I posted this
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world as stated in 1 John 2:2 but not everyone will be a believer. It’s God given faith that saves us which makes salvation dependent on God’s choice.
God's choice is "all"
So when that fails and someone rejects the Gospel this is God's response
Isaiah 5:4 "“
What more was there to do for My vineyard that I have not done in it?
Why, when I expected
it to produce
good grapes did it produce worthless ones?
As we see in these many examples where the choice of the person is presented in relation to salvation
2 Cor 5: "WE BEG YOU on half of Christ be reconciled to God"
Rev 3: "20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. "
Rom 10:9 " if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
Isaiah 5:4 "“What more was there to do for My vineyard that I have not done in it?
Why, when I expected it to produce good grapes did it produce worthless ones?
John 1:11 "He came to HIS OWN and His OWN received Him not. But to as many as received Him ..."
Luke 7: 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.
Matt 23: 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Which includes this
Luke 7: 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers
rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.
And this
Isaiah 5:4 "“
What more was there to do for My vineyard that I have not done in it?
Why, when I expected
it to produce
good grapes did it produce worthless ones?
The many of Matt 7 lost... the few of Matt 7 saved
Your response:
For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
— Luke 19:10
If you are correct, then Jesus is an abject failure.
I know what my response what. I don’t know what you’re is, though.
You may not have actually read what I posted.
I just enjoy reading the comparison. The text does not change simply because someone reads it and then does his/her own summation of the form "well then God is a big failure". You did not give a Bible objection.. just your summation which of course you are welcomed to all day long with no complaints from me.
Your argument is that a God who so loved the actual world should have robotized the world so not one is going to hell. His other choice in your scenario is that He never really cared about the rest therefore His outcome is 100% successful in what He wanted to have saved.
But in that sorta world He shoulda thought of that robotize-solution a long time ago - in fact one tiny little tweak of Lucifer's thought cycle and you have
no Lucifer to Satan transformation
No loss of 1/3 of the angels of heaven
No loss of mankind with 99.9999% of mankind killed at the flood
No horrific crimes on Earth
No death and torture of God the Son on the cross - so this is where God would save Himself a lot of grief.
No dark ages
No torture of women children and victims of all sorts.
the list is endless for "not" performing that one single clandestine robotized-tweak at the key moment. Your model already has God "in that sorta business" and once you put him in that role - then He clearly missed his golden opportunity at the very start to exercise that particular skill your POV seems to claim that he is using every day.
You are ready to claim that all of the saints were zapped-in just as God "selected" out the few to escape the eternal torture of hell and the many to get kicked into it.
As Luther said "if the Pope did have the power to get someone out of Purgatory he should have gotten everyone out".
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By contrast the bible texts I pointed out show that God enables choice even for the lost - supernaturally enables it. God's entire universe is founded on that prime directive for choice and free will. Even when man totally loses it by falling into sin and having a depraved nature - God supernaturally "draws all mankind unto him" John 12:32 thus enabling the choice for the gospel that depravity disabled.
And then the "choice" element we saw in scripture as I pointed it out - shines clear.. the same God who enables choice today - does so for all eternity.