Can a Christian have a premature death is he keeps living in lawlessness

Jamdoc said:

Now, caveat, I don't believe in dispensationalism but I think his idea was that he believes that Israel got a different set of instructions than the Gentiles did.
I don't agree with that interpretation, but that's what I'm seeing they believe.

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After the Body of Christ is raptured, justification will be by faith AND works, as Rev 14:9-11 made it clear. You need to also reject the mark of the beast to be saved at the end.

During that Tribulation period, John's epistles would be very relevant to Israel once again.

Danigt22 said:

What Goujing is pointing out is a different dispensation of grace for jews and gentiles. It is clear you dont believe that. Goujing also points out the difference between the gospel of the kingdom of heaven and the gospel of grace. You will end up never agreeing.

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Instead of merely giving your personal opinion, why don't you support it with Scripture?
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. Rom 10:12
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

Guojing said:

As I have said many times, all of us ignore God's command to Noah to build an ark, we know that it will be silly for anyone to build an ark now.

That does not mean we cannot learn from Noah's faith when he believed God even though no one then has seen rain before.

Likewise, we can learn from John's epistles, without thinking it is written to us.

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What??

Danigt22 said:

We gave you scriptures, you just dont agree in what they say.

galatians 3:1-5
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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You continue to quote Scripture out of context. No one is justified by works of the law - neither Jew nor Gentile.
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Rom 3:20

Danigt22 said:

What are you preaching, Im puzzle on what context you are talking.

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If I understand you, you are claiming that there is a different gospel for the Jew and a different gospel for the gentile. Or, are you claiming that there is a different dispensation for the gentile and a different dispensation for the Jew, thus God's grace is different. Clarify please.

Oldmantook said:

What??

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You mean you will build an ark because you think all scripture, including Genesis 6, is directed to you?

Danigt22 said:

Hebrews is a gospel to the Jews. Glorification is something that happens after justification. We are save by faith alone, and called to be sanctify and glorify. Nevertheless once we are justify, we cant lose that. God doesnt lose any believer.

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Gospel to the Jews hey?. God does not have respect to whether you are a Jew or gentile whether the laws of God apply to you.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

There is no separate commandments for Jews and gentiles. They did it in the book of Acts, because the Jews did not want to stop performing all the bylaws in the old Testament:

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

That means we do not have to listen to anything Jesus said to the Apostles since they were Jews and not gentiles. This argument makes no sense at all.

You can lose your salvation since God does not take away your free will. You can decide to receive him or reject him and you will end up in a worse position from before you were saved. You cannot repent and then turn back to your sinful ways and expect to be saved .

2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Guojing said:

After the Body of Christ is raptured, justification will be by faith AND works, as Rev 14:9-11 made it clear. You need to also reject the mark of the beast to be saved at the end.

During that Tribulation period, John's epistles would be very relevant to Israel once again.

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and you have to make loopholes like this when you believe in a pre trib rapture..

Guojing said:

You mean you will build an ark because you think all scripture, including Genesis 6, is directed to you?

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Of course not. So your point is?

Oldmantook said:

Of course not. So your point is?

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All Christians ignore various commandments of Scripture, we know certain parts of Scripture are not written TO us.

Jamdoc said:

and you have to make loopholes like this when you believe in a pre trib rapture..

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I just try to interpret Scripture as literally as I can.

Johan_1988 said:

Gospel to the Jews hey?. God does not have respect to whether you are a Jew or gentile whether the laws of God apply to you.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

There is no separate commandments for Jews and gentiles. They did it in the book of Acts, because the Jews did not want to stop performing all the bylaws in the old Testament:

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

That means we do not have to listen to anything Jesus said to the Apostles since they were Jews and not gentiles. This argument makes no sense at all.

You can lose your salvation since God does not take away your free will. You can decide to receive him or reject him and you will end up in a worse position from before you were saved. You cannot repent and then turn back to your sinful ways and expect to be saved .

2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

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During the Tribulation, God will return to deal with Israel, so yes, everything in Hebrews to Revelations are directed TO the Jews.

Guojing said:

I just try to interpret Scripture as literally as I can.

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So why don't you interpret revelation 6 after the 6th seal as the same events that Jesus talks about in Matthew 24?
Why do you associate Matthew 24 as corresponding with Revelation 19 instead?
You have to understand it's not 7 years of Tribulation, it's Daniel's 70th week that is 7 years, and only the first half of it is the Tribulation (caused by men/the antichrist) which has to be distinguished from the wrath that God pours out on the world that takes place after Jesus comes in the clouds, which happens AFTER the abomination of desolation, some time in the middle.
Matthew 24 says after the tribulation is when Jesus comes in the clouds, that is, the second coming.
The second half is not tribulation, but the wrath of God.
We are spared the wrath of God. We are not spared tribulation.

Jamdoc said:

So why don't you interpret revelation 6 after the 6th seal as the same events that Jesus talks about in Matthew 24?
Why do you associate Matthew 24 as corresponding with Revelation 19 instead?
You have to understand it's not 7 years of Tribulation, it's Daniel's 70th week that is 7 years, and only the first half of it is the Tribulation (caused by men/the antichrist) which has to be distinguished from the wrath that God pours out on the world that takes place after Jesus comes in the clouds, which happens AFTER the abomination of desolation, some time in the middle.
Matthew 24 says after the tribulation is when Jesus comes in the clouds, that is, the second coming.
The second half is not tribulation, but the wrath of God.
We are spared the wrath of God. We are not spared tribulation.

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Jesus was talking about the OT prophetic timetable in Matthew 24, where the Body of Christ did not exist and was a secret hidden in God, as Paul would later reveal only after that in Ephesians.

Think of the mystery of the grace dispensation as an interruption of that timetable. That was why the generation during that time did not see the Tribulation events that Jesus was talking about then. God himself interrupted it.

Jesus knew about the mystery dispensation in his first coming of course, but it was not time for it to be revealed yet, until he ascended to heaven, saved Paul, and revealed the mystery to him.

Guojing said:

All Christians ignore various commandments of Scripture, we know certain parts of Scripture are not written TO us.

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And certain parts are written to us which we cannot afford to ignore such as the book of Romans which is written to the saints that are in Rome (1:7) also known as the brethren (8:12). Paul warns the brethren in Rom 8:13 that if they live according to the flesh they will die; i.e. spiritual death. So while it is possible for God to prematurely cut short a believer's life in order that he may still be saved, Paul on the other hand in v.13 warns that those brethren who live according to the flesh will die. "Die" in this verse cannot refer to physical death as everyone physically dies irrespective of the manner in which they lived their lives. Thus those believers who live their lives according to their fleshly desires will spiritually die.