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I have been wondering this for a while? Does it mean just the bad things in the world (sin) or literal physical things (like material possessions, music, games, tv, etc), and if it means the latter, how are those things bad in and of themselves? Does "love not the world" mean not to be obsessed with these things, or to enjoy them at all? What does it mean to "be in the world but not of the world"? Does it mean to avoid the sinful things and enjoy the things that are okay, or to enjoy nothing, just to live and be present in the world, not being cut off from the public?
 

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I only offer the word "worldly from Titus from the "Complete Word study New Testament." Titus 2:11-12 (KJV)
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

kosmikós; fem. kosmiké, neut. kosmikón, adj. from kósmos <G2889>, world. Worldly, what belongs to the world. In the NT, it corresponds to the idea of kósmos <G2889>, world (Heb. 9:1), the opposite of heavenly and spiritual (Heb. 9:11). In Titus 2:12 "worldly lusts" pertain to those desires of the world which estrange a person from God (Eph. 2:1, 2).

Syn.: sarkikós <G4559>, fleshly, carnal; sōmatikós <G4984>, bodily; phusikós <G5446>, physical.

One could view this as narrow, those things that clearly forbidden from God, such as the lusts mentioned here, to more of a broader view, where even sports and gaming would be "worldly." That probably is not much help, but your own conscience and the guidance of the Holy Spirit can tell you.
 
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Hello @BigBowBoi, our focus is to be on Jesus and on our future life with Him, not on the things of this world .. e.g. Psalm 37:4; Matthew 6:33; Romans 12:2; 1 John 2:15-16.

There are many "worldly" things that are not sinful, and therefore not forbidden, in and of themselves, but whenever they begin to distract us/cause us to take our eyes off of Him, as well then off of seeking His Kingdom and His righteousness (before and above all else) then we need to turn away from them and back towards Him.

The Lord does this for all of us who are His, because He knows how distracting and dangerous the slavish love that we all have for the things of this world can be for us, so He uses the fittest means possible to draw our attention away from the things of this world and back to where it needs to be, on Him and on the eternity to come with Him.

Here's part 1 (of 6) from a section of Institutes of the Christian Religion that has many interesting thoughts to consider (and should prove to be useful to you). If you'd like to read more on the subject, just let me know and I'll post the other 5 sections too (I've found that Calvin's full meaning is often missed and/or misunderstood from a partial reading of his thoughts on a matter, just FYI).


CHAPTER IX
MEDITATION ON THE FUTURE LIFE

(By our tribulations God weans us from excessive love of this present life, 1–2)

1. The vanity of this life
Whatever kind of tribulation presses upon us, we must ever look to this end: to accustom ourselves to contempt for the present life and to be aroused thereby to meditate upon the future life. For since God knows best how much we are inclined by nature to a brutish love of this world, he uses the fittest means to draw us back and to shake off our sluggishness, lest we cleave too tenaciously to that love.

There is not one of us, indeed, who does not wish to seem throughout his life to aspire and strive after heavenly immortality. For it is a shame for us to be no better than brute beasts, whose condition would be no whit inferior to our own if there were not left to us hope of eternity after death. But if you examine the plans, the efforts, the deeds, of anyone, there you will find nothing else but earth.

Now our blockishness arises from the fact that our minds, stunned by the empty dazzlement of riches, power, and honors, become so deadened that they can see no farther. The heart also, occupied with avarice, ambition, and lust, is so weighed down that it cannot rise up higher. In fine, the whole soul, enmeshed in the allurements of the flesh, seeks its happiness on earth.

To counter this evil the Lord instructs his followers in the vanity of the present life by continual proof of its miseries. Therefore, that they may not promise themselves a deep and secure peace in it, he permits them often to be troubled and plagued either with wars or tumults, or robberies, or other injuries. That they may not pant with too great eagerness after fleeting and transient riches, or repose in those which they possess, he sometimes by exile, sometimes by barrenness of the earth, sometimes by fire, sometimes by other means, reduces them to poverty, or at least confines them to a moderate station. That they may not too complacently take delight in the goods of marriage, he either causes them to be troubled by the depravity of their wives or humbles them by evil offspring, or afflicts them with bereavement. But if, in all these matters, he is more indulgent toward them, yet, that they may not either be puffed up with vainglory or exult in self-assurance, he sets before their eyes, through diseases and perils, how unstable and fleeting are all the goods that are subject to mortality.

Then only do we rightly advance by the discipline of the Cross, when we learn that this life, judged in itself, is troubled, turbulent, unhappy in countless ways, and in no respect clearly happy; that all those things which are judged to be its goods are uncertain, fleeting, vain, and vitiated by many intermingled evils. From this, at the same time, we conclude that in this life we are to seek and hope for nothing but struggle; when we think of our crown, we are to raise our eyes to heaven. For this we must believe: that the mind is never seriously aroused to desire and ponder the life to come unless it be previously imbued with contempt for the present life.
~Calvin, J. Institutes of the Christian Religion & 2. (J. T. McNeill, Ed., F. L. Battles, Trans.) (Vol. 1, pp. 712–713).
--David

Hebrews 12
7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness.
11 All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

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That's the billion dollar question, isn't it. I understand "worldly" to pertain to "the world" when "the world" refers to "the realm of sin." Not all instances of "the world" are negative in that sense (i.e. John 3:16).

If anyone tells you that something is "worldly," they need to have a better justification than, "people in the world do this." People in the world eat breakfast, wear clothing, and care for their families. Not everything they do is wrong. Plenty they do is wrong, but it's going to be wrong for a different reason than the one provided in this case.
 
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I have been wondering this for a while? Does it mean just the bad things in the world (sin) or literal physical things (like material possessions, music, games, tv, etc), and if it means the latter, how are those things bad in and of themselves? Does "love not the world" mean not to be obsessed with these things, or to enjoy them at all? What does it mean to "be in the world but not of the world"? Does it mean to avoid the sinful things and enjoy the things that are okay, or to enjoy nothing, just to live and be present in the world, not being cut off from the public?

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.​

Worldly means loving this life more than the life to come.

Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it​

To love this life is to lose it. Lot's wife loved this life so she was frozen in place as a pillar of salt.
 
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Worldly is of the flesh which often overrides the spirit. The flesh is self serving, being as it is our animal nature and that nature instinctively seeks survival, thus gain at the expense of others. Drop God's spirit into that and you get an interesting hybrid, one loving all as self, the other focused on self.

We've never had much luck domesticating ourselves, most maintaining their feral nature. Turn on the news or watch politics for examples. Man needs to see past identifying himself with his body and the traditions of man. Time to see ourselves for who we really are, all extensions of God.
 
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I have been wondering this for a while? Does it mean just the bad things in the world (sin) or literal physical things (like material possessions, music, games, tv, etc), and if it means the latter, how are those things bad in and of themselves? Does "love not the world" mean not to be obsessed with these things, or to enjoy them at all? What does it mean to "be in the world but not of the world"? Does it mean to avoid the sinful things and enjoy the things that are okay, or to enjoy nothing, just to live and be present in the world, not being cut off from the public?

worldly is the physical ... we are to be spiritual minded ... keeping our minds on the kingdom of heaven and not the things of this world.

Colossians 3:2 ESV / 45 helpful votes
Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.
 
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Time to see ourselves for who we really are, all extensions of God.
Hello Timothy, if we are all simply, "extensions of God", then why does He need to:

1. give us the "right" to become His child .. John 1:12, or

2. change us, by giving us a "new heart and a new spirit" and the Holy Spirit .. Ezekiel 36:26-27, to make coming to Him our heart's desire ... or even ~possible~ for that matter .. e.g. John 6:44, 65; cf Romans 3:10-12; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:1-3? (since we know that, left as we are born/in our natural state, we'd all chose to live out our eternity in Hell, rather than with Him :()

Why does He have to quicken/regenerate us (make us alive, spiritually .. Ephesians 2:4-5) and cause us to be "born again", for us to be able to "see" or "enter into" His Kingdom .. John 3:3, 5-6?

Finally, why does God need to 1. save us and 2. make us, "His workmanship", as wholly, "new creatures", in Christ .. e.g. Ephesians 2:8-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17, before we can or will begin to live/act like Christians are supposed to (before any of us will ever choose to live a holy, rather than a sinful lifestyle in this world, before we will choose to do good/righteous deeds in His Name, and before we would ever choose to seek Him and/or His Kingdom) .. if we are all truly & simply, "extensions of His", from birth :scratch:

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you in some way however? If so, please elaborate.

Thanks :)

--David

1 Corinthians 1
18 The word of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2
14 A 'natural' man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
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I have been wondering this for a while? Does it mean just the bad things in the world (sin) or literal physical things (like material possessions, music, games, tv, etc), and if it means the latter, how are those things bad in and of themselves? Does "love not the world" mean not to be obsessed with these things, or to enjoy them at all? What does it mean to "be in the world but not of the world"? Does it mean to avoid the sinful things and enjoy the things that are okay, or to enjoy nothing, just to live and be present in the world, not being cut off from the public?
I believe that being worldly is about having a dog eat dog, do it to them before they do it to you, kill or be killed mentality, where everyone sells out others for their own self gain.
 
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He does nothing without our permission does He.
Hello again Timothy, please give us some Biblical examples that demonstrate our utter sovereignty over God (because I cannot think of any at the moment :scratch:).

Thanks :)

--David
p.s. - I'll follow-up on your second comment in my next post, but I'd like to focus on this one, "He does nothing w/o our permission", first. Thanks again!!

Isaiah 45
9 "I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'"

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that demonstrate our utter sovereignty over God
Nothing to do with utter sovereignty. Since the Garden we have had the choice to put our will ahead of His or to put His before our own. Many just use God to justify their actions falsely saying it is His will. His will means allowing Him to work through us, not us working saying it is in His name. Our will is self oriented, His will is about others.
 
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If you can not take it to heaven, it is worldly.
Jesus tells us in Matthew 22:30 that the married will not take their marriages into Heaven. Are the worldly? If so, are they the same kind of "worldly" that is mentioned in 1 John 2:15?
 
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Jesus tells us in Matthew 22:30 that the married will not take their marriages into Heaven. Are the worldly? If so, are they the same kind of "worldly" that is mentioned in 1 John 2:15?

Not sure if these addressing the same issues.
Jesus is saying at the resurrection, now the questions is will people marry on the new earth.
 
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Not sure if these addressing the same issues.
Jesus is saying at the resurrection, now the questions is will people marry on the new earth.
My point is that those of us who are married will not be able to take those unions with us when we go to Heaven, yet marriage is regarded in the New Testament as a holy thing that requires attention and care. Therefore, if we define "worldly" as anything that we cannot take to Heaven, that's too broad a scope for determining what is right, and what is wrong, since people who say that various mundane things are wrong claim they are "worldly" as their justification. I'm taking this focus because of what the OP is asking, and has asked in various other threads.
 
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My point is that those of us who are married will not be able to take those unions with us when we go to Heaven, yet marriage is regarded in the New Testament as a holy thing that requires attention and care. Therefore, if we define "worldly" as anything that we cannot take to Heaven, that's too broad a scope for determining what is right, and what is wrong, since people who say that various mundane things are wrong claim they are "worldly" as their justification. I'm taking this focus because of what the OP is asking, and has asked in various other threads.

But the verse you posted says nothing about heaven, it is speaking about the resurrection.
 
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My point is that those of us who are married will not be able to take those unions with us when we go to Heaven, yet marriage is regarded in the New Testament as a holy thing that requires attention and care.
Respect and avoiding adultery fall under loving all as self. Practical for the human body, but as the teachings of Jesus show, not the body but the entity will be transformed and without male or female let alone flesh to unite, what is the purpose of marriage in the Kingdom. We are to see each other as who we really are while here so that we may be those beings in the Kingdom. What you do to me you do to yourself.
 
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