a-lily-of-peace
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If you mean the way the Tetragrammaton is translated as “LORD” then no, I’m not comfortable with that. But in that verse from Ephesians, the word was kyrios from the start.
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Who Composed the Assembly?
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I've been uncomfortable with the ambiguity that the manipulation of these words have created since I was a teenager.
Even if we were to attribute the naming of the assembly to kyrios, (which translates to the same phonetics as another word that translates to the same phonetics which can mean Ba'al, when speaking to those who are coming to Yahshua from Paganism (That was a mouthful, Just look at the confusion that has been created.)) which doesn't really match; how would we apply that name in light of Acts 16:30?
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"All" the "people of God" compose the "assembly".
Who are these "people of God"?
The Jews who believe in Jesus Christ and produce good fruit are members of the assembly of God.
Luke 1:16
He (John the Baptist) will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God.
Luke 1:68
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them.
Matthew 7:19
Every tree (person) that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire (of hell).
The Gentiles who live godly (holy) lives are members of the people of God/assembly aka church.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
Ephesians 2:19
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,
Jesus saves all men (and women) who renounce worldly passions and live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world and who are zealous for good deeds. These men and women are God's own people.
Titus 2:11-14
For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds.
The unbelieving Pharisees are not members of the assembly/kingdom of God.
Matthew 21:43
“Therefore I tell you (Jews) that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people (Gentiles) who will produce its fruit.
Luke 16:14-16
The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all this, and they scoffed at him. 15 But he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God. 16 “The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.
The immoral Christians are not members of the kingdom of God.
James 4:4
You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
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Except it is you who brought up the point you call no man Rabbi or Teacher. If you were to follow this logic and take absolutely literally Christ's words that no man should be called Father then you introduce an understanding that cannot be justified if we look at the scripture as a whole. Abraham is a Father of many nations, not only that he is also a Father in faith. Paul called him the Father of us all for a good reason. This should dispel the notion that Christ was speaking absolutely literally when he was saying call no man Father. Lest we also fail to honour the command to honour our Mother and Father (we can't call our earthly fathers dad then can we? Or even acknowledge them).
But your right. It is off topic. I only bring it up to show your bad understanding of scripture. So to bring it back to the topic, the implication of this thread is all kinds of wrong. I know you don't like this fact but the New Testament was written in Greek and it also doesn't describe the Apostles purely or only gathering in synagogues. We see examples of house Churches of rich members of the Church (Col 4:15 - Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters at Laodicea and to Nympha and the church in her house.)
The inference you seem to draw is unwarranted and the distinction between Ecclesia and Synagogue in the New Testament perfectly conveys the the Idea that the two are not the same. This shouldn't be surprising since the Apostolic authors when writing the New Testament distinguished between the two in their own words in Greek.
I also find your Sacred-Namism beliefs unwarranted. It's a modern belief that doesn't seem to be represented anywhere in the New Testament or by Jews of the Time. That the New Testament authors had no problem with using Greek terms like Theos, Kyrios and others should dispel notions of Sacred Name theology by that fact alone. It is not a sin to call Christ Lord.
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a-lily-of-peace
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I came from paganism and I was blessed to meet someone who talked to me about God’s name before I even converted. I don’t think you’re wrong to want to do that. Proverbs 18:10 is truth.
You mean Acts 16:31 where it says the Lord Jesus? I really don’t know Greek but it says “kyrion” there. I wonder if the problem is with English, really. This issue wouldn’t happen with “iglesia” coming from ecclesia even though if you asked how to translate church to Spanish, even the building would be called la iglesia.
This is actually an interesting topic and I’ve been thinking about it and discussed with my husband, so thank you for that. If it really is from the name of that “goddess” I apologise for being wrong, if it’s from kyrios then I do wonder why English took that route.
More to think than to say, right?
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