
I have explained it in a logical and plausible way.

brian57 said:

Yeah I get that. So if I add 2000 yrs of christianity then we come to 2030 or so. Kinda interesting.

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More than interesting!
You believe in the Bible? Why just off-handedly dismiss anything it says? Remember 2030 is still 10 years away, it is quite feasible for the prophesies for the end times to occur within that time.