LDS Could the Mormon god have been a sinner?

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Yes, I admit that.
Thank you for admitting you were misrepresenting your beliefs.
you need to get around a so-called plurality of Gods problem
This "so-called" problem is only yours, not for Christians in general.
We have no problem with the plurality of Gods, especially when that plurality includes only God the Father, God the Son-Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit.
But your "plurality" does not include "only" those 3. Your doctrine has a "council of the gods", with an unknown/undefined number of gods in attendance. You have an infinite regression of "God the Fathers" who came before your current one. Plus, you have your Heavenly Mother(s) to account for. Yes, you do have a god problem.
 
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Which only means that you're continually incorrect.


Biblical Christianity teaches that salvation from sin is free and full in Jesus. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus alone (Ephesians 2:8-9) as God revealed.

Cherry picking and misunderstanding the scriptures will not lead to salvation:

(New Testament | Ephesians 2:8 - 9)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Missing the word alone in that scripture. We are NOT saved by grace and faith alone:

(New Testament | Luke 4:4)

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
 
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You've asked two questions so I subsequently divided your reply to these answers:

1A: Simply put … no.
2A: Of course, however biblical Christianity has always taught the simple Gospel message what Jesus revealed many times in various ways: "believe and you will be saved".

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." ~ Jesus
How can you possilby know that I have not had an experience with the Holy Spirit and I know and believe that Jesus is the Christ. You take too much upon yourself to simply say: ....no.
In fact, I would say that is rather judgmental.

One of the simple ways that Jesus taught his gospel was when he taught that a person must believe and then he is saved. But then again, Jesus taught us that a person must believe and be baptized in order to be saved. But now there seems to be 2 things a person must do to be saved.

Which scripture do I follow, John 3:16 or Mark 16:16?

To complicate things even further, Peter told at least 3,000 people (who believed on Jesus Christ) on the day of Pentecost, what they needed to do in order to be members of the new Church of Jesus Christ. He told them to:
1) repent
2) be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins
3) then they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Spirit).

And when they had done this, 3,000 persons were added to the church.

So now which scripture do we follow: John 3:16, or Mark 16:16, or Acts 2:37-38?
 
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Not close at all!
Not close at all, are you kidding?

You believe 1 God in 3 distinct persons.
We believe 1 God in 3 distinct and separate Gods. (the bible refers to each as Gods, or the bible also refers to the word "Godhead", which the Oxford Dictionary says is used in the Christian religion to mean God, but includes the Father , Son, and Holy Spriit.
The word that the bible does not use to describe these 3 Gods is "Persons".)

Don't glibly say that we are not close at all. We are almost exactly the same. The word "separate", and "Gods vs Persons" is the sum total of the difference.

And believe me, in 1 minute when we meet Jesus, we will all know for sure who is right, and who was just a little off.
 
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I have never met nor heard of a Mormon who did greater works than Christ.
Ya think? But does that negate the words directly from Jesus's mouth that us mortals that believe in Jesus could do greater works than he did?
John 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Men and women in our church have done many wonderful works similar to the works of Jesus. That is actually a sign of the true church. Have they done greater works than him? I do not know.

I suspect in the history you can find that someone raised a person from the dead, like Lazarus.
I know with the keys of the kingdom of heaven, men can forgive sin and heaven will recognize it.

I do not believe that a man in our church could give his life and save all mankind. I do not believe a man in our church could resurrect anyone. These mighty works are left for Jesus himself, I don't think he was referring to these works when he said greater works........

Pretty tough to top Jesus.
 
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The Mormon father god might very well have sinned. He lived on an earth and everyine there had ti have a fallen nature just as they do on this earth.

"How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours?

"...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through...."

Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 152-153
Do you think this earth was a one and done?
 
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So you are saying that people should NOT worship God the Father, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Ghost?

No, they should worship the true God, not your false gods. Your gods may have names, but they are false gods that Joseph Smith taught. He hated the true God.
 
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No, they should worship the true God, not your false gods. Your gods may have names, but they are false gods that Joseph Smith taught. He hated the true God.
We worship the true God of the Bible, God the Father:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Even though Jesus Christ is Lord, He was worshiped in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. He is our Savior and there is no other Savior. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost make up the Godhead. Jesus is the firstborn:

(New Testament | Colossians 1:12 - 15)

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

He is in the exact image of the Father:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
 
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Cherry picking and misunderstanding the scriptures will not lead to salvation:
Being that Biblical Christianity doesn't then best not forget that God reveled it'll be rude awaking when outer darkness awaits those fail to keep the commandments error-free.

(New Testament | Ephesians 2:8 - 9)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Missing the word alone in that scripture. We are NOT saved by grace and faith alone:

(New Testament | Luke 4:4)

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Sayings like these:
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (New Testament | John 6:29)

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(New Testament | John 6:40)
Mormonism is against the work and will of God according to what Jesus revealed as being.
 
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How can you possilby know that I have not had an experience with the Holy Spirit and I know and believe that Jesus is the Christ. You take too much upon yourself to simply say: ....no.
In fact, I would say that is rather judgmental....[snip] ………..
How is simply done by:
  1. comparing what Mormonism beliefs state vs what God revealed in the Bible.
  2. taking into account that Mormonism redefines Biblical terminology
that isn't being judgmental but recognizing the fruit.
 
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Being that Biblical Christianity doesn't then best not forget that God reveled it'll be rude awaking when outer darkness awaits those fail to keep the commandments error-free.



Sayings like these:
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (New Testament | John 6:29)

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(New Testament | John 6:40)
Mormonism is against the work and will of God according to what Jesus revealed as being.
I know what Jesus Has revealed, is it wise to turn against His word?:

(New Testament | 2 Thessalonians 3:4 - 14)

4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:9)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

(New Testament | Romans 6:15 - 16)

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

(New Testament | Acts 2:38)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(New Testament | Luke 4:4)

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
 
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How is simply done by:
  1. comparing what Mormonism beliefs state vs what God revealed in the Bible.
  2. taking into account that Mormonism redefines Biblical terminology
that isn't being judgmental but recognizing the fruit.
Is it not true that from the bible, it says that if you believe in Jesus Christ you will be saved?
These are the words of Jesus, as recorded by John in the bible.(see John 3:16)

We believe this statement is true. Do you believe it is true also?

Is it not true that from the bible, it says that if you believe and are baptized you will be saved.These are the words of Jesus too, recorded in the bible by Mark. (see Mark 16:16)

We believe this statement is true also. Do you believe this statement?

It also says in the bible that one must believe and then repent, and then be baptized, and then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (see Acts 2:37-38)

That is what we believe too. Do you believe what Peter said here on the day of Pentacost?

Tell me truthfully do you believe these 3 scriptures are telling you the truth?
John 3:16
Mark 16:16
Acts 2:37-38
 
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How is simply done by:
  1. comparing what Mormonism beliefs state vs what God revealed in the Bible.
  2. taking into account that Mormonism redefines Biblical terminology
that isn't being judgmental but recognizing the fruit.
And you did not even try to answer my post, because it would catch you in a trap and so you did not answer. Try again, and tell me which of the 3 scriptures you believe in, because you should believe in all 3 like we do.

And if you don't then it is you that is redefining Biblical terminology, not us.

So back up your claim.
 
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I know what Jesus Has revealed, is it wise to turn against His word?: ... [snip] (New Testament | Luke 4:4)

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
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Correct every word … including proper correct context.
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times Jesus talks about believing. But he never even mentions works. The topic being spoken about is everlasting or eternal life, i.e. being saved. This, Jesus says, comes solely through believing.

John 3:15-18
“That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God”

Scriptural states that we are saved without any of our doing:
“For by grace are we saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” Ephesians 2:8-9
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Why not obedience to the commandments? … Because of every word of God
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But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
 
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Is it not true that from the bible, it says that if you believe in Jesus Christ you will be saved?
These are the words of Jesus, as recorded by John in the bible.(see John 3:16)

We believe this statement is true. Do you believe it is true also?

Is it not true that from the bible, it says that if you believe and are baptized you will be saved.These are the words of Jesus too, recorded in the bible by Mark. (see Mark 16:16)

We believe this statement is true also. Do you believe this statement?

It also says in the bible that one must believe and then repent, and then be baptized, and then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (see Acts 2:37-38)

That is what we believe too. Do you believe what Peter said here on the day of Pentacost?

Tell me truthfully do you believe these 3 scriptures are telling you the truth?
John 3:16
Mark 16:16
Acts 2:37-38
Each of those are the truth when correctly understood in and through Biblical Christianity … something that you yourself openly reject.
 
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And you did not even try to answer my post, because it would catch you in a trap and so you did not answer. Try again, and tell me which of the 3 scriptures you believe in, because you should believe in all 3 like we do.

And if you don't then it is you that is redefining Biblical terminology, not us.

So back up your claim.
Your unwillingness to hear isn't Biblical Christians responsibility to debate you from despite multiple answers given over many repeated times through out the various different OP's and \ or respondents other than myself.

btw: Jesus too didn't bother answering trap questions either.
 
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