should we ask modern prophets when the virus thing will end?

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I wonder what he's saying now? I would imagine it's not "I was wrong".
Just as Harold Camping had to come up with an alternative explanation when his widely publicised date for Jesus' return came and went without incident.
No, they'll never admit they're wrong. In most, if not all cases, they just double down on their lies and tell even more outrageous ones.

The real problem isn't so much them though as it is those who fawn on their every word - and why.
 
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Yes, but the alternative to that is to say that God didn't know what was going to happen to the Chinese family, fell asleep/took his eye off the ball and the devil sneaked in and did something that God didn't want.

You missed the point. An unlikely beneficial event is usually attributed to God - by those who believe -taking a hand while unlikely negative event seems to be merely God allowing something but not interfering.

This seems bit double standardish....

Is it too hard to imagine that beneficial things can also just happen with God merely being aware of it but not interfering in any way?
 
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The profiteers prey on the gullible and those desperate for a sign. When someone tells me I'm this or that I look for evidence of the gift in their lives. In most instances there's a dearth of wisdom and discernment. Which leads me to question why they didn't get a word (about their mess) and act on it.

~Bella
 
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The profiteers prey on the gullible and those desperate for a sign. When someone tells me I'm this or that I look for evidence of the gift in their lives. In most instances there's a dearth of wisdom and discernment. Which leads me to question why they didn't get a word (about their mess) and act on it.

~Bella
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. - Acts 17:11 (NASB)
 
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This seems bit double standardish....

Is it too hard to imagine that beneficial things can also just happen with God merely being aware of it but not interfering in any way?

Your almost getting into a similar argument such as occurs in double predestination... if one thing is controlled by a sovereign God, then it's opposite must also be true.

I think there are some mysteries we just can't definitively say while in this life, and we are happy to just trust in God for those mysteries we don't know.

The Catholics are big on their mysteries, and while I'm no Catholic, there are some aspects of God's nature we just don't have the capacity to completely understand.

You or I can relate ourself to some group or some other. We can say I'm like this person or that group, but God? The best HE can say is that "I Am who I AM"

God is in a category of One, without any comparative reference, and the best we can understand has certain limits.
 
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Luke 11:29



You know, these modern prophets of our day who can't discern the weather are a lot like Barnes and Nobel witches - fakes chasing air because they read a book and wanted to be something other than what they are.

Christians don't need to seek after any of it.... you see the signs as easily as the weather, or you don't see it at all.

Christ came at the end of the age and all the Jews in name only couldn't even recognize their Savior because they were too busy looking for the signs they desired to have.. I see little difference between them and the modern Barnes and Nobel prophets.

The Jews were all so sure they knew how it was going to play out they completely missed what actually did. And all these modern "prophets" are still missing the mark, learning not one lesson from their predecessors..

If you want to be believed, 1.) Be 100% accurate in all your predictions in specificity and 2) show that God is with you, by being able to dip a cup into the Nile and have it become blood as you pour it on the ground... or being able to throw your walking stick on the ground and have it turn into a living snake.. etc etc

Signs are for those who don't believe and quite frankly, I don't believe you. (I do believe my God, however).

Any charlatan can make wildly vague predictions and have the 1/3 come out roses.
Not my problem that you don't believe, that's between you and God....what you said about signs being for unbelievers is exactly right....so this is for you.:hoho:
He gave that message in April....and already it is coming to pass.
 
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Not my problem that you don't believe, that's between you and God....what you said about signs being for unbelievers is exactly right....so this is for you.:hoho:
He gave that message in April....and already it is coming to pass.

Every single Apostle and Disciple and Prophet of God came with proofs they were speaking on behalf of God Himself - without fail.

Without those proofs, your just guessing and anyone can throw a guess up and have a good chance of being correct. I'm putting a pie on my guess about the coronavirus; at least I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is so to speak, and not dare call it God's Word..
 
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Every single Apostle and Disciple and Prophet of God came with proofs they were speaking on behalf of God Himself - without fail.

Without those proofs, your just guessing and anyone can throw a guess up and have a good chance of being correct. I'm putting a pie on my guess about the coronavirus; at least I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is so to speak, and not dare call it God's Word..
Well you say signs are for unbelievers....true...
But prophesy is for the Church to edify, exhort, instruct, direct, confirm and point to Jesus.
If anything is untrue in what is given it will be made known. But God performs His word.
Furthermore He confirms His word by His prophets.....a prophet is subject to a prophet.
I have nothing to gain in this. Nothing. This thread was created to mock God's prophets but it will not be fruitful in its purpose.
 
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Well you say signs are for unbelievers....true...
But prophesy is for the Church to edify, exhort, instruct, direct, confirm and point to Jesus.
If anything is untrue in what is given it will be made known. But God performs His word.
Furthermore He confirms His word by His prophets.....a prophet is subject to a prophet.
I have nothing to gain in this. Nothing. This thread was created to mock God's prophets but it will not be fruitful in its purpose.

God's punishment for false prophets is death, and God says that anyone who dares call themselves a prophet of God and what they prophecy does not come to pass, then kill them, because they are not speaking in God's authority.

It is a grave thing to call yourself a prophet, because the words you speak in the Name of God is a claim to be speaking the very words of God, as if from the very mouth of God, commanded by God to speak them to His people.

It's not some game...
 
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God's punishment for false prophets is death, and God says that anyone who dares call themselves a prophet of God and what they prophecy does not come to pass them kill them, because they are not speaking in God's authority.

It is a grave thing to call yourself a prophet, because the words you speak in the Name of God is a claim to be speaking the very words of God, as if from the very mouth of God, commanded by God to speak them to His people.

It's not some game...
I will not strive with you.
Be at peace with your beliefs and let the Holy Spirit guide you into the truth and knowledge of His Word.
 
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I will not strive with you.
Be at peace with your beliefs and let the Holy Spirit guide you into the truth and knowledge of His Word.

I just really, really, really have something against the false prophets of today because they have taken the Word of God and made it a laughingstock among the nations, when it's so powerful the world should be scrambling to touch the hem of our garments.

Satan is rejoicing I tell you, because these charlatans have done his bidding...
 
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fm107 said:
Your essentially saying the Bible (God's revelation to man), is incomplete

No problem. :)[/QUOTE]
I have read multiple comments from individuals that the Bible is complete and therefore we cannot add anything to it. This is true, I agree that we cannot add any new teaching to it. But it did not say that we were to be readers only of it....we are suppose to be doers of it.

So IMHO....we are to do all that Jesus did, the Apostles, the Prophets and to be disciples of it....and to go out into the world training up more disciples. This includes miracles, healings, casting out demons, prophesies, preaching and teaching and even raising up the dead.

When Jesus said to the disciples in John 16:12 12“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Why couldn't they bear them at the time....they already knew He was going to be crucified....that He would die and be resurrected....so what was Jesus referring to?

And what about the mysteries of God.....they are revealed to us by the Holy Spirit....and did not Paul say we see in part and know in part but in time we will know all?

my point is that we are continuously growing in the knowledge and truth of God's Wisdom....some things could not be revealed until the appointed time....Revelation has numerous scripture referring to the Angels revealing the mysteries....
I don't believe we can change any portion of what Jesus preached....but to say we can't be doers of what the disciples did is just plain ignorant....if they did it so can we because we serve the same God, have the same Holy Spirit and are saved by the same Jesus, the only begotten son of God.

The Bible is Complete but it is not conclusive....as prophesies are fulfilled we see more into His Hidden Wisdom. Much more has to be revealed and concluded in prophesy before we will know all.
 
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I just really, really, really have something against the false prophets of today because they have taken the Word of God and made it a laughingstock among the nations, when it's so powerful the world should be scrambling to touch the hem of our garments.

Satan is rejoicing I tell you, because these charlatans have done his bidding...
Most notably the wolves of the Word of Faith movement - worse than charlatans, more dangerous than wolves...
 
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I wonder what he's saying now? I would imagine it's not "I was wrong".
Just as Harold Camping had to come up with an alternative explanation when his widely publicised date for Jesus' return came and went without incident.
Harold Camping failed twice his first prediction was '94.
 
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Most notably the wolves of the Word of Faith movement - worse than charlatans, more dangerous than wolves...
Revelation 19:10
Can you give your interpretation of this scripture?
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 
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Most notably the wolves of the Word of Faith movement - worse than charlatans, more dangerous than wolves...
Can you explain why Paul spent over a year with the Corinthians, and the Ephesians teaching them the order with which God established for His church to operate? If Paul is teaching something that would be done away with after he and the other apostles died then is his teaching in vain?
Are we not suppose to do what it says in scripture? Did Paul not say that the offices were to serve the saints for the perfecting of them in the body of Christ until we all come into the unity of faith?
Has the body of Christ come into the unity of faith yet?
Please give your explanations....I would like to hear them.
 
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fm107 said:
Your essentially saying the Bible (God's revelation to man), is incomplete

No problem. :)
I have read multiple comments from individuals that the Bible is complete and therefore we cannot add anything to it. This is true, I agree that we cannot add any new teaching to it. But it did not say that we were to be readers only of it....we are suppose to be doers of it.

So IMHO....we are to do all that Jesus did, the Apostles, the Prophets and to be disciples of it....and to go out into the world training up more disciples. This includes miracles, healings, casting out demons, prophesies, preaching and teaching and even raising up the dead.

When Jesus said to the disciples in John 16:12 12“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Why couldn't they bear them at the time....they already knew He was going to be crucified....that He would die and be resurrected....so what was Jesus referring to?

And what about the mysteries of God.....they are revealed to us by the Holy Spirit....and did not Paul say we see in part and know in part but in time we will know all?

my point is that we are continuously growing in the knowledge and truth of God's Wisdom....some things could not be revealed until the appointed time....Revelation has numerous scripture referring to the Angels revealing the mysteries....
I don't believe we can change any portion of what Jesus preached....but to say we can't be doers of what the disciples did is just plain ignorant....if they did it so can we because we serve the same God, have the same Holy Spirit and are saved by the same Jesus, the only begotten son of God.

The Bible is Complete but it is not conclusive....as prophesies are fulfilled we see more into His Hidden Wisdom. Much more has to be revealed and concluded in prophesy before we will know all.


First, having things alluded to, or even spoken, doesn't mean any of the disciples actually understood what was going to happen.

After Jesus's death Judas committed suicide, Peter was utterly and completely despondent...

When Jesus rose from the dead the women thought his body stolen, Thomas didn't believe the male disciples who reported they saw the risen Savior - remember the whole I don't believe until I stick my finger in the nail holes comment?

They didn't know what was going to happen, and they weren't expecting what did... not one of them. Regardless of Christs preparations of them to accept it all before He died.

It's like reading something in a book, until you experience it you don't truly understand... hands on is necessary for true understanding. Especially when it's unbelievable.. like dead people leaving their grave..

Top that off, a major development had to be revealed through the Holy Spirit, aka the Gentiles being brought into Covanent..

No one believed that either until they saw very real Gentiles with the same gifts of the Spirit as they had...

There was a lot of the New Covenant as a whole they were unprepared for, regardless of them reading or hearing about it. And they absolutely needed the Holy Spirit to teach them about. These aren't easy topics and unless you truly know them inside and out you cannot teach them, let alone practically launch a faith so split from Pharisaical (spelling) Judaism, on Judaism.

So you can't say this was all simple, simple, ready for it all mentality, they absolutely were not prepared for what happened, how it happened, despite studying under Jesus for 3-1/2 years.

And as far as being doers of the Word, the gift of prophecy isn't something you do until you get it right... you are given the gift or you arent, its as simple as that. AND it's not vague.
 
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First, having things alluded to, or even spoken, doesn't mean any of the disciples actually understood what was going to happen.

After Jesus's death Judas committed suicide, Peter was utterly and completely despondent...

When Jesus rose from the dead the women thought his body stolen, Thomas didn't believe the male disciples who reported they saw the risen Savior - remember the whole I don't believe until I stick my finger in the nail holes comment?

They didn't know what was going to happen, and they weren't expecting what did... not one of them. Regardless of Christs preparations of them to accept it all before He died.

It's like reading something in a book, until you experience it you don't truly understand... hands on is necessary for true understanding. Especially when it's unbelievable.. like dead people leaving their grave..

Top that off, a major development had to be revealed through the Holy Spirit, aka the Gentiles being brought into Covanent..

No one believed that either until they saw very real Gentiles with the same gifts of the Spirit as they had...

There was a lot of the New Covenant as a whole they were unprepared for, regardless of them reading or hearing about it. And they absolutely needed the Holy Spirit to teach them about. These aren't easy topics and unless you truly know them inside and out you cannot teach them, let alone practically launch a faith so split from Pharisaical (spelling) Judaism, on Judaism.

So you can't say this was all simple, simple, ready for it all mentality, they absolutely were not prepared for what happened, how it happened, despite studying under Jesus for 3-1/2 years.
I see you focused on one sentence....what is your opinion to the whole content?
 
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I see you focused on one sentence....what is your opinion to the whole content?

When Paul said now we see in part but then, face to face (aka full knowledge) is speaking of AFTER death, the fullness of the New Covenant is upon us on earth now...

But see, I get into that we have topics that are 100% off topic, so there's no point bringing them up because they can neither be discussed nor debated here.

My other observation is just one:

And as far as being doers of the Word, the gift of prophecy isn't something you do until you get it right... you are given the gift or you arent, its as simple as that. AND it's not vague.

When it comes to prophesying you arent as a prophet to open your mouth to speak anything to others unless God specifically commands you to, upon His Name.

Again, not a little child's game you get to play... it's one of the more serious offices.

Making it into a laughingstock is an abomination.
 
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When Paul said now we see in part but then, face to face (aka full knowledge) is speaking of AFTER death, the fullness of the New Covenant is upon us on earth now...

But see, I get into that we have topics that are 100% off topic, so there's no point bringing them up because they can neither be discussed nor debated here.

My other observation is just one:

And as far as being doers of the Word, the gift of prophecy isn't something you do until you get it right... you are given the gift or you arent, its as simple as that. AND it's not vague.

When it comes to prophesying you arent as a prophet to open your mouth to speak anything to others unless God specifically commands you to, upon His Name.

Again, not a little child's game you get to play... it's one of the more serious offices.

Making it into a laughingstock is an abomination.
Well you are certainly certain about things that are still uncertain.:waaah:lol...have a blessed day....I hear the Holy Spirit speaking to me to go intercede at this time.
 
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