Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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  • No

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Who said God abolished His definition of sin?
Do you believe a person must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, to be saved?
JLB

God's Law defines sin. You are implying that the Law of God given to Moses was abolished. The Bible doesn't teach this.

I do not believe cutting some flesh off my penis will save me as the examples written for my admonition clearly show. The Israelite's were physically circumcised and yet this didn't keep them from falling in the wilderness.

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

So God does require Circumcision, just not the Circumcision the Pharisees were promoting.

As for the Law of Moses, I have already sinned. I have already transgressed God's Commandments that I saw and knew where HIS Commandments.

So what LAWS did God give to Moses that allowed for my sins to be forgiven, and thus saved?

According to Moses I am to take an animal as a sacrifice for my sins, and take this sin offering to the Levite Priest who would take its blood, then perform sacrificial, ceremonial "DEEDS" of the Law with it, for the cleansing of my sins, thus making me a sinless person, or a "righteous" person.

But the God of the Bible promised of a time when this process will become obsolete, and that God will provide for the atonement of sins "apart" from HIS atonement laws given by Covenant to Levi.

The Pharisees were still promoting these atonement Laws for justification instead of recognizing Jesus as the Seed that should come.

Ask yourself the following question, and it becomes clear what Paul is saying.

According to the Law of Moses, when a man sins, how were this mans sins forgiven, thus saving him from the penalty of sin?

Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him Keep the Sabbath Holy, and his sin is forgiven? Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him not steal and his sins are forgiven?

No, He said as plain as day, "If a man sins he shall take a sin offering specifically to the Levite Priest who would then perform "works of a Priesthood Law" and this man's sins shall be forgiven him.

So then, for these reasons I do not believe a man is saved by cutting some flesh of his private parts, nor do I believe we are saved by sprinkling the blood of an animal on the alter as per the Law of Moses.

I believe God gave me a new and better way to receive God's Laws, and atone for my sins as promised in Jer. 31.
 
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Who said God abolished His definition of sin?
Do you believe a person must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, to be saved?
JLB

Given that this has never been how someone has ever been saved - is it your belief that this unchanged fact - somehow deletes commands like "do not take God's name in vain"??

Is that what Christ teaches in Mark 7:6-13?
 
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God's Law defines sin. You are implying that the Law of God given to Moses was abolished. The Bible doesn't teach this.

Do you believe we must sacrifice animals and offer them each Sabbath?

And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10


Do you believe people should be put to death for gathering sticks to build a fire to cook on the Sabbath?


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36




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Given that this has never been how someone has ever been saved - is it your belief that this unchanged fact - somehow deletes commands like "do not take God's name in vain"??

Is that what Christ teaches in Mark 7:6-13?


Again Bob, if you want to have a discussion then you are required to answer a question when asked.

I have answered this question.


Im asking you a question, if you refuse to answer it, then don’t bother asking me any more questions.



Do you believe a person must be physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?

Yes or no?
 
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I do not believe cutting some flesh off my penis will save me as the examples written for my admonition clearly show. The Israelite's were physically circumcised and yet this didn't keep them from falling in the wilderness.


Why not.

It was commanded by God.



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Do you believe we must sacrifice animals and offer them each Sabbath?

And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10


Do you believe people should be put to death for gathering sticks to build a fire to cook on the Sabbath?


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36
JLB

I am fine with answering questions asked of me. But not if you are going to ignore the answers I give you.

If you are not interested in the answer, then isn’t it dishonest to ask the question?
 
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Why not.

It was commanded by God.
JLB

What was commanded by God? That they reject His Laws?

If the sign of circumcision didn’t keep them from rejecting Gods Laws, then how can it save any sinner? Besides my parents had me circumcised, but I still rejected Gods Commandments. If you were as interested in hearing what Gods Word is teaching as you are in defending your Own religious lifestyle, you might see differently.
 
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I posted this

Who said God abolished His definition of sin?
Do you believe a person must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, to be saved?
JLB

Given that this has never been how someone has ever been saved - is it your belief that this unchanged fact - somehow deletes commands like "do not take God's name in vain"??

Is that what Christ teaches in Mark 7:6-13?

Where I specifically answered your question. starting with my statement "Given that this has never been how someone has ever been saved -" which a direct answer to your "do you believe you must be circumcised to be saved" question.

Did you also mean to add "Do you think people need to stop taking God's name in vain to be saved?""

and yet inexplicably we get this.

Again Bob, if you want to have a discussion then you are required to answer a question when asked.

Are you just not reading the post??

Still waiting for your answer to this --
- " is it your belief that this unchanged fact - somehow deletes commands like "do not take God's name in vain"??

Is that what Christ teaches in Mark 7:6-13? Shall I quote Mark 7 just-in-case?

I have answered this question.

I take that as your "answer" - I guess you want us to keep waiting.
 
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What was commanded by God? That they reject His Laws?

If the sign of circumcision didn’t keep them from rejecting Gods Laws, then how can it save any sinner? Besides my parents had me circumcised, but I still rejected Gods Commandments. If you were as interested in hearing what Gods Word is teaching as you are in defending your Own religious lifestyle, you might see differently.


Physical Circumcision was commend by the Lord.


Are we commanded by the Lord to be physically circumcised today, to be in covenant with Him?


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I posted this



Where I specifically answered your question. starting with my statement "Given that this has never been how someone has ever been saved -" which a direct answer to your "do you believe you must be circumcised to be saved" question.

Did you also mean to add "Do you think people need to stop taking God's name in vain to be saved?""

and yet inexplicably we get this.



Are you just not reading the post??

Still waiting for your answer to this --
- " is it your belief that this unchanged fact - somehow deletes commands like "do not take God's name in vain"??

Is that what Christ teaches in Mark 7:6-13? Shall I quote Mark 7 just-in-case?



I take that as your "answer" - I guess you want us to keep waiting.




I’m still waiting for you to answer my first question Bob.


When you do, I will answer one of yours.


Do you believe we must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, in order to be saved?



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Physical Circumcision was commend by the Lord.


Are we commanded by the Lord to be physically circumcised today, to be in covenant with Him?
JLB

I gave you my answer in great detail and you completely ignored it. If you are really interested in my answer, read the post in which I gave it.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

You find where Jesus' Blood and Flesh is so you can eat His Flesh and drink His Blood in order to be in covenant with Him. And when you find His Flesh and His Blood, you will also find the answer to your circumcision question.
 
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I gave you my answer in great detail and you completely ignored it. If you are really interested in my answer, read the post in which I gave it.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

You find where Jesus' Blood and Flesh is so you can eat His Flesh and drink His Blood in order to be in covenant with Him. And when you find His Flesh and His Blood, you will also find the answer to your circumcision question.

If you can give me the post number where you answered my question I will look it up.


Is that a yes or no?


Do you believe we must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, in order to be saved?



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If you can give me the post number where you answered my question I will look it up.


Is that a yes or no?

Do you believe we must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, in order to be saved?
JLB

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Hi, I would like to challenge Christians who keep a weekly Sabbath. I plan to start a new thread for each of the questions. To begin I would like to ask, was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Let's look at the relevant text:

By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work he had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. (Genesis 2:2-3)​

Here God rested after He worked and blessed His day of rest. There is no command for humanity. There is no explicit instruction that every seventh day thereafter is blessed, nor is there instruction for mankind to respond in any particular way.

In the same vein, is there any record of mankind keeping a Sabbath day from Adam to Moses? There are a few places where the bible teaches God gave the Sabbath as a sign in the Mosaic Covenant:

“Also I gave them [Israel] My Sabbaths...” (Ezekiel 20:12-13)​

“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy. Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you.’” (Exodus 31:13-14)​

“‘It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)​

In support of this, Judaism itself has always taught that the Sabbath was given in the Mosaic Covenant, not at creation. For example Judaism teaches of the Seven Laws of Noah which are for Jews and Gentiles. But these do not include a Sabbath. So while there is a first mention of a Sabbath in Genesis, it seems the first instructions to keep it were introduced through Moses.

What do you think about this?

(Please stay on this point only and do not give other arguments promoting a Sabbath. I would like this thread to be about the one question, was there a seventh-day Sabbath for mankind originating with God and given to Adam? Or was it given to Moses and the Israelites? I would also prefer that you make logical arguments rather than preaching or posting multiple Bible verses that are only vaguely applicable).

I look forward to learning more and being challenged.

Peace.

To the question of if the Sabbath was given to Adam or to Moses here is what we have to go by. The first time the Sabbath was mentioned as a command was in Exodus 16 with the manna experience. We need to acknowledge that 2000 years of history was briefly covered in Genesis and the Old Testament was much more detailed when it came to the nation of Israel. So i say this to say that because a Sabbath command was never recorded before this time, it does not mean it was not given. The fact remains it was not recorded. But in the manna experience there is an interesting verse.

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

This verse in interesting because if we assume that this is the first time the Israelites were commanded to keep the Sabbath, knowing that God is longsuffering, this seems like a very weird thing for God to say. This to me clearly suggests that the Sabbath would have been known to them before and for a very long time they were refusing to keep his Sabbath. Before this point, we are not given detail about the commandments and the laws God is referring to here that for a long time they were refusing to keep, but we know that the Sabbath is one of them because the violation of the Sabbath is what caused God to make this statement.

Back in Genesis we are told that Abraham kept God's commandments.
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

What are the commandments, statutes and laws that God gave to Abraham? Again, its not really mentioned. We do not see a record of God telling Abraham to return Tithe for instance, but we are told in Hebrews that he did it. Is it very possible that Sabbath Observance was one of the things God told to Abraham because somehow, the Israelite who went into Slavery must have had knowledge of the Sabbath since they were refusing to keep it.

Now we come back to Adam. We are not told in the Bible if the Sabbath was given to Adam. Adam's 950 years of life are covered in only a few passages. The only thing we are told that Adam was commanded was not eat of the tree of knowledge, good and evil and to name and animals and till the soil. Everything else is an assumption. Its an assumption that he was not told keep the Sabbath and its an assumption that he was. My logical thinking brain tells me that if God sanctified, blessed and rested on the 7th day (which he had no reason to do for himself), and this was blessed day was recurring every single week, there would no reason for God to just not tell anybody about it for 2000 years. If God wanted to institute a Holy Day just for Israel he could have done what he did for the Day of Atonement, the Passover and all those other monthly and annual Sabbaths. He could have just commanded the 7th day be the Sabbath every week. Please understand, the 7th day is not the Sabbath because of a commandment, its the Sabbath because God decided to rest, sanctify and bless that day during creation and he did not have to do that at all. If its just for the Jews during a 2000 year period, he didn't need to do what he did at creation.
 
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Here is your post from 501 —


God's Law defines sin. You are implying that the Law of God given to Moses was abolished. The Bible doesn't teach this.

I do not believe cutting some flesh off my penis will save me as the examples written for my admonition clearly show. The Israelite's were physically circumcised and yet this didn't keep them from falling in the wilderness.

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

So God does require Circumcision, just not the Circumcision the Pharisees were promoting.

As for the Law of Moses, I have already sinned. I have already transgressed God's Commandments that I saw and knew where HIS Commandments.

So what LAWS did God give to Moses that allowed for my sins to be forgiven, and thus saved?

According to Moses I am to take an animal as a sacrifice for my sins, and take this sin offering to the Levite Priest who would take its blood, then perform sacrificial, ceremonial "DEEDS" of the Law with it, for the cleansing of my sins, thus making me a sinless person, or a "righteous" person.

But the God of the Bible promised of a time when this process will become obsolete, and that God will provide for the atonement of sins "apart" from HIS atonement laws given by Covenant to Levi.

The Pharisees were still promoting these atonement Laws for justification instead of recognizing Jesus as the Seed that should come.

Ask yourself the following question, and it becomes clear what Paul is saying.

According to the Law of Moses, when a man sins, how were this mans sins forgiven, thus saving him from the penalty of sin?

Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him Keep the Sabbath Holy, and his sin is forgiven? Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him not steal and his sins are forgiven?

No, He said as plain as day, "If a man sins he shall take a sin offering specifically to the Levite Priest who would then perform "works of a Priesthood Law" and this man's sins shall be forgiven him.

So then, for these reasons I do not believe a man is saved by cutting some flesh of his private parts, nor do I believe we are saved by sprinkling the blood of an animal on the alter as per the Law of Moses.

I believe God gave me a new and better way to receive God's Laws, and atone for my sins as promised in Jer. 31.




So after reading, I think your answer is no, a person does not need to become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved.


Do I understand you correctly?



If you were to ask me the same question, my answer would be no.





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Here is your post from 501 —


God's Law defines sin. You are implying that the Law of God given to Moses was abolished. The Bible doesn't teach this.

I do not believe cutting some flesh off my penis will save me as the examples written for my admonition clearly show. The Israelite's were physically circumcised and yet this didn't keep them from falling in the wilderness.

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

So God does require Circumcision, just not the Circumcision the Pharisees were promoting.

As for the Law of Moses, I have already sinned. I have already transgressed God's Commandments that I saw and knew where HIS Commandments.

So what LAWS did God give to Moses that allowed for my sins to be forgiven, and thus saved?

According to Moses I am to take an animal as a sacrifice for my sins, and take this sin offering to the Levite Priest who would take its blood, then perform sacrificial, ceremonial "DEEDS" of the Law with it, for the cleansing of my sins, thus making me a sinless person, or a "righteous" person.

But the God of the Bible promised of a time when this process will become obsolete, and that God will provide for the atonement of sins "apart" from HIS atonement laws given by Covenant to Levi.

The Pharisees were still promoting these atonement Laws for justification instead of recognizing Jesus as the Seed that should come.

Ask yourself the following question, and it becomes clear what Paul is saying.

According to the Law of Moses, when a man sins, how were this mans sins forgiven, thus saving him from the penalty of sin?

Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him Keep the Sabbath Holy, and his sin is forgiven? Did Moses say "If a man sins, let him not steal and his sins are forgiven?

No, He said as plain as day, "If a man sins he shall take a sin offering specifically to the Levite Priest who would then perform "works of a Priesthood Law" and this man's sins shall be forgiven him.

So then, for these reasons I do not believe a man is saved by cutting some flesh of his private parts, nor do I believe we are saved by sprinkling the blood of an animal on the alter as per the Law of Moses.

I believe God gave me a new and better way to receive God's Laws, and atone for my sins as promised in Jer. 31.

So after reading, I think your answer is no, a person does not need to become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved.

Do I understand you correctly?

"So then, for these reasons I do not believe a man is saved by cutting some flesh of his private parts, nor do I believe we are saved by sprinkling the blood of an animal on the alter as per the Law of Moses."

This seems pretty clear to me. I don't believe the God of the Bible was interested in the loose skin of my penis, rather, a change of heart as HE said in the scriptures I posted, that you ignored.

Now that I have answered your question, maybe you would return the kindness and answer mine.

When did you eat the Flesh of Jesus and Drink HIS Blood so that you could be saved, and where did you find this flesh and Blood so I can also find it and eat and drink it, and be saved like you are?
 
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When did you eat the Flesh of Jesus and Drink HIS Blood so that you could be saved, and where did you find this flesh and Blood so I can also find it and eat and drink it, and be saved like you are?


That is an idiomatic expression for covenant relationship.

Jesus used this same language at the last supper.


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:26-28


However, we are not saved by partaking of communion, we are saved by obeying the Gospel.


Communion is for believers. Not unbelievers.



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That is an idiomatic expression for covenant relationship.

Jesus used this same language at the last supper.


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:26-28

However, we are not saved by partaking of communion, we are saved by obeying the Gospel.
Communion is for believers. Not unbelievers.

JLB

But wait a minute here. Jesus specifically commanded to eat His Flesh, and Drink HIS Blood to be saved, just as the Word which became Flesh specifically commanded to cut some loose skin off the penis.

Are you saying that Jesus' intent was NOT to actually, physically drink HIS Blood, even though HE clearly said so in the Scripture I posted? And you know this because you read Matt. 26?

I really appreciate your reply here and this is becoming a real discussion. Thank you for that.

As you understand, It was not Jesus intent that we physically drink HIS Blood to be saved, even though He said what HE said.

In like manner, The Word of God which became Flesh, also reveals the true intent behind circumcision, when we read more than just one sentence.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Lev. 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Duet. 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jer. 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

So it seems the Pharisees, which Jesus declared were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of Men, taught that it was not possible to be saved without first cutting some flesh off the penis. What I am hoping you will receive, is the Biblical Truth that it was never about physical circumcision. And Zechariahs, Simeon, and all the Faith examples in the Holy Scriptures knew this, but the Pharisees did not. It was always about humbling oneself to the "Way of the Lord", to God's Instructions, not those instructions from "another voice".

Just as it was never the intent of Jesus to actually drink HIS Blood, nor was it HIS intent that Israel take the Blood of the Passover Lamb and wipe in on stone and wood.

It's about the heart, the mind, and how we apply God's instructions to our self.

Thank you for your reply.
 
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