Well, Mary probably did. But it is believed that His brothers did not.
This site gives a very good explanation:
The Brothers of Jesus: Loving the Unbelieving Relative
It really is worth the time it takes to read it.
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This site gives a very good explanation:
The Brothers of Jesus: Loving the Unbelieving Relative
It really is worth the time it takes to read it.
Well we know his brothers were very conflicted as to what Jesus was doing. At one point they came and said, " Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” John 7: 6 That does show us that they sure didn't have much faith in Jesus prayer life....it seemed they were motivated by their natural minds as to what seemed like a reasonable thing to do.
And here's one of the greatest mysteries to me about his brothers. When Jesus was dying on the cross he called out to John, When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
So the question is why didn't he have it stated to his real brothers to make sure they took care of his mother? Did Jesus realize Mary was a believer but she needed strengthened by those disciples who were closest with him?
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Perhaps because John was also a close relative (the son of Mary's sister -- we know this from comparing the women at the cross)?
Whereas, if the "brothers" were sons of Joseph by a previous marriage, they were no relation to Mary at all?
Perhaps because Jesus knew that John would live to a ripe old age, but others would not?
It's quite possible that some brothers felt one way, and others another.
As I said before, the brothers James and Jude may have been the disciples James and Jude.
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The Scriptures regarding Christ's family are consistent with His brothers and sisters being older than him. If Jesus was indeed the eldest, it would mean that His siblings grew up in the shadow of the perfect eldest brother. His influence on them growing up would have been greater than that of their father Joseph, yet their attitude towards Him does not reflect any such influence.
Eastern Orthodox tradition states that Salome, the wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John, was in fact one of Joseph's daughters, so it is likely that Joseph's children were adults with families of their own when Jesus was growing up, the exception being James. Salome's boldness in asking Jesus to have her sons sit at His left and right hand is consistent with her being His older sister.
If Jesus was the eldest then He would have had authority among His brethren, yet they multiple times try to assert authority over Him, and I suspect that His mother Mary was an unwilling participant who they had brought along in an effort to exert influence over Him.
Eastern Orthodox tradition states that Salome, the wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John, was in fact one of Joseph's daughters, so it is likely that Joseph's children were adults with families of their own when Jesus was growing up, the exception being James. Salome's boldness in asking Jesus to have her sons sit at His left and right hand is consistent with her being His older sister.
If Jesus was the eldest then He would have had authority among His brethren, yet they multiple times try to assert authority over Him, and I suspect that His mother Mary was an unwilling participant who they had brought along in an effort to exert influence over Him.
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That's what I was trying to say, but you express it much better.
That's news to me. I had understood that she was Mary's sister.
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It's also Eastern Orthodox tradition that Mary is the only child born to Joachim and Anna. It is likely that Mary and Salome became very close though. Jesus had obviously been a strong influence on her own children growing up, since Jesus only had to say "follow me", and they dropped everything and became His most devoted disciples.
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I was referring to the lists of women at the cross, and the identification of Salome (Mark 15:40), the mother of the sons of Zebedee (Matthew 27:56), and Jesus's mother's sister (John 19:25).
Would you deny that connection, or would you interpret "mother's sister" as "mother's close relative"?
And isn't there an Orthodox view that Salome was Mary's cousin? Or have I got that wrong?
I agree, and I think that that's very significant in relation to the O.P.
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If I remember correctly, I believe Clopas was Joseph's brother. The comma inserted after "and His mother's sister" does not exist in the Greek. It's placement in the text was probably because the translators could not fathom how two sisters could have the same name, so they placed the comma to make it sound like "Mary's sister" and "Mary of Clopas" were two different people. If they are the wives of two brothers, however, they would naturally be considered as sisters.
I haven't ever come across this view.
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Jesus Christ is spiritual. Anyone who worships the Lord in spirit and in truth and obey his commandments, is related to Jesus Christ in spirit
Galatians 2:20 says "I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me"
From what i have heard, Simon the zealot was the brother of Jesus Christ
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I see your point, and I note that ἡ ἀδελφὴ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ Μαρίαμ ἡ τοῦ Κλωπᾶ contains no καὶ. I am still not convinced, however. It just seems odd if you read it without a comma -- shouldn't it be Μαρίαμ ἡ ἀδελφὴ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ ἡ τοῦ Κλωπᾶ in that case?
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Not the same Simon. Simon the zealot was the bridegroom from the wedding at Cana.
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Verse five below is revealing.
"... even his own brothers did not believe in him." - vs 5
The "brothers" were "his own" and were not believers.
John 7:1-13
After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6 Therefore Jesus told them, “My time is not yet here; for you any time will do. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil. 8 You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. 11 Now at the festival the Jewish leaders were watching for Jesus and asking, “Where is he?”
12 Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, “He is a good man.”
Others replied, “No, he deceives the people.” 13 But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the leaders.
"... even his own brothers did not believe in him." - vs 5
The "brothers" were "his own" and were not believers.
John 7:1-13
After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6 Therefore Jesus told them, “My time is not yet here; for you any time will do. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil. 8 You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. 11 Now at the festival the Jewish leaders were watching for Jesus and asking, “Where is he?”
12 Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, “He is a good man.”
Others replied, “No, he deceives the people.” 13 But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the leaders.
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I think, instead of typing a bunch out... I'll post the link again. This is a very good commentary and worth the read:
The Brothers of Jesus: Loving the Unbelieving Relative
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Why are you posting Mormon sermons in a thread seeking Christian responses?
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