Not "when the Bible is here" but when last book of the Bible (Revelation) was written down by John on the Island of Patmos.
As the Bible was only put together a couple of hundred years later, with people deciding which books to include and in what order, how did anyone know that John was writing the last book?
Yes, it refers to end times and a new heaven and earth, but it still might not have been the last book. The idea of a Bible had not been thought of then.
That is the only verse you have to say that tongues and prophecy will cease, and the interpretation that they HAVE now ceased, is yours.
Like I said, you only need one testimony of tongues/prophecy/healing to disprove your theory.
2) Where are all the healers during this Covid 19 pandemic? We could really use them now. Wouldn't they be on the front pages of the newspapers, etc?
i) Doctors and nurses, and yes, they are on the front pages of the newspapers.
ii) If you mean that we should be seeing people who heal miraculously and instantly; why? And the fact that we're not, does not mean that God doesn't heal today.
3) I don't believe that healing by way of the laying on of hands is still active. I do believe God may choose to heal through prayer. The laying on of hands to heal (the gift the apostles had are no more).
That's your belief, I'm telling you what I KNOW. Jennifer Rees Larcombe was healed after 8 years in a wheelchair, I was healed instantly of M.E; both involved laying on of hands. Believe it or not - doesn't change anything.
We come from 2 different perspectives, 2 opposing doctrines. I think we will need to agree to disagree.
Fine - but it would have been nice if you had answered my questions.
Sister.
The word "perfect" is in the greek: "complete," "having reached its end"
So when 1 Corinthians 13:10 speaks of the perfect, it's not referring to "without mistake/fault" but rather perfect in the sense of completion.
When Jesus returns, all be be complete and completely fulfilled.
Yes, so we are in agreement that these are temporary.
Everything's temporary - this world, life, church buildings, the Scriptures etc.
When Jesus returns, the Kingdom of God is here and we have a new heaven and a new earth, we won't need any of it.
We simply disagree over how temporary.
Yes, because you've decided that Paul means "after Revelation, the last book of the Bible, has been written."
Why do you think these three gifts are singled out as being temporary? There are over 20 NT gifts.
Because that's what the Corinthians were arguing about - the belief that having certain sign gifts made you more spiritual, or superior in some way. That's why he says that they are all part of the body of Christ; they don't all have the same gift and everyone needs everyone else.
There are people today who still think that speaking in tongues is the mark of a Christian, and others who think that the outward gifts are the only important ones. I have never heard of anyone pleading with God to give them the gift of administration.
I put it to you that these ceased in the early period of the church.
You can put what you like to me; I don't agree.
If God is still revealing new revelation through prophecies, it stands to reason that your saying the Bible still has not been completed, that God is still imparting this knowledge to us.
No, you missed, or ignored, what I said about prophecy being FORTH telling the word of God. And it is not at all impossible that God might send a person to someone with a word about their personal life - a job he wants them to take or something he wants them to do/not do. The Bible doesn't address things like work, church attendance, where to live, if/when to have children and so on.
David knew the commands written in the Scriptures; God still sent Nathan to him to tell him that he had sinned and the consequences of that.
I put it to you that God's revelation has been given to us, nothing more is being imparted in way of divine revelation from God.
Not quite - God won't add to or change his word that is written in Scripture, but he can, will and does show us new truths, help us to understand things and open our minds and hearts to receive new things from him.
We might say that "God is love" is not a new truth, for example; but I certainly believe and understand that more now than I did 25 years ago. I have also seen parables, and apply them to my life, in new ways. The Spirit shows us how God's word applies to us today; that is new revelation.
The cannon of scripture is complete.
Yes, of course it is.
That doesn't mean that God doesn't speak to us today, reveal his will for our lives to us or show us new things in the Scriptures. If a Christian is not constantly learning and growing in love, faith and understanding, there's something wrong.
