Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?
- Thread starter YouAreAwesome
- Start date
Andre_b
Well-Known Member
Definition of sanctify
1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE
2: to free from sin : PURIFY
3a: to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to
b: to give moral or social sanction to
4: to make productive of holiness or piety observe the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it— Deuteronomy 5:12
Straightforward meaning wouldn't you say? 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
He didn't sanctify it for himself obviously. It was for man.
Mark 2:27, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”
Last edited:
Upvote
0
And where is the instruction for man to keep it or how to keep it? Where is the instruction that every seventh day thereafter was sanctified?
Upvote
0
Andre_b
Well-Known Member
Where does it say not to keep it? And why does Jesus say that the Sabbath is made for man?
Why would God say that he sanctified it for religious use and made it holy at creation if it wasn't? I guess he's giving us useless information about why the 7th day was created?
Upvote
0
That's not the right question. If I go around telling Christians to paint their faces blue because "Where does it say not to!" then you would rightly decline my command. You see the problem? "Where does it say not to keep it?" with regard to the timeline between Adam and Moses is not the right question. Where does it say not to stand on our heads all day? Where does it say not to be a Breatharian?
We have discussed this in the thread already. The word for man in Mark 2:27 is anthropos which translates to men with regard to Israel in Mark 7:7. In other words, while Jesus was talking to Jews, He said "The Sabbath was made for you". He gave it to the Israelites and made known to them the Sabbath as Nehemiah 9:14 declares:
You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.
Where does it say He sanctified it "for religious use"? All it says is He sanctified it. He set it apart. Just as He sanctifies us and sets us apart when we rest in Him.
There is an abundance of symbolism found in the Sabbath teaching of our eternal rest in God through Jesus. We are no longer working to be good, no longer working to earn brownie points with God, no longer working to try and build that stairway into His good books, we are gifted eternal spiritual comfort and peace; that gift of Sabbath rest in Christ.
Hebrews 4:7 is key:
God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.”
Today is the eternal Sabbath rest. Every day forever is Sabbath.
Upvote
0
Set apart is the meaning of sanctify.
The Sabbath was set apart as a day of rest.
Specifically it was set apart as a day of rest for God, who did the work in Genesis, unless you attribute creation to man’s work?
As far as a religious day being more holy than any other day, the Sabbath does not have that meaning.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it...
Romans 14:5-6
The weekly Sabbath is a shadow of the rest to come.
Do you understand this?
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-1
JLB
Upvote
0
There is a lot to be discussed on Romans 6 and 7. In brief, I believe Paul is talking of his former self when he says "I am carnal, sold under sin" just as later in verse 25 he says "with my flesh I serve the law of sin" but then he writes:
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1-2)
Paul seems to be talking of his former self and comparing to his present Spirit filled self. I find this true by experience. I am not carnal. I am not sold under sin. I am spiritual and I am awesome. Just as you are spiritual, and you are awesome. If we believe we are sinners, we sin, like the eagle raised with chickens. But this is a whole different can of worms that takes it's own thread to hash out. Feel free to give your case for why I am wrong, but I probably won't continue to discuss this as it isn't really on topic to this thread.
The most common way to listen to God is through our heightened conscience but I agree with what you have written here.
Again I am in agreement. However I am sure we differ on the definition of "God's Instructions". I believe He instructs in the present. You believe He instructs us through the law. Though maybe you would include my definition as well? Not sure. All I know is that He talks to us today, not just to Moses and through the bible. Though He can speak to us today through the bible for sure.
Upvote
0
And you believe this is important why? I could say,
The problem, as I see it, is that all the other signs of Covenants,
angels with flaming swords --- Adamic
rainbow --- Noahic
Sabbath--- Mosaic
ec.....
were NOT part of the body....
The sign of Circumcision was made a part of our body
angels with flaming swords --- Adamic
rainbow --- Noahic
Sabbath--- Mosaic
ec.....
were NOT part of the body....
The sign of Circumcision was made a part of our body
Genesis 17:10 "This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised."
Do you see how your reasoning can also be used for other signs and not just the Sabbath?
Where do you get this idea that only the Decalogue was not abolished?
Upvote
0
1. Every Covenant had a different sign.
2. Every Covenant changes the previous covenant in some ways, but not every way. For instance, circumcision is not necessary in the New Covenant..the sign HAS CHANGED.
3. The other signs are NOT part of the 10 commandments.
4. What other of the Laws do YOU think are still in effect? The Civil Law? The Ceremonial Law?
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Andre_b
Well-Known Member
Wow good to see how you twist Jesus' words. Change the meaning of man. Now I know not to trust the scripture twister. Indeed Jesus was right about the doctrines of man like you've here.
You are a liar, you said Hebrews 4:7 says "God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.”
Hebrews 4:7 "Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts." ACTUALLY quotes David psalms 95:7 to not harden your hearts today when hearing his voice.
I don't like when people lie and twist God's words for their own gain. Same for the rest of Hebrews. Now that I see how you change the meaning of passages, I see your true fruits of the "spirit" which is not the Holy Spirit.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
I appreciate your gentle attitude Studyman.
No they were not just to look at. The fact is that they were never given to Israel as the way to salvation. All 613 rules God gave Israel were there to govern a bunch of former slaves. They were never meant to be the guide for eternal life. Read Ex 19:5-6 and you will find out they were to make the Israelites a kinddom of priests and Israel a holy nation. Moses told them how to be saved eternally. The story about Abraham's belief and his faith was and is the key to eternal life. No one is telling you that the ten commandments WERE the ministry of death. That was done by the ambassador of Jesus, Paul. God certainly didn't mean for the ten to be the words that would condemn, but the fact is that they had no saving power and were temporary. Temporary because they were the words of the Sinai covenant which came to a complete end at Calvary where Jesus gave mankind the new and better eternal covenant and ratified His covenant to us with His own blood. Jesus gift of the Holy Spirit is our guide as written by Paul in 2Cor 3:6-11. Jesus didn't remove the Sinai covenant's laws to take away our knowledge of right and wrong. We are instilled with that at birth. Just look at all the nations that have never heard of the ten commandments. They have something that keeps them civil. Jesus didn't leave us lawless either. In John 15 Jesus gives us the greatest command ever given. It covers every aspect of sin, not just nine sins.
Everything that God has ever given to man is Holy. He gave the Law to Israel. He didn't give it to any other nation. Other nations didn't sin because they didn't observe the Sabbath given only to israel. Sure the law is Holy, just and good, BUT it certainly didn't effect those not under it. Read Gal 3, 4 and 5 to get the real story.
Upvote
0
- Apr 18, 2020
- 2,167
- 626
- 65
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
My post wasn't about Rom. 6 and 7. It was about your statement that the 10 Commandments wasn't there to stare at, which I addressed. And why Paul teaches we were all brought under the death penalty of the Law. Not sure why you didn't address why He Said we are all brought under the Law in the first place.
I believe you are right about his former self VS. present self. Paul said he was carnal, sold under sin without the Good, Just, and Holy Laws of God. (Old Self) So how did he remedy this wretched carnal man? "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
The Law of Sin, that is, the Law of the Transgression of God's Commandments is "Death". "The Soul that sins (Transgresses God's Commandments) shall die". So isn't Paul telling me that with HIS Mind, HE is serving God's Commandments, and that is what is guiding his footsteps, just like Jesus? While his carnal flesh is not longer directing his life, because it is "dead", crucified with Christ?
If the Law of God that Paul is "Serving" with his mind is "switched off", then why is Paul serving it?
John said the very same thing.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
But what if we have been convinced the Spiritual Law of God has been "Switched off"? How can the "Law of the Spirit" save us from death, the Law of sin, if it has been "switched off"?
I agree; Serving the Spiritual Law, that is the Laws of God which Paul said was Spiritual not carnal, with his mind, he is no longer carnal minded, but Spiritually minded. Just like Jesus.
Ph. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Well I will not speak for you, but for myself. Only God is awesome, certainly not me. And I do strive against sin, and I do understand how exceedingly EVIL and Wicked it is to transgress God's "Good, Holy and Just Commandments, His Definition of sin. But to say I am perfect and never sin, would be telling a lie, also a sin. For me it has nothing to do with "belief", I have either sinned or I have not. For me the belief/Faith part comes in regarding whether Jesus is advocating on my behalf before God or not. It is my Hope and Faith that HE is.
I believe HE is capable of coming down and personally instructing each individual, but I'm not sure why HE would. If we don't believe HIS Word on earth, why would we believe HIS Word speaking from heaven? As Jesus Himself said;
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
I think you and I differ the most on this very thing. I believe the instructions/Judgments of Almighty God are perfect, Good, Holy and Just. They were Just and Holy when God gave them, they were Just and Holy when Jesus walked in them, and they are still Just and Holy Today.
The reason why we disagree, in my view, is because you have been convinced to believe the Creator "switched off" His Judgments and Instructions. While I believe He writes them on the hearts of HIS People so they will never be "switched off" again.
It seems an unbiased, honest and open discussion of the Scriptures will let us know the Truth that shall set us free. I don't need to be set free from God's Instructions and Judgments, I need to be set free from the Doctrines and Traditions of men, and deceptions from the "other voice" that has lead men away from God for centuries.
Thanks for engaging in these discussions.
Upvote
0
- Nov 21, 2008
- 51,347
- 10,603
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- SDA
- Marital Status
- Married
No command before Sinai - to not take God's name in vain.
No command before Sinai - to honor your mother and father.
No command before Sinai - to Love God with all your heart
No command before Sinai - to Love your neighbor as yourself.
And yet Abraham did keep God's commands, statutes and laws. Gen 26:5
Upvote
0
- Apr 18, 2020
- 2,167
- 626
- 65
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Where did you get this from? I appreciate the kind words, and the reply, but I am interested in learning where this information comes from?
As far as slaves go, before we came to Jesus, were we not all slaved to sin?
Ex. 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
I understand that it is generally accepted in modern religions that God's Instructions in the OT was only for the Israelite's. I question this doctrine because of other Word's inspired by God.
1 Pet. 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, (Jews and Gentiles) as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
I am struck by this Ex. verse you mentioned. Notice that the Blood of the Lamb was shed, and they were "brought out of sin" (Egypt) by the Christ Himself, before God gave them His definition of sin. I would ask you how this is any different than what God told Abraham or what Paul or Peter teaches about Salvation.
Gen. 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ (The Lamb of God) died for us.
There are many more Scriptures which support this teaching. Can you see how I just can't agree that the following Word's were only for men with a certain DNA?
Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine.
This was before Mt. Sinai. Did God promise Abraham the same thing? And Noah? How about Cain?
"If you do well, shall you not be accepted?"
No, I have heard this religious doctrine which teaches the Word of God which became Flesh only gave HIS Judgments, Commandments, Statutes, and Laws to Israel.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
As a brother I would warn to be careful of listening to other religious voices, especially in these evil times.
I really appreciate your reply and the discussion. But do you really believe the nations of the world have been civil? What knowledge of right and wrong were instilled in the Nazi's at birth? Islam? The inquisition? Do you know that in 2015, 638,169 babies were aborted in America alone? In 2018 there were 101,151 reported cases of Rape in America. In 2018 there were 16,214 murders in America. In America in 2018 there were 5,217,055 reported cases of theft.
Are you saying that the nations who have heard of the 10 Commandments are more civil than America? Where is the evidence of the knowledge of right and wrong instilled at birth in this country? I love you brother, but some of these things you are saying are not rooted in truth. I know you mean well, but I am afraid you are being tricked if you truly believe these things you say.
Was Abraham Israel?
Ex. 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Is. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
I have heard of the religious doctrine which teaches That the Word of God which became Flesh only gave HIS instruction to those men of a certain DNA. And I would be fine with that if it were not for the actual WORD's of this Same God.
My friend, Paul believed all that is written in the Law and Prophets. Galatians did not make Void the entire Law and Prophets.
Rom. 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Just like the God of the Bible said in Ex. 12, and Is. 56.
I do not mean to be argumentative or unjust here. I simply want you to consider what the Scriptures actually say, and take heed of the religions of the land you were born into.
thank you so much for the reply. This discussions are good for men to have in these evil times.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Great post !
Just want to say that the laws men follow naturally are called the Natural Law (not the Law of Nature which is different).
The Natural Law is instilled into man when he is born and which is believed even by athesists.
For instance....civil men understand, naturally, that murder is wrong.
Upvote
0
Sorry, but you need to first explain how the Ten Commandments are outside of the Mosaic Law. Why hold them in such high regard?
Upvote
0
I explained why.....
The 10 Commandments are the Moral Law.
The laws (613) of the O.T. consisted of 3 types of law:
Civil
Ceremonial
Moral
The 10 commandments are the Moral Law and cannot be abolished because God is a moral God.
The Civil Law is abolished.
The Ceremonial Law is abolished.
It's not even possible to keep those laws in our society.
It's past midnight here and I must go...however, I'm sure you could find info about this on the net.
If not,,,I'll be happy to look and link some stuff tomorrow.
Let me know.
(do you not agree about the different laws???)
'night.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
pasifika
Well-Known Member
- Apr 1, 2019
- 2,368
- 634
- 45
- Country
- New Zealand
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
How about the two greatest commandments Not in the 10 but written in the book of the law?
Do you believe all the law and Prophets are written about Christ? Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning Himself....
So is Not abolished But Fulfilled....don’t you think?
Upvote
0
Similar threads
