should we ask modern prophets when the virus thing will end?

fm107 · May 10, 2020

JAL said:
As I explained at post 127, a completed canon isn't sufficient for the Christian life, as a book cannot possibly replace God personally speaking to you and mentoring you.

From an exegetical standpoint, the cessationist position is literally a joke. I once found about 20 allusions to charismatic dynamics in a single chapter of the Bible (it was Mark 1 as I recall). As Jack Deere noted, no one reads the NT and concludes cessationism on that basis. The real motif is experience, he said. For example he himself wasn't seeing any miracles in his own life and therefore needed an exegetical excuse to explain them away. When a cessationist looks to experience (both past and present) as proof of his position, he violates his own Sola Scriptura-premise.

Admitting that the Bible is not God is dangerous? Admitting that we need the light of the Holy Spirit - Direct Revelation - is dangerous? Why? You seem to think that the primary role of the Christian is to protect the canon. I've got news for you:
(1) Any paranoia of an endangered canon is just cessationist propaganda. I'm not aware of a single Charismatic or Pentecostal in church history who has moved for his own experiences to be canonized. And even if someone had, who is likely to concur? Um...nobody. No Christian that I'm aware of.
(2) Here's the real danger. With 100 billion souls at stake, any lack of Direct Revelation guiding our evangelism is automatically catastrophic. That's why, for example, the NT was careful to define "witnessing" as prophetic utterance (see post 179 on another thread, and post 180).

As your tagline says, "these are just my opinions, not the facts" pretty well sums up your post.

JAL · May 10, 2020

fm107 said:
As your tagline says, "these are just my opinions, not the facts" pretty well sums up your post.

And my unrefuted appeals to Scripture and sound reasoning sum up yours.

Heart2Soul · May 10, 2020

This pastor is anointed as a prophetic voice and he has a heart of God.

Heart2Soul · May 10, 2020

Another excellent teaching about guarding against false prophets:

Jonathan Walkerin · May 10, 2020

Strong in Him said:
But the thousands of people who have spoken in tongues over the last 2000 odd years, would suggest otherwise.

Indeed. It is astonishing to see Holy Spirit in action...well, you do have to check your cell phone so you won’t miss whatever the missus wants you to get from shop

Video: Hilarious moment preacher checks his phone while speaking in tongues | Daily Mail Online

A Realist · May 10, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
should we ask modern prophets when the virus thing will end?

Let's not and say we did.

Blade · May 10, 2020

The problem I see here is.. the prophet today is not the same as the prophet of old. OT they had the sweet sweet holy Spirit in them. So when they spoke you listen. Today.. they don't have the right to speak for God. Like the one with Paul.. said the one that wares this belt.. told what would happen. NEVER what Paul should doi.

The reason is.. any prophet on this earth has the same exact holy Spirit that a believer has. And God is not going to tell that prophet something about you.. that God didn't already tell you.

So PLEASE forgive me .. why can't we ask the God that is in us? As is only a Prophet today hears from God? No.. God talks to us every moment of every day.

As I see and understand Satan is till the god of this world.. judged.. yet the god of this world. For me the word says ALL Good things come from God. Satan comes to kill steal and destroy.

God didn't do this nor allow this. Nor the one before this that also came leaked out of China.. nor the one before that that also came out of China. Shall I keep going? God will turn it as He always has for His glory

Strong in Him · May 11, 2020

fm107 said:
This is what I've been saying all along. See my previous post. In the past, a prophet may foretell and forth tell. Today, there is no foretelling, only forth telling.

Sometimes people forth tell something that hasn't happened yet.

fm107 said:
I believe tongues are actual languages, not the gibberish noises made by Pentecostals.

Because you don't understand something, doesn't make it gibberish.
And I have said that I have read testimonies of Christians speaking in tongues in church and having their message understood by someone from another country.

fm107 said:
If healing really happened today,

It does.

fm107 said:
it would be all over the news.

At times it has been.
Maybe not healing in the way that you seem to think healing should come, but there have been times when the Press reported an illness/accident, said it would be a miracle if that person recovered - yet they did. Christopher Reeve was one. He wasn't expected to live after breaking his neck in an accident, but came out of his coma, started to walk and lived for another 9 years after that, becoming an advocate for spinal injuries. Another case was of a footballer who collapsed on the pitch after a heart attack. There "just happened" to be cardiac doctors among the spectators, and he recovered.
Stories like this - and Jennifer Rees-Larcombe, who was photographed lifting her wheelchair - HAVE appeared in the press.

The result? Those who are Christians, praise God; those who don't/don't want to believe, don't.

fm107 said:
Lame persons being able to walk, blind being able to see, etc - I don't see it happening anywhere.

Well maybe it isn't round where you live.
Or maybe you're focused on seeing one type of miracle (i.e instant healing) and miss what else God is doing. Not an accusation; just saying that it's possible for us to expect God to work in one way only and become so fixed on that, we miss other miracles.

fm107 said:
Nor is there any proof.

Well you could read Jennifer's book, "Unexpected healing" and see what you think.
I have also told you that I have been healed from M.E after 18 years. That is my testimony; believe it or not.

fm107 · May 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Sometimes people forth tell something that hasn't happened yet.

Because you don't understand something, doesn't make it gibberish.
And I have said that I have read testimonies of Christians speaking in tongues in church and having their message understood by someone from another country.

It does.

At times it has been.
Maybe not healing in the way that you seem to think healing should come, but there have been times when the Press reported an illness/accident, said it would be a miracle if that person recovered - yet they did. Christopher Reeve was one. He wasn't expected to live after breaking his neck in an accident, but came out of his coma, started to walk and lived for another 9 years after that, becoming an advocate for spinal injuries. Another case was of a footballer who collapsed on the pitch after a heart attack. There "just happened" to be cardiac doctors among the spectators, and he recovered.
Stories like this - and Jennifer Rees-Larcombe, who was photographed lifting her wheelchair - HAVE appeared in the press.

The result? Those who are Christians, praise God; those who don't/don't want to believe, don't.

Well maybe it isn't round where you live.
Or maybe you're focused on seeing one type of miracle (i.e instant healing) and miss what else God is doing. Not an accusation; just saying that it's possible for us to expect God to work in one way only and become so fixed on that, we miss other miracles.

Well you could read Jennifer's book, "Unexpected healing" and see what you think.
I have also told you that I have been healed from M.E after 18 years. That is my testimony; believe it or not.

Healing in the New Testament was instant and was complete, not partial healing with one exception where there was a special lesson being taught.

The NT shows that when a man speaks in a tongue there is to be an interpreter as in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 or else keep silent and the number of speakers are limited to 2 or 3 at most, and in turn. I don't see that happening either, do you see this happening?

Someone previously posted this video, do you seriously believe this is of God?

Video: Hilarious moment preacher checks his phone while speaking in tongues | Daily Mail Online

Matthew 6:7 - vain repetitions is what I see happening which is often the case with pentecostals.

As, I've said, we will simply have to agree to disagree.

Strong in Him · May 11, 2020

fm107 said:
Healing in the New Testament was instant and was complete, not partial healing with one exception where there was a special lesson being taught.

That doesn't mean we can put God in a box and insist that he only heals that way today, or we don't believe it.
As I said, I have been healed of M.E, Jennifer was healed after 8 years in a wheelchair and others have been healed too - believe it or don't.

fm107 said:
The NT shows that when a man speaks in a tongue there is to be an interpreter as in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 or else keep silent and the number of speakers are limited to 2 or 3 at most, and in turn. I don't see that happening either, do you see this happening?

I don't, nowadays, go to churches which have open prayer or where people do speak in tongues.
Because I don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Again, go on to the "Spirit filled/Charismatic" section of the forum, under Faith groups, and debate this further.

fm107 said:
Someone previously posted this video, do you seriously believe this is of God?

Video: Hilarious moment preacher checks his phone while speaking in tongues | Daily Mail Online

Speaking in tongues is of God - and if the speaker knows they are fabricating tongues, that is between them and God. Haven't yet watched the video. If he was using his phone to reproduce tongues, he is seeking to deceive people; if he just had it switched on, during a time of prayer, and it rang, that is stupidity.

fm107 said:
Matthew 6:7 - vain repetitions is what I see happening which is often the case with pentecostals.

As I said, because you don't understand, doesn't mean it is gibberish or nonsense - God judges the heart.

fm107 · May 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
As I said, because you don't understand, doesn't mean it is gibberish or nonsense - God judges the heart.

It is gibberish because it is not a known language. It's made up noises, not an earthly tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:27-28 is clear that the intention of tongues is that we should gain understanding through an interpreter otherwise the man speaking in tongues should be silent. So at the very least, they are not practicing what scripture says. God will judge it, your quite right there.

As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. Nice speaking with you.

Strong in Him · May 11, 2020

fm107 said:
It is gibberish because it is not a known language. It's made up noises, not an earthly tongue.

How do you know if you don't understand it?

fm107 said:
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. Nice speaking with you.

And with you.

Jonathan Walkerin · May 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Press reported an illness/accident, said it would be a miracle if that person recovered - yet they did.

Those cases usually refer to your odds. If every unlikely recovery is a miracle does it mean every unlikely death is the work of Satan ?

Just curious since a guy lifting his wheelchair and walking is always a God’s miracle but someone dying when rose thorn pricked him and he got infection is just usually labeled bad luck.

Strong in Him · May 11, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Those cases usually refer to your odds. If every unlikely recovery is a miracle does it mean every unlikely death is the work of Satan ?

Well death and sickness come from Satan, so in a sense, yes.
Though I don't believe Satan can sneak anything past God, so if God didn't have reason for it to happen, it wouldn't.

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Just curious since a guy lifting his wheelchair and walking is always a God’s miracle but someone dying when rose thorn pricked him and he got infection is just usually labeled bad luck.

I suppose it depends on who's doing the labelling.

I don't believe God wants bad things to happen, but I do believe he is in control, never sleeps and no one can get anything past him. So no one can become ill and God is thinking; 'when did that happen; how did I miss that?" Which means, for reasons we may never know, he must have allowed it to happen.

CaspianSails · May 11, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
should we ask modern prophets when the virus thing will end?

My only comment is this. It is very difficult to discern a true prophet who is still uttering prophesy is it not?

DerSchweik · May 11, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
should we ask modern prophets when the virus thing will end?

Kenneth Copeland has already executed judgment on the Wuhan Flu and demanded a vaccination to come immediately. He declared "It is finished! It is over!"

Just...wow... :facepalm:

Jonathan Walkerin · May 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
I don't believe God wants bad things to happen, but I do believe he is in control, never sleeps and no one can get anything past him. So no one can become ill and God is thinking; 'when did that happen; how did I miss that?" Which means, for reasons we may never know, he must have allowed it to happen.

There seems to be the perception on this that when the good things happen against the odds the God or Holy Spirit took positive action and when a Chinese family drowns in human and animal waste

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horror-family-five-drown-septic-10432567

then God merely allows it to happen for mysterious reasons.

Strong in Him · May 12, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
There seems to be the perception on this that when the good things happen against the odds the God or Holy Spirit took positive action and when a Chinese family drowns in human and animal waste
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horror-family-five-drown-septic-10432567
Horror as family of five drown in septic tank of urine and excrement

then God merely allows it to happen for mysterious reasons.

Yes, but the alternative to that is to say that God didn't know what was going to happen to the Chinese family, fell asleep/took his eye off the ball and the devil sneaked in and did something that God didn't want.

As hard as the "allowing it to happen for unknown reasons" scenario is, it's preferable to one where God isn't all powerful, is sometimes in charge and the devil sometimes gets the better of him and upsets his plans.

Strong in Him · May 12, 2020

DerSchweik said:
Kenneth Copeland has already executed judgment on the Wuhan Flu and demanded a vaccination to come immediately. He declared "It is finished! It is over!"

Just...wow... :facepalm:

I wonder what he's saying now? I would imagine it's not "I was wrong".
Just as Harold Camping had to come up with an alternative explanation when his widely publicised date for Jesus' return came and went without incident.

Hazelelponi · May 12, 2020

Heart2Soul said:
all we got are signs to look for....

Luke 11:29

Why don't you just speak plainly....say you don't believe it and quit trying to slice and dice it until it's in the little bite size pieces you can swallow.

You know, these modern prophets of our day who can't discern the weather are a lot like Barnes and Nobel witches - fakes chasing air because they read a book and wanted to be something other than what they are.

Christians don't need to seek after any of it.... you see the signs as easily as the weather, or you don't see it at all.

Christ came at the end of the age and all the Jews in name only couldn't even recognize their Savior because they were too busy looking for the signs they desired to have.. I see little difference between them and the modern Barnes and Nobel prophets.

The Jews were all so sure they knew how it was going to play out they completely missed what actually did. And all these modern "prophets" are still missing the mark, learning not one lesson from their predecessors..

If you want to be believed, 1.) Be 100% accurate in all your predictions in specificity and 2) show that God is with you, by being able to dip a cup into the Nile and have it become blood as you pour it on the ground... or being able to throw your walking stick on the ground and have it turn into a living snake.. etc etc

Signs are for those who don't believe and quite frankly, I don't believe you. (I do believe my God, however).

Any charlatan can make wildly vague predictions and have the 1/3 come out roses.

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