And most of you are saying that God will put you into the Lake of Fire until you submit and repent. But there is no logic in that at all. Ashes can't repent, period.
Ashes can't be tormented. But that's what the people - alive - in the lake of fire will be doing. Namely, being tormented. The Bible says so (Rev.14:11; 20:10). So who's being illogical?
Yes, every knee will bow and to the glory of God when Christ returns and that will give God glory because he deserves it after all the wickedness done and done even against him. It doesn't mean they'll repent.
Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for the eons of the eons.
Isa.45:21b and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Phil.2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that IN the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
"Keep in mind these 2 simple observations:
(1) The text In Isaiah 45:22-23 that inspires 2:9-11 uses the future tense.
(2) The other NT text referring to the worship of everyone “in heaven, on earth, and under the earth” presents a vision of what happens, not of what might happen (Rev. 5:13)."
Philippians 2:9-11 – ‘should’ vs ‘will’
"“In looking at Phil. 2:10, “That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,”...“In the Name of Jesus” (Greek and R. V.) means more than simply using the name of Jesus. It signifies, according to the Hebrew idiom, in the very nature of Jesus. This implies not only a change of heart, but that He has bestowed His own nature and spirit. Besides, the confession is that “Jesus Christ is Lord.” No hypocritical confession will satisfy God. “No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost” (1Cor. 12:3). Further, Phil. 2:11 says that the confession is “to the glory of God the Father.” No confession compulsion and force would glorify God the Father.” The whole text implies a real change of heart to make this confession truly “in the Name of Jesus” and “to the glory of God the Father.” Note, further, that those who “bow” and “confess” are in heaven," “in earth,” and “underearth.” This includes the whole creation of God."
Is Hell Eternal? Or Will God's Plan Fail? Ch. 8 The Neglected Age
IMO Rev.5:13 is a vision of universal worship of the Lamb who was slain for them. There is nothing in the context suggesting coerced or forced or anything less than the
genuine worship of true believers. No mention of a trap door suddenly opening & those not saved being sucked into the lake of fire after they worship the Lamb. So it is
evidently referring to universal salvation & a time when all those who went into the lake of fire having become saved.
I see the reference to the "sea" being included so that no one would get the idea that anyone is excluded, such as, for example, an annihilationist saying it is a reference to only the saved after the unsaved are annihilated in the lake of fire.
The vision John sees is universal worship of the Lamb in a redemptive context. This is what he sees as a - vision - in the present tense. Clearly it is not actually happening then. It is to be fulfilled in the future. That can only happen when everyone is saved, so after the last lost soul in the lake of fire is brought to Christ.
Other similar passages support that conclusion:
Isa.45:21b and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Phil.2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that IN the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Even Satan and the angels believe in God.
Believing in Love Omnipotent's existence is one thing. Believing "into Him" with saving faith is something entirely different. Many people believe in the existence of God, but that doesn't save them, either.
Christ is savior to the entire world but that simply means he is the "only" way the world can be saved, not that everyone will.
Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.
The "His people" referred to are Israel (2:6) of the context. IOW people like Judas Iscariot, the son of perdition, & the Pharisees who were rejecting Christ & Israelites who will end up in the lake of fire. Mt.1:21 says He "shall" (not will try to) save them.
Nope, non demontial Christian that left the Baptist church when I saw many of the doctrines they taught were not biblical- pretrib rapture, eternal hell, etc
Evidently you & some SDA's here recently presented several of the same misrepresentations about universalism, amongst other similarities in comments.
Again, there is a condition there- those hearing the word and believing. When you are ashes, there is no hearing the word, no believing.
That's unfortunate that Love Omnipotent has an expiry date on His love like a carton of milk & was forced to do the endless Hitler job on them. Oh well. Hope you make it, anyway.
And God doesn't want to have to throw someone into the lake of fire for someone to love him, that's not true love.
Oh? So it wasn't "true love" what Love Omnipotent did to Job's family & body? Or what the Saviour of the world did in giving Paul a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to buffet him? Or giving a stubbornly sinning "brother" in the church over to Satan for destruction of the flesh? Or making women suffer in child birth?
So instead of spanking a child in tough love, you'ld consider true love to be what? Burning the child to death with torments in a lake of fire? And when that child's torments have ceased & he's finally dead & nonexistent, never bring him back again or love him again for all the endless ages of etenity? That's a long time for an all powerful Almighty Omnipotent Omniscient Being Who - IS - Love (the kind that sacrifices itself on a cross) to hate & hold a grudge against someone for the mistakes of a very brief life.
If Love Almighty doesn't save all, is it because He is lacking in power, love or wisdom? He doesn't want to, or is unable to?
"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."
"Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth". -Albert Einstein
"The simplest way to know if someone is preaching the gospel of grace is to evaluate whether the teaching glorifies our Lord Jesus."
"I'm reminded of the movie Ben Hur. When Ben Hur encountered Jesus at the cross, he comes away and says "I felt him take the sword out of my hand." "
Love Omnipotent loves you more than you can imagine!
Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism
This has been about God and Satan since the Katabole (overthrow, foundation of the world) And it continues to be about that. Paul says we are to have the full armour in place. And seeing how Satan knows the word better than most Christians, that's a smart decision. Satan has one more chance after the 1000 years because God wants to be very sure who will decide to follow him or Satan. He's very long suffering and even at that point wants to give many a chance to repent and come into the fold. This is his plan and it's biblical. If the lake of fire was his ultimate plan for salvation, it makes all of this, null and void which is simply not the case.
Not at all. Who said the lake of fire is "his ultimate plan for salvation". His plan A is you get saved now. If not then He doesn't throw you away like a piece of garbage forever, but has a plan B. If you're smart you'll choose plan A. Just as if you're smart you'll obey the law. If not it may be the school of hard knocks for you. What you sow you reap. Sow love you'll reap love. Sow fear you'll reap fear.
But I never saw anything that would make me believe will God will rejuvinate someone from ash.
I can't say i've ever read in the Bible of an angelic spirit being becoming ashes. Or anyone becoming ashes forever. Maybe you can find a verse. But your post didn't quote a single Bible verse or give a single reference to a book with chapter & verse supporting anything you said in it. OTOH my post, as usual, was full of Scripture quotes & references supporting my views.