Homosexuals and Shellfish

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I received a copy of an e-mail which was very sarcastic. The sceptic’s words are in red. He wrote:

“Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.”

I cannot give an answer that would satisfy the sarcastic interlocutor without a great deal of time and even then he will only listen if he wants to. But, one has to realize that God deals with different people in different ways within their times, their knowledge and their cultural confines. Also, much of the Mosaic Law was to punish the Israelites for their stubborn, stiff-necked rebellion against God which was not imposed on all men for all time. I suggest that the whole problem here is that our e-mailer has a bone to pick and has very little historical or biblical understanding, or he wouldn’t ask such things.

Here the first example from his list:

1) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

In ancient cultures slavery was a way of life. Life was cheap and slaves were property that could be treated and disposed of any which way. That was a fact of life. The very fact that Moses wrote laws to protect the servant with certain legal and moral safeguards put the Israelites light years ahead of the neighboring nations. Slaves with rights—unheard of! But also, the e-mailer should realize that the term slave here can be misleading in that it may very well refer to a bond servant or maid. In early America, many people were able to afford immigration by selling themselves as bondservants for a time. In any regard, over time the full revelation of God impressed men with a more comprehensive understanding and practice of justice and dignity for human life.

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Those questions have been making the rounds for fifteen years, at least. There was a time when that fiery brand of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and others atheism was on the march. They picked up a lot of steam from 9/11 and they really mounted a full-court press. That list of questions is basically in line with the tone and tenor of evangelical atheism of that period.

The article isn't clear. Did somebody email Ray and present those questions as their own? Or did they send the list as a "Would you get a load of this nonsense" type of thing?

It would be kind of funny if today's fedora atheist movement is so bereft of intellectual firepower that they're reduced to plagiarizing ancient Internet memes as gotcha questions.

Totally unrelated but I really like Steve Ray.
 
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Those questions have been making the rounds for fifteen years, at least. There was a time when that fiery brand of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and others atheism was on the march. They picked up a lot of steam from 9/11 and they really mounted a full-court press. That list of questions is basically in line with the tone and tenor of evangelical atheism of that period.

The article isn't clear. Did somebody email Ray and present those questions as their own? Or did they send the list as a "Would you get a load of this nonsense" type of thing?

It would be kind of funny if today's fedora atheist movement is so bereft of intellectual firepower that they're reduced to plagiarizing ancient Internet memes as gotcha questions.

Totally unrelated but I really like Steve Ray.
I assume it was a copy of one of his old emails he decided to address.
 
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Not being a biblical scholar it was still obvious to me that there was a dividing line between the old and new testament. We are now justified by faith and no longer under the law.

But the new testament was still very clear regarding sexual immorality.


God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
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