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I believe that 1 Corinthians 14:14 is when you actually speak/give voice to your words that come from your spirit, while Ephesians 6:18 is a continuous silent prayers in the Spirit of a believer's life.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.

Ephesians 6:18 praying always in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.

Justin D said:

And if the spirit is the Holy Spirit which I'm assuming it is how could I pray always in the Spirit if, the Holy Spirit is the one who decides when and what to pray for me? Is 1 cor 14:14 talking about the groaning and moaning in Romans 8:26 (KJV) Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

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The context in Ephesians 6 refers to the praying with the word of God, like praying the scripture i would think.

..and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit,

Justin D said:

It says in an unknown tongue though

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You know, one of those "laba daba laba" utterances that pass for "speaking in tongues" with many of the TV preachers we've all seen.
Best I can tell from the OP, the two references are about the same thing.

I think a basic is it means to constantly seek and submit to the Holy Spirit and how He has us praying. And do not try to counsel Him, but simply pray with Him.

"praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God" (in Jude 20-21)

So, prayer is not just a talking thing, but a deeper spiritual process of staying with God in His love, by submitting to how the Holy Spirit has us sharing with God and submitting to how He rules us in His peace . . . including to pray.

And then we do what He has us doing . . . while we stay in prayer in His love. His love has constant communication, with and without words > this is included in prayer . . . communication in His love.

Justin D said:

Yeah. The scripture says unknown tongue I'm assuming that's what your trying to say.

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Not exactly. Unknown tongues refers to actual languages. However, the people who are most active in arguing for prayer in "unknown tongues" --and which you are most likely to run into--usually insist that any sounds that a person emits, even meaningless syllables, is angelic language (as if there actually were such a thing) or else a real human language that the hearers simply did not recognize.

Justin D said:

Unknown is unknown.

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Not really. There are real languages which the person speaking may have had no knowledge of...and then there is also the phenomenon in which an emotional release produces meaningless syllables which, however, some Christians will insist really ARE a genuine, identifiable, language.

and the scripture says our understanding is unfruitful.

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Yes. Whichever variety of "tongue" we are speaking of, knowing what you are saying to God is essential.

Therefore someone may find the unknown tongues that may sound like syllables meaningless or call them meaningless but how does one know.

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At best, the speaker may have convinced himself that the sounds or words which are unknown to him have some meaning to God. But that's where the verse you cited comes in. No, that kind of "prayer" isn't meaningful as prayer.

Justin D said:

Is praying with my spirit, the same as praying in the spirit?
1 Corinthians 14:14 (KJV) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
Ephesians 6:18 (KJV) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

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I believe they are the same! What a privilege to pray with the spirit in the Spirit!

If you want depth on this subject may i suggest this free series from Dave Roberson. Dave Roberson Ministries Closer to the end is the series "tongues for the believer." If I recall correctly, this set of teachings lays out the role of the human spirit and the Holy Spirit, and where some have erred in understanding what each does. I do not think there is any more advanced teaching on this subject.

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Mr, Ms or Mrs Moderator, you might want to elaborate on why a spiritual thread doesn't belong in a spiritual location?

I was enjoying reading this thread!