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miknik5

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What do you mean?
Read his post...He said I offered you this...but it would have to take a commitment on our part; if we wanted to know something we would have to take the time to study to learn...

Well, I said yes...I agree to that, because that is our response to you as well...regarding THE TRUTH
 
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Read his post...He said I offered you this...but it would have to take a commitment on our part if we wanted to know something that would take time to learn...

Well, I said yes...I agree to that, because that is our response to you as well...regarding THE TRUTH
Ahh, I see.
 
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Matthew 7:1

I don't think you've read that verse, nor the following verses carefully, but that's basically the same thing most Christians get from the verse; "don't judge me, Jesus said so!". That's not what he's saying at all, but it's convenient for you to believe it, so I'll let you believe it. Good luck.
 
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How was I predisposed?

You stated you had some experiences that you believed were from God, and this was at a time when you were not completely convinced he existed (since you did not claim to know God existed at that time). It was only later that you claimed to come to knowledge that God existed.
 
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1 corinthians 2:14 through 1 Corinthians 2:15

Or, you can simply read all of 1 corinthians 2 which is far better than snippets

Or, actually, you can read all of 1 Corinthians and follow up with 2 Corinthians which is even better

Or read all of the New Testament which is best

Now is actually the best time because with life slowed down, maybe you can fit in some time reading the WORD of TRUTH.

Just a suggestion...

It came to mind because of post 765

I don't see how that address my post telling you that the Bible tells you not to judge me. Was that whole post of yours your response to that, telling me that you're going to judge me anyway? Or did you get to the actual point I asked you to give me a basic version of Jesus' instructions, as per my post 757?
 
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I don't think you've read that verse, nor the following verses carefully, but that's basically the same thing most Christians get from the verse; "don't judge me, Jesus said so!". That's not what he's saying at all, but it's convenient for you to believe it, so I'll let you believe it. Good luck.

I have read the Bible, y'know.

But of course, you'd assume that I haven't because I didn't reach the same conclusion about it that you did. And now we have the "making excuses for why a particular passage doesn't mean what the atheist thinks it means, it only means what the Christian thinks it means" part of the discussion.

And again I note that you are telling me that I am wrong, but you are not actually telling me what the "right" interpretation is. I've found many Christians do that. All they do is tell atheists that they are wrong, but they never say what is right.
 
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And again I note that you are telling me that I am wrong

Yeah, but you're also telling me that I'm wrong for telling you that you're wrong, which makes you a hypocrite. You don't actually care about fair or right judgment; you're just using a bible verse because you think it suits your argument in the moment. I'd be happy to chat with you about the teachings of Jesus, but so far you've used your husband as an excuse, you've used your child as an excuse, you've used your job as an excuse, and now you're even trying to use Jesus' own teachings against him.

You are not sincere, Kylie.
 
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You stated you had some experiences that you believed were from God, and this was at a time when you were not completely convinced he existed (since you did not claim to know God existed at that time). It was only later that you claimed to come to knowledge that God existed.
I was open to His existence if that is what you mean.
 
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Yeah, but you're also telling me that I'm wrong for telling you that you're wrong, which makes you a hypocrite.

When did I do that?

I've been trying to correct your idea that I'm just an atheist who would do whatever it takes to remain an unbeliever. I can't tell you how many times I've had to tell you that I'm not like that at all, yet you seem to insist on refusing to accept it.

I've also pointed out that by doing so, you are judging me, which is something that the Bible has specifically told you not to do.

You don't actually care about fair or right judgment; you're just using a bible verse because you think it suits your argument in the moment.

Look, there's more of that judging and not believing me.

I'd be happy to chat with you about the teachings of Jesus, but so far you've used your husband as an excuse, you've used your child as an excuse, you've used your job as an excuse, and now you're even trying to use Jesus' own teachings against him.

You are not sincere, Kylie.

Wow, you seem determined to find any excuse to not give me a simple list of things that the Bible/Jesus said to do.

You make a big speech about how I'm doing it wrong, yet when the time comes for you to tell me how to do it right, all of a sudden, you've got nothing.
 
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Were you equally open to God's NON-existence?
There was a time when I decided to consider that maybe God does not exist. But in very little time, I also started to be open to the idea that I, too, do not exist. That was how open I was.
I was convinced with bad evidence.
I then decided that since so many people did believe in God, I would. And a seminary guy said it is "reasonable" that I exist, and I accepted that.

But I would say that logic and humanly knowable evidence have not gotten me to how I experience God to be, and find this represented in the Bible.
 
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There was a time when I decided to consider that maybe God does not exist. But in very little time, I also started to be open to the idea that I, too, do not exist. That was how open I was.

But you were always leaning towards the God does exist side, were you?
 
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You make a big speech about how I'm doing it wrong, yet when the time comes for you to tell me how to do it right, all of a sudden, you've got nothing.

I think this will be my last post to you, Kylie. Remember the topic when we first started conversing? It was about God not responding to your demand that he make himself known to you, and if he wasn't gonna jump through the hoops then you'd simply refuse to believe in him.

I countered by suggesting that perhaps God already knows that even if he did make himself known to you, you'd not appreciate it. You'd find some excuse to continue disregarding his will for your life, thus making his efforts to prove himself to you useless.

I think that very same principle has been demonstrated in our back-and-forth. For example you said:

Wow, you seem determined to find any excuse to not give me a simple list of things that the Bible/Jesus said to do.

But, I did already give you some examples; when I asked you to either go back through the posts to find them or to try to remember, you said you were too busy with other things for either of those options. I further explained that I felt you were not properly listening or appreciating the contributions I made, and your response was to get angry that I was judging you.

When I suggested that you were judging me for judging you, thus doing the very same thing (i.e. judging) that you accused me of, you didn't seem capable of comprehending such a simple issue. You asked, "When did I do that" and then proceeded to do more judging of me in that very same post.

There was a previous incident with the "ask Jesus into your heart" thing. You accused me of bringing that up suddenly as though it was some new argument I was dumping on you, so I went back through the correspondence and found 5 instances where I had commented on that issue extensively. In response you just ignored that factual detail.

Over and over again you simply are not listening to or thinking carefully about what I say to you. You move from one issue to the next without any resolution to my counter argument or even a recognition that I've made a counter argument.

All of this is to say that you are not in the right frame of mind to hear from God. Even if he did deign to reach out to you, you'd simply not hear it. You would argue and fight and shift just as you've done with me here. You earlier suggested that what God really should do is to so completely overwhelm you with his power that you'd have no choice but that's not what he's looking for and it's a sad commentary on your own psychological/spiritual state that you'd think such an option is better than freely choosing to follow God based on the goodness of his character and other spiritual qualities.
 
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