The Law is external; the Spirit is internal

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I agree. The odd thing about this discussion is that those who insist the Law is still in force have the very odd challenge of explaining why this effectively relegates the Holy Spirit to the sidelines. And yet here is the job description of the Holy Spirit:

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth

If someone claims that we need to look to the Law for guidance on how to live, that seems to encroach on a big chunk of "all truth".

The Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:3), the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and God's law is truth (Psalms 119:160). Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he us the personification of that truth (John 14:6). In 2 Timothy 3:8, those who oppose Moses also oppose the truth, being of corrupted minds and disqualified in regard to the faith. In Romans 8:4-7 those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it.
 
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The power of sin is the Law. Romans 6
This is why Jesus came to "redeem us from the CURSE of the Law".
we are "Not under the law, but under GRACE" if we are born again.

A law that is the power of sin is a law that is sinful, however, Romans 7:7 says that God's law is not sinful, but was given to reveal what sin is, therefore 1 Corinthians 15:56 is not referring to God's law, but rather it is the law of sin that is the power of sin. In Romans 7:25, Paul directly contrasted God's law with the law of sin.

Likewise, Romans 6:14 specifies that the law that we aren't under when we are under grace is a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe God's holy, righteous, and good law, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so we are still under God's law, but not under the law of sin.

In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renonce doing what is ungodly, which is what God's law was given to instruct how to do, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself part of the content of His free gift of salvation, and participating in that training does nothing to earn it, but rather that is what it looks like to receive it. Our salvation is from sin and sin is the tragression of God's law, so being trained by grace to live in obedience to God's law through faith is what being saved from living in tragression of God's law looks like.

In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it describes the blessing of the law while verses 15-68 describe the curse of the law, so the law itself was given to teach us how to be blessed, and being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free from living in disobedience to it so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of the law.
 
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What a beautiful way to represent what is written.

I encountered this problem with Paul 25 years ago. I heard him say in Acts 24 how be believed all things written in the Law and Prophets, which placed him in perfect alignment with Jesus. I heard him define his teaching in Acts 26.

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

A statement also aligned perfectly with the teaching of the Christ.

I heard him teach who is justified in Roman's 2.

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

And again;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This also is agreed upon by the Christ and All the Prophets in which HIS Spirit remained.

But then Paul said.

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

So this seemed to be contradictory, not only to Jesus and the Law and Prophets, but also to his own teaching. So i set out to understand.

I knew there was a truth here so I fasted for 3 days and nights, praying and crying, with headaches so bad I vomited.

Then it happened********** Nothing!! I could not figure this out, and I knew better than to find another religious voice to depend on. So I wiped my tears, got something to eat and just figured God would let me know in HIS Good time and continued with study and prayer.

It was about 3 months later as I was reading the story of Samuel and King Saul to my 7 year old daughter when it hit me.

1 Sam. 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

After I was finished I went to Rom. 3 again. As you point out, Paul was speaking about "justification". How was a man justified according to the Law? I asked myself, "If I have sinned, what did Moses say to do"?

did HE say "if a man sins he shall keep the Sabbath Holy, and his sin is forgiven"? No!!

Did he say "if a man sins he shall love his neighbor as himself, and his sin is forgiven? NO!!

He said "If a man sins he shall take a clean animal to a Levite Priest, who would then perform certain Sacrificial, Ceremonial "Works of the Law" of atonement and that man's sins are forgiven.

Lev. 4:20 And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.

Given that the Pharisees did not believe Jesus was the Unblemished Lamb, they were still bewitching the New Converts by telling them they could not be saved unless they followed the Law of Moses. But Paul knew Jesus was the true prophesied Lamb of God, and that HE had already shed HIS Blood, as prophesied, for the sins of the people.

Since he was speaking about the Jews in Rom 3. And about the Oracles of God.

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

It finally dawned on me.

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, (Not the blood of bulls as per the Law) to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, (Not the Deeds of the Levitical Priesthood as per the Law) through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Not the works of a Levite Priest as per the Law)

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? (Priesthood sacrificial Laws) Nay: but by the law of faith. (Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.)

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (of works)

Glory be to the God of Abraham, and to HIS Son who has shown Mercy to me, a nobody, and opened my eyes and answered my prayer for understanding. This was the first of many times that He has shown me what Paul, who is hard to understand, was saying.

I know this post is long, and who am I? But I wanted to share this experience with you in that you showed kindness to me.

Thank You Sir :)

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so all of God's law is of faith, not just parts of it. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law that is if works with a law that is if faith and said that our faith upholds God's law, so again all of God's law is of faith and the works of the law that aren't of faith can't be part of God's law.

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul contrasted works of the law, which aren't of faith, with the Book of the Law, which is of faith. He associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law.

The phrase "works of the law" has no definitive article in the Greek, so it is literally translated as "works of law", which means that it does not refer to a definitive set of laws, such as The Law of Moses, but rather Paul used it as a catch-all phrase to refer to a large body of Jewish oral laws, traditions, rulings, and fences which were being taught that people needed to obey in order to become justified. The phrase is also used in this way in Qumran Text 4QMMT.
 
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In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so all of God's law is of faith, not just parts of it. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law that is if works with a law that is if faith and said that our faith upholds God's law, so again all of God's law is of faith and the works of the law that aren't of faith can't be part of God's law.

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul contrasted works of the law, which aren't of faith, with the Book of the Law, which is of faith. He associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law.

The phrase "works of the law" has no definitive article in the Greek, so it is literally translated as "works of law", which means that it does not refer to a definitive set of laws, such as The Law of Moses, but rather Paul used it as a catch-all phrase to refer to a large body of Jewish oral laws, traditions, rulings, and fences which were being taught that people needed to obey in order to become justified. The phrase is also used in this way in Qumran Text 4QMMT.

I do agree that the Pharisees/Levite Priests, who Jesus said were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men, were pushing their man made version of the Levitical Priesthood on to the people.

But there was a Levitical Priesthood Law "ADDED" because of Transgressions. A Priesthood Abraham didn't have as Levi was not even born yet. A Priesthood after the order of Aaron, not Melchizedek.

Heb. 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

A Levite Priest was appointed by another Levite according to the Priesthood Laws given exclusively to Levi. They performed "works or Deeds" of this Priesthood Law for the atonement of sins. This Law was not of faith, but of works. It was truly the "Law of Works" not the Law of Faith.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

These Priesthood Laws of Atonement were to foreshadow the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God. To "lead them to Christ", and for those who believed God, like Zacharias and Simeon, it did just that.

But the Sacrificial "works of the Law" did nothing to actually cleanse the sin.

Heb. 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

This "ADDED" LAW was a carnal Law. This Added Law was not of Faith, but of works. This Covenant that God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai on Israels behalf, is the "first Covenant" God made with Israel. Everything else given them were God's Spiritual Law of Faith.

This is the Law that became obsolete. Replaced by a better ministry, a New Covenant in which we are no longer required to find a Levite Priest to hear the Word of God. And we are no longer required to take a sin offering to a Levite Priest who would then perform "works" which cleansed sins "Till the Seed should come". After those days God Himself would atone for our sins. As Prophesied in the promised New Covenant.
 
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I haven't found that to be a problem.
That is not an answer to the question asked. Just because you have not found it to be a problem does not mean the problem doesn't exist. Surely you understand, logically, the stated position each person decides can lead to relativism, yes? Hence my inquiry.

"I don't know," would be a better answer than the one provided.
 
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That is not an answer to the question asked. Just because you have not found it to be a problem does not mean the problem doesn't exist. Surely you understand, logically, the stated position each person decides can lead to relativism, yes? Hence my inquiry.

"I don't know," would be a better answer than the one provided.

If you know the answer to your own question why did you ask me?
 
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If you know the answer to your own question why did you ask me?
????? I did not say I knew the answer to my own question. I most definitely did not say I knew your answer to the question asked.

Single question. Still unanswered.

Single question now twice asked. Still unanswered.

Single question now asked thrice:

How is the problem of relativism avoided with the position everyone decides for themselves?
 
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????? I did not say I knew the answer to my own question. I most definitely did not say I knew your answer to the question asked.

Single question. Still unanswered.

Single question now twice asked. Still unanswered.

Single question now asked thrice:

How is the problem of relativism avoided with the position everyone decides for themselves?

If you reject my answer you must know the 'right' one.

Fear and trembling will mitigate any harmful relativism. :eek:

Paul is saying, "I got you started, you take it from here in my absence."
 
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Argumentum ad nauseam

And you're not sorry.

Another pair of false dichotomies. The Old and New function cohesively as a single progressive revelation from God. Our having died to the law does not preclude the law from having been internal.

Your own arguments refute your position. You've repeatedly appealed to Romans 7, apparently in neglect of something bluntly stated therein,

Romans 7:5-6, 21-23
"For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death. But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code...... So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me, For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.

That would be the Law internal.

Big, big, big screw up. If the laws of God did not dwell within we would not struggle with sin; we would either be oblivious to sin or take delight in its temporary pleasures without a piqued conscience.


2 Timothy 3:16-17
"ALL Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

"All" means all. The Law is part of scripture and as such it is profitable. It is no good as a means of attaining justification or righteousness but it remains veracious and efficacious for teaching, reproof, correction, training and equipping.

Colossians 3:12-17
"So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father."

John 5:37-38
"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent."

Once again: I can point to verses explicitly stating the law, the commandments, the words are internal but I have yet to receive a single bit of parity. Everything I have received is entirely inferential and ignores what is stated. We've traded posts three times now. That is three opportunities to respond to the specifics posted without doing so.

I've been patient and kind so far but it is time to face the facts: this op does not correctly represent God's word. I'm going to stop debating the issue with you because each of your posts contains more and more eisegesis and logical fallacy. The posts already contain four or five false dichotomies, at least two straw men, highly interpretive views of scripture that ignore context (Romans 7 occurs within the already established contexts of the previous chapters), and you're ignoring what has been posted. Learn how to engage what has been posted with something other than "Nunh unh" and fallacy.

pescador, some of this topic is currently being vigorously debated in another recent op HERE. Read through the arguments to better understand the the nature of the Law. I also encourage and exhort you to pick up a copy of the Counterpoint Series book, "Four Views on Law and Gospel" edited by Stanley Gundry. The topic is much debated, even by some of the most knowledgeable and experienced among us but there is no excuse for not engaging the scriptures I have posted.

I'll see you in the next op.
internal law imo is the law of faith. Abraham kept it.
 
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internal law imo is the law of faith. Abraham kept it.

It is Written in the Holy Scriptures that Abraham obeys God’s Laws, God’s Statutes, God’s Voice, and God’s Commandments.

I agree with you that these are the Law of Faith.

But Abraham was under the Melchisedec Priesthood, not the Levitical Priesthood which was not “Added” to God’s Laws, Statutes and Commandments until 430 years after Abraham.

Abraham was Justified by the Law of Faith that he obeyed, not the “added” “ Law of works” for atonement given to Levi “Till the Seed should Come”. ( blood of bulls and goats)

As Paul Himself said in Romans 2. “Not the hearers of Gods Commandments, Statutes and Laws are JUST before God, But the “doers”, like Abraham, shall be justified.
 
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It is Written in the Holy Scriptures that Abraham obeys God’s Laws, God’s Statutes, God’s Voice, and God’s Commandments.

I agree with you that these are the Law of Faith.
James speaks of it as Royal law or the law of freedom.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty .
But Abraham was under the Melchisedec Priesthood, not the Levitical Priesthood which was not “Added” to God’s Laws, Statutes and Commandments until 430 years after Abraham.
Yes but the law of faith was never disannulled.
It was law from the beginning.
Noah a preacher of righteousness condemned the old world by the law of faith, became the heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Abraham was Justified by the Law of Faith that he obeyed, not the “added” “ Law of works” for atonement given to Levi “Till the Seed should Come”. ( blood of bulls and goats)
The law of Moses was added, it did not nullify the law of faith.
As Paul Himself said in Romans 2. “Not the hearers of Gods Commandments, Statutes and Laws are JUST before God, But the “doers”, like Abraham, shall be justified.
James says the same as well concerning the word of the Gospel

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Ro 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Our faith is in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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James speaks of it as Royal law or the law of freedom.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty .

Yes but the law of faith was never disannulled.
It was law from the beginning.
Noah a preacher of righteousness condemned the old world by the law of faith, became the heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

The law of Moses was added, it did not nullify the law of faith.

James says the same as well concerning the word of the Gospel

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Ro 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Our faith is in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

It is written that when Abraham's children cried out in Egypt, God remembered His Covenant with Abraham. This Covenant included God's Laws, God's Judgments, God's Commandments and God's Statutes that Abraham obeyed. These Laws, Commandments, and Statutes were not enumerated in the Scriptures until the 2nd Book of the Bible. But as you correctly say, they existed.

When God sent Moses to free Abraham's Children, they were not held in Bondage to God's Statutes, God's Laws, God's Judgments and God's Commandments. They were held captive by transgression of these "law of Faith". They were kept in bondage to deception, lies, falsehoods, sin, etc.

So God brought them out of this "Bondage" into the Glorious Light of the Gospel. The Hebrews author says this Gospel was preached to us and to them. But they, Israel, didn't mix the hearing of the Gospel with "doing" or as James called it "Faith".

God shared with them the Law of Faith, that is, HE wrote down the Commandments, Statutes and Laws that Abraham was said to have obeyed. But this time, because of Transgressions, God added a Priesthood Law with Priesthood duties that Abraham didn't have. This Law was ADDED to the Commandments, Statutes, and Laws of God that Abraham was a "DOER" of, until the SEED should come and fulfill the sacrifice this Priesthood foreshadowed.

This " Levitical Priesthood" is the external Law that became obsolete. Not God's Commandments, Statutes, Laws and Judgments. It dealt with two things.

#1. How God's Laws, God's Statutes, and God's Commandments are administered.

#2. How atonement for men who transgressed God's Commandments, God's Statutes and God's Laws, that Abraham obeyed, was achieved.

We can easily identify which Laws were the Law of faith and which Laws were the Law of Works given for the Priesthood that Hebrews speaks of.

If the Commandment was given to the Levites, Aaron and His Sons, it was the Law of Works, this is the Priesthood Law that became obsolete, as it was only ADDED "til the Seed should come" in the first place".

If it was given to Abraham's Children, or "the children of Israel", then it is the Law of Faith.

Remember what God said.

1 Sam. 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Because of the serpent, who also uses some of God's Words to deceive, these truths have been corrupted. But Jesus said if we "live by" Every Word of God we can over come the serpent.

He was once asked;

Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which?

This is a perfect question to differentiate between the "law of Works, and the "Law of Faith".

Which Law?

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Ex. 20.

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Lev. 19.

I have heard religious deceivers try and convince men that because Jesus didn't mention Sabbath, then He must have "annulled" it. But He didn't mention Idol worship, Loving God with all their heart, Covet, Just balances, Passover, taking His Name in Vain, etc. Do not listen to deceivers of try and say Jesus only meant the few commandments He said here. He was clearly speaking to the Laws God Gave to His People in the Law and Prophets.

All these are part of the Law of Faith. What HE didn't mention was the Levitical Priesthood Law which required men to bring a sacrifice to a Levite and kill it, then the Levite Priest must take the blood and perform Priesthood "Works of the Law" before a man can be forgiven. These were the "Law of Works" that the Jews were "bewitching" the New Converts with.

The implication of mainstream preaching is that the Pharisees were trying to get the New Converts to Love God and Love their neighbor as themselves. And the Apostles were preaching against that. If a man considers all of God's Word as Jesus instructed, this deception is easily exposed.

Jesus warned about these folks as well.

Don't be deceived by these "ministers of righteousness" who would bring you back under the Yoke of Bondage of deceit and sin, back under the curse of the law which is death. If men work transgression of God's commandments, Statutes, Laws and Judgments, (AKA Iniquity) there is no truth in them, and even though they may call Jesus Lord, Lord, He doesn't know them.. At least, according to the Christ of the Bible.
 
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not the law of faith, which excludes boasting.

Where is boasting found?
In the mouth of a heretic.

They sound like this.....>"well, i know that Jesus saved me......but now let me show you how i keep from losing my salvation, = See, i dont really trust in Christ, i trust in SELF.""""
 
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It is written that when Abraham's children cried out in Egypt, God remembered His Covenant with Abraham.
The time of the covenant was the 4th generation.
Excluding Isaac, Jacob and the twelve patriarchs from this covenant.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

It was a covenant that promised judgment on the nations whose land they would inherit.

This Covenant included God's Laws, God's Judgments, God's Commandments and God's Statutes that Abraham obeyed.
Scripture tells us of God's judgement of the nations.
Le 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Le 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
Le 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Here is one such command he Judged the nations for
11 The nakedness of thy father’s wife’s daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Abraham said of Sarah...…..….
Ge 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

Jacob married two sisters
Ge 30:8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name
Lev 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time



These Laws, Commandments, and Statutes were not enumerated in the Scriptures until the 2nd Book of the Bible. But as you correctly say, they existed.
it is enumerated what the nations were Judged for.

And it is said here
De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

New covenant needed...…….
De 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
 
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Where is boasting found?
In the mouth of a heretic.

They sound like this.....>"well, i know that Jesus saved me......but now let me show you how i keep from losing my salvation, = See, i dont really trust in Christ, i trust in SELF.""""

Actually it's just the opposite if one trusts the actual Word's over the Bible as opposed of the "Many" religious voices in the Land.

"Well, I have HOPE and Faith that the Word's of the Word of God which became Flesh are true, therefore, I believe in Him and follow HIS Instruction instead of the "Ministers of Righteousness" who transgress God's Commandments by their own ancient religious traditions."

In this way, my Faith is not in the religions of the land, as it was for the Mainstream Preachers, and those who followed them in Jesus' time, but in the Christ of the Bible. Paul confirms this in Rom. 6.

Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin (disobedience) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, (disobedience) but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, (disobedience) ye became the servants of righteousness. (obedience)

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time, were more interested in preserving their ancient man made religious traditions, than humbling, and "Yielding" themselves to the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh.

Jesus and His Prophets of Old prophesied about this very thing in our time.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.
 
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Actually it's just the opposite if one trusts the actual Word's over the Bible as opposed of the "Many" religious voices in the Land.
So you and all who agree with you are the only ones listening to the Bible? And therein ends all discussion.
 
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I do agree that the Pharisees/Levite Priests, who Jesus said were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men, were pushing their man made version of the Levitical Priesthood on to the people.
No the Pharisees were the sect with traditions. The Sadducees were not in agreement with their traditions.
But there was a Levitical Priesthood Law "ADDED" because of Transgressions. A Priesthood Abraham didn't have as Levi was not even born yet. A Priesthood after the order of Aaron, not Melchizedek.
Levi was in the loins of his father Abraham when Melchizedek met him.
Heb. 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

A Levite Priest was appointed by another Levite according to the Priesthood Laws given exclusively to Levi. They performed "works or Deeds" of this Priesthood Law for the atonement of sins. This Law was not of faith, but of works. It was truly the "Law of Works" not the Law of Faith.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

These Priesthood Laws of Atonement were to foreshadow the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God. To "lead them to Christ", and for those who believed God, like Zacharias and Simeon, it did just that.

But the Sacrificial "works of the Law" did nothing to actually cleanse the sin.

Heb. 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

This "ADDED" LAW was a carnal Law. This Added Law was not of Faith, but of works. This Covenant that God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai on Israels behalf, is the "first Covenant" God made with Israel. Everything else given them were God's Spiritual Law of Faith.

This is the Law that became obsolete. Replaced by a better ministry, a New Covenant in which we are no longer required to find a Levite Priest to hear the Word of God. And we are no longer required to take a sin offering to a Levite Priest who would then perform "works" which cleansed sins "Till the Seed should come". After those days God Himself would atone for our sins. As Prophesied in the promised New Covenant.
I think you really should read Paul.
Two covenants were made with Abraham and his seed. The women are allegories for these covenants.
Gen 15 speaks of his seed 12 princes
Gen 17 speaks of kings The royal covenant

Ge 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Kings for seed
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

James speaks of the law of freedom, and royal law
Hear Jesus
Mt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? {tribute: called in the original, didrachma, being in value fifteen pence sterling; about thirty seven cents }
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
Royal law, royal priesthood. Of the Children of the free woman in Christ Jesus.
 
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So you and all who agree with you are the only ones listening to the Bible? And therein ends all discussion.

I'm posting scriptures and discussing them. It's not about me, though it appears you must make it so. It's not about you, though you seem offended by it.

It's about believing ALL that is written in Scriptures, VS. believing the religious man that the Word of God which became Flesh warns over and over and over and over and over again.
 
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