Is the weekly Sabbath an eternal moral law for humanity?

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Well the text in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 does not say "because Hebrew slaves were not allowed to rest". It says "therefore the Lord blessed" and "THEN the Lord blessed and sanctified...". It speaks of day 7 of creation week ... long before there was a single Jew or Egyptian.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That really works -- if and only if you're governed by the Old Covenant. If you're a Jew you might have a point, but there is no such rule under the New Covenant.

Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Get it? According to the experts in the Old Covenant, Jesus Christ did not keep the Sabbath!
 
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Interesting translation. The sabbath came because of mankind. This could mean the sabbath came because mankind weren't resting. And that makes sense because the Israelite's were slaves and worked 7 days a week.

Well the text in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 does not say "because Hebrew slaves were not allowed to rest". It says "therefore the Lord blessed" and "THEN the Lord blessed and sanctified...". It speaks of day 7 of creation week ... long before there was a single Jew or Egyptian.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

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That really works -- if and only if you're governed by the Old Covenant.

1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind. Ex 20:11 is pointing to the creation of the world not "the creation of Jews" for the 7th day rest.

2. No Bible text says "all scripture before the cross is old covenant"

3. OT text Jer 31:31-34 "this is The NEW Covenant" - Heb 8:6-12 quotes Jer 31 as the NEW Covenant - verbatim... unchanged.


Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

1. The LORD's DAY is the Sabbath as we see in the above statement.
2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Isaiah 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for blessing as they choose not to "profane My Sabbath"


Those who false accused Jesus would use this false accusation

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Jesus' response to false accusations --
John 8:46
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

I choose not to join the opposers of Christ in John 8 who accused him of breaking the Word of God

In the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4


Get it? According to the expert on the Word of God (Christ) Jesus Christ did not oppose/break/condemn/reject the Word of God -- not even one of God's Commandments.

So then what did Jesus say about his false accusers?

Matt 22:29 “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Mark 7:6-13

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 
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2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Have you actually seen people who believe otherwise?

I've been seeing some strange false doctrine lately, but nothing that weird.
 
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1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind. Ex 20:11 is pointing to the creation of the world not "the creation of Jews" for the 7th day rest.

2. No Bible text says "all scripture before the cross is old covenant"

3. OT text Jer 31:31-34 "this is The NEW Covenant" - Heb 8:6-12 quotes Jer 31 as the NEW Covenant - verbatim... unchanged.


Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

1. The LORD's DAY is the Sabbath as we see in the above statement.
2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Isaiah 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for blessing as they choose not to "profane My Sabbath"


Those who false accused Jesus would use this false accusation

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Jesus' response to false accusations --
John 8:46
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

I choose not to join the opposers of Christ in John 8 who accused him of breaking the Word of God

In the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4


Get it? According to the expert on the Word of God (Christ) Jesus Christ did not oppose/break/condemn/reject the Word of God -- not even one of God's Commandments.

So then what did Jesus say about his false accusers?

Matt 22:29 “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Mark 7:6-13

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

You can read anything you want into the Bible but what is written is written. I prefer the Bible itself, not your interpretation.
 
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Well the text in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 does not say "because Hebrew slaves were not allowed to rest". It says "therefore the Lord blessed" and "THEN the Lord blessed and sanctified...". It speaks of day 7 of creation week ... long before there was a single Jew or Egyptian.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That really works -- if and only if you're governed by the Old Covenant. If you're a Jew you might have a point,

1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind. Ex 20:11 is pointing to the creation of the world not "the creation of Jews" for the 7th day rest.
2. No Bible text says "all scripture before the cross is old covenant"
3. OT text Jer 31:31-34 "this is The NEW Covenant" - Heb 8:6-12 quotes Jer 31 as the NEW Covenant - verbatim... unchanged.

Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

1. The LORD's DAY is the Sabbath as we see in the above statement.
2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Isaiah 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for blessing as they choose not to "profane My Sabbath"


Those who false accused Jesus would use this false accusation

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Jesus' response to false accusations --
John 8:46
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

I choose not to join the opposers of Christ in John 8 who accused him of breaking the Word of God

In the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4


Get it? According to the expert on the Word of God (Christ) Jesus Christ did not oppose/break/condemn/reject the Word of God -- not even one of God's Commandments.

So then what did Jesus say about his false accusers?

Matt 22:29 “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Mark 7:6-13

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”



You can read anything you want into the Bible but what is written is written. I prefer the Bible itself, not your interpretation.

I was responding to your post where you were telling us what parts of the Bible you consider to be void .
 
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1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind. Ex 20:11 is pointing to the creation of the world not "the creation of Jews" for the 7th day rest.

2. No Bible text says "all scripture before the cross is old covenant"

3. OT text Jer 31:31-34 "this is The NEW Covenant" - Heb 8:6-12 quotes Jer 31 as the NEW Covenant - verbatim... unchanged.


Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

1. The LORD's DAY is the Sabbath as we see in the above statement.
2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Isaiah 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for blessing as they choose not to "profane My Sabbath"


Those who false accused Jesus would use this false accusation

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Jesus' response to false accusations --
John 8:46
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

I choose not to join the opposers of Christ in John 8 who accused him of breaking the Word of God

In the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4


Get it? According to the expert on the Word of God (Christ) Jesus Christ did not oppose/break/condemn/reject the Word of God -- not even one of God's Commandments.

So then what did Jesus say about his false accusers?

Matt 22:29 “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Mark 7:6-13

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

I'm confused about who posted what. 8^)

Regarding the above quoted Scripture, I prefer the Bible as written, no pick-and-choose excerpts.
 
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I was responding to your post where you were telling us what parts of the Bible you consider to be void .

I don't consider ANY parts of the Bible to be void. I know what the Bible says, as I read it daily. The Bible is not a buffet where you choose what you want to prove a point. Reading selected abstracts gets tiresome.
 
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Well the text in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 does not say "because Hebrew slaves were not allowed to rest". It says "therefore the Lord blessed" and "THEN the Lord blessed and sanctified...". It speaks of day 7 of creation week ... long before there was a single Jew or Egyptian.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I don't consider ANY parts of the Bible to be void. I know what the Bible says, as I read it daily. The Bible is not a buffet where you choose what you want to prove a point.

I am glad to see that in your post
 
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1 Cor 7 says "Commandments of God"
"19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God" NASB, NKJV, KJV ...

How is that even a little confusing??

"Commandments of God" can mean the personal commands He gives a person like He gave Abraham, to sacrifice his own son (a commandment that was for Abraham only). Do you recognise this and agree? Because this is vitally important to understanding my position. However out can can also mean the whole Mosaic Law, the summation of the law (love God, love your neighbour), or the Ten.

Now from the context where Paul makes references to personal commands from God later in the same letter out makes sense this is his meaning. If we read the word commandments wherever it is in the bible and apply it to the Ten I believe we are not being truthful to the original meaning. Entole, translated commandments, often means commands -- the personal listening.
 
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Their disciples continued to strictly keep the Torah for centuries thereafter.

Proof please.

YHWH's Torah will be honored in the Kingdom to come, including the Moedim, Sabbaths, New Moons, and sacrifices.

Sacrifices? You believe there will be death in heaven?
 
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1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind.

If you have to appeal to the creation account where there is no command for mankind to keep a Sabbath, to prove the Sabbath is eternal moral law, then you're argument is circular.

Also, the Sabbath was made. Please tell me just one other eternal moral law that was made.

I'll answer for you, because I grew up with preachers saying it every other week. The Sabbath is unique because it is not moral in the way not murdering is a moral law, the Sabbath is an obedience test. These preachers claimed obedience to God was the moral aspect. The problem they couldn't answer though, why not keep the Passover from obedience? Then they appeal to the raising up of the Ten above the Mosaic Law but this is simply not biblical.
 
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God said
8. Remember the Sabbath day... the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

but you said.
If you have to appeal to the creation account where there is no command for mankind to keep a Sabbath, to prove the Sabbath is eternal moral law, then you're argument is circular.

Not true at all. In any case God is one speaking in Ex 20:11 -- quoted Him.

Christ also makes that same appeal where He connects the making of mankind and the making of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden.

"the Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the "making" of both which we see in Genesis 1-2
 
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God said
8. Remember the Sabbath day... the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

but you said.


Not true at all. In any case God is one speaking in Ex 20:11 -- quoted Him.

Christ also makes that same appeal where He connects the making of mankind and the making of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden.

"the Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the "making" of both which we see in Genesis 1-2

It seems to me your whole argument relies on Mark 2:27 where Jesus was explaining how The Sabbath was a gift, not something to get all hung up on. Kind of ironic don't you think?
 
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Interesting translation. The sabbath came because of mankind. This could mean the sabbath came because mankind weren't resting. And that makes sense because the Israelite's were slaves and worked 7 days a week.

Well the text in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 does not say "because Hebrew slaves were not allowed to rest". It says "therefore the Lord blessed" and "THEN the Lord blessed and sanctified...". It speaks of day 7 of creation week ... long before there was a single Jew or Egyptian.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

you responded

That really works -- if and only if you're governed by the Old Covenant.

1. Gen 2:1-3 is before all Jews -- it is mankind. Ex 20:11 is pointing to the creation of the world not "the creation of Jews" for the 7th day rest.

2. No Bible text says "all scripture before the cross is old covenant"

3. OT text Jer 31:31-34 "this is The NEW Covenant" - Heb 8:6-12 quotes Jer 31 as the NEW Covenant - verbatim... unchanged.


Mark 2:27-28, "Then Jesus told them, "The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind for the Sabbath". Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

1. The LORD's DAY is the Sabbath as we see in the above statement.
2. The Sabbath was "made for mankind" not "made for just-the-jews"

Isaiah 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for blessing as they choose not to "profane My Sabbath"


Those who false accused Jesus would use this false accusation

John 9:16a, "Some of the Pharisees said, “This man [referring to Jesus] is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

Jesus' response to false accusations --
John 8:46
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

I choose not to join the opposers of Christ in John 8 who accused him of breaking the Word of God

In the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4


Get it? According to the expert on the Word of God (Christ) Jesus Christ did not oppose/break/condemn/reject the Word of God -- not even one of God's Commandments.

So then what did Jesus say about his false accusers?

Matt 22:29 “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Mark 7:6-13

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

I'll answer for you, because I grew up with preachers saying it every other week.

Please do - I love a well researched well prepared answer.


The Sabbath is unique because it is not moral in the way not murdering is a moral law, the Sabbath is an obedience test.

You are not quoting me or the Bible - what are you quoting? Are you just offering a suggestion? I don't see how that addresses the points listed in my post above.

These preachers claimed obedience to God was the moral aspect.

Well if you are saying that "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - I would agree to that point.

But we don't need "those preachers" for that -- as already pointed out the fact that the unit of TEN where the "first commandment with a promise" is included in the moral law of God written on the heart under the NEW Covenant - (all TEN) - is the position of almost all Bible scholars.

for example

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

The problem they couldn't answer though, why not keep the Passover from obedience? .

As I already pointed out in my post where I quote the Baptist Confession of Faith - Christian bible scholars point to a number of Bible texts showing the TEN to be included in the moral law of God that defines what sin is... I just gave you one example of what they use in Eph 6:1-2.

The "Ten Commandments" is a phrase we find in the Bible "the NINE Commandments" is not found in all of scripture.

In Hebrews 10 all the animal sacrifices and offerings end at the cross... without those sacrifices and offerings there is no liturgy, no way to celebrate Passover. Such a clear Bible detail that bible scholars on both sides of the discussion admit to it.
 
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God said
8. Remember the Sabbath day... the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)...
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

but you said.
If you have to appeal to the creation account where there is no command for mankind to keep a Sabbath, to prove the Sabbath is eternal moral law, then you're argument is circular.

Not true at all. In any case God is one speaking in Ex 20:11 -- quoted Him.

Christ also makes that same appeal where He connects the making of mankind and the making of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden.

"the Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the "making" of both which we see in Genesis 1-2

So then we see that it is God Himself in Gen 2:1-3, in Ex 20:11 and in Mark 2:27 making that connection between creation and the 7th day Sabbath.

It seems to me your whole argument relies on Mark 2:27 where Jesus was explaining how The Sabbath was a gift, not something to get all hung up on. Kind of ironic don't you think?

My "whole argument" that is in specific response to the claim that there is no connection between the making of mankind and the making of the Sabbath -- is what God has said on that very point.

Nothing in Mark 2 has Christ saying "ignore God's Sabbath -- it is only the Word of God and that is not very important" - as I think we would both agree.
 
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YouAreAwesome said:
1 Corinthians 7:18-21

Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts. Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

Paul contrasts circumcision which is from Abraham but also a written law in the Mosaic Covenant with keeping God's commands.

1 Cor 7 says "Commandments of God"
"19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God" NASB, NKJV, KJV ...


Exactly and we know God's commands include the set where the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that unit of Law. Which is true in that UNIT of TEN - and in no other unit of LAW in all of scripture.

"Commandments of God" can mean the personal commands He gives a person like He gave Abraham,

Until you look at the details in that text I gave - there is no order given for the Commands of Gen 26:5 - the only way we can know that the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" is to read it in the TEN. That is Paul in Eph 6 making a direct appeal to the commandments of God in the form of the TEN.

Paul "could" have just said "Children obey your parents - you know that this is in harmony with what the Holy Spirit is saying to you in your heart, and if that fails you know that I am an Apostle, a Bible writer... take it from me if all else fails to convince you"... We would all have been ok with it had Paul said that ... but instead of that - Paul goes out of his way to pull in the TEN as the way to enforce the level of importance of the command he is giving them.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader of Ephesians 6.
 
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1 Cor 7 says "Commandments of God"
"19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God" NASB, NKJV, KJV ...


Exactly and we know God's commands include the set where the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that unit of Law. Which is true in that UNIT of TEN - and in no other unit of LAW in all of scripture.

You would have us believe Entolē only ever means Ten Commandents. But we simply can not make this jump. Entolē must be translated in context. Let's see how your exegesis works in other parts of the bible:

John 10:18
"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This one of the commandents (Ten Commandements) have I received of my Father.

John 11:57
Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment (Ten Commandents), that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my Ten Commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's Ten Commandments, and abide in his love.

1 Corinthians 14:37
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the Ten Commandments of the Lord.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of the Ten Commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
What is your justification for not translating entolē as Ten Commandents in the above verses, yet translating it Ten Commandments in 1 Corinthians 7:19?
 
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Yes, it is a “moral law”, even though that is a manmade term.

Not keeping the Sabbath holy is a sin worthy of death, just like homosexuality, adultery, murder, witchcraft & idolatry.

Are you joking? I really feel sorry for you if that's what you actually believe. Have you kept all of the Old Covenant laws? What sins have you committed; I'm sure that by your own cruel standards you should be put to death.

Have you forgotten the two commandments Jesus told us to keep? Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and (the one you do not follow) love your neighbor as yourself.

Your post is filled with murderous judgement!
 
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