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They all cannot start at the mid-point and be within the 7 year 70th week.
But they all do start when The leader of the OWG conquers Beulah and sits in the Temple.
The plus 30 and 75 of Daniel 12:11-12, all carry on past the Return of Jesus.
As verse 11 plainly says: From the time the regular offering and the AoD is set up, 1290 days will elapse.

Your idea of it starting at day 1185, is contrary to scripture.
I don't see anything on your list of the person having been killed and come back to life, nor why.

Who the false prophet has the world make an image of.

I don't see anything on your list of the world worshiping that person.
Nor his image.
There are many details I have omitted, as I have kept it consise and simple.
This kind of rebuttal is useless and just pedantic nonsense.

I provided 93 Bible verses to support my post #59. Are any of them wrong or taken out of context?
 
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As verse 11 plainly says: From the time the regular offering and the AoD is set up, 1290 days will elapse.

Your idea of it starting at day 1185, is contrary to scripture.
No, it is contrary to Keras, who has the the 30 days and 45 days extending beyond the 70th week, and is claiming a "re-dedication of the temple"- but has yet to provide any end-time scriptures of re-dedication of the temple.

What the text actually says is the temple will be cleansed (of those things which have made it desolate, implied).

Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

There are many details I have omitted, as I have kept it consise and simple.
This kind of rebuttal is useless and just pedantic nonsense.
You are leaving out from your list three of the most important elements of the 7 year 70th week. (1) The worshiping of the beast. (2) The person being killed and why. (3) And the person coming back to life.

I provided 93 Bible verses to support my post #59. Are any of them wrong or taken out of context?
You have taken them all out of context because you don't have a timeline chart of how they all fit together - one picture. You have left out major biblical events of that picture (which I listed three above) that makes the interpretations you have made in your list in-cohesive as a valid scenario.
 
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What the text actually says is the temple will be cleansed (of those things which have made it desolate, implied).
It is in 2 Maccabees 10:1-8, when the 2nd Temple was rededicated after the defeat of Antiochus 4th. Daniel 8:9-14, is all a fulfilled prophecy of that time. 167 to 164 BC.
A decree was promulgated that Israel would celebrate the 25th Kislev every year, the Hanukkah feast of candle lighting. Which the Jews have kept.
This was a precursor for the rededication of the new 3rd Temple, to happen 75 days after Jesus Returns.
You have taken them all out of context
ALL Douggg? Just give one, a single example of a verse I have used that doesn't fit where I have used it.
Show how it and the context fits another event, and what that other event is.
 
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It is in 2 Maccabees 10:1-8, when the 2nd Temple was rededicated after the defeat of Antiochus 4th. Daniel 8:9-14, is all a fulfilled prophecy of that time. 167 to 164 BC.
A decree was promulgated that Israel would celebrate the 25th Kislev every year, the Hanukkah feast of candle lighting. Which the Jews have kept.
But that is not end times.
This was a precursor for the rededication of the new 3rd Temple, to happen 75 days after Jesus Returns.
What end times text says the temple will be rededicated?

ALL Douggg? Just give one, a single example of a verse I have used that doesn't fit where I have used it.
Show how it and the context fits another event, and what that other event is.
I gave you the text a couple of times already of the critical event of the person having been killed and comeback to life and worshiped that you have left out.

This statement you have made (in your post #59) is wrong...

Re; the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel and the 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years of Rev; They all commence at the mid point of the final 7 years, when the AC sits in the Temple, causing the Abomination, etc. All the same thing, as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4.

...the Antichrist sitting in the temple is not the Abomination of Desolation (a thing, an idol), but the Transgression of Desolation - an act.

And Paul did not say all those things are the same thing. You are the one claiming they are the same thing. But they are not.

Make a timeline chart and show the Transgression of Desolation, the act, and the Abomination of Desolation, a thing. And it will become obvious that those two items can't both be on the mid-point day.

And in actuality, neither of them will be on the mid-point day, but at least approximately 3 months before the exact mid-point day.
 
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When I don't, as in making wrong date predictions, then I apologize for my personal error.
But I make no apology when I point out prophesies that contradict the weird and fanciful beliefs of many people.
My OP on this thread has some very important information for us today. Ignoring it and castigating the messenger, is the height of stupidity.

According to scripture, ignoring you for making false predictions is not the height of stupidity. It's quite the opposite.

We know right off the bat, that your false predictions are not messages from the Lord.


Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
 
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People are becoming more and more apprehensive about the future, as we experience a proliferation of natural disasters, with increasing political and economic problems, coupled with shortages of food and resources, mostly due to overpopulation.

But, the most obvious and the prophesied flash point of danger is the Middle East. The very existence of the State of Israel in their midst is an anathema to all the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 lists the origins of those people who will conspire to ‘wipe out Israel as a nation’.
When their attack commences, God will then answer the prayer of Psalms 83:13-18 Scatter them, my God, like thistledown, as a fire raging through the forest. Terrify them with Your storm winds, let them suffer disgrace and perish.

Many prophecies state how the Lord will act on this Day of His vengeance and wrath:

Micah 4:11-12 But now, many nations are massed against you, they say; Let Zion suffer, we will gloat over her downfall. They do not know God’s purpose – He has gathered them as sheaves for the threshing. Matthew 3:12

Psalms 37:13-15 The Lord will laugh at the wicked, their judgement is coming. They have prepared their weapons, but their swords will pierce their own hearts.

Isaiah 66:15-16 See: The Lord is coming in fire, bringing His retribution and anger. He will judge with fire and sword to test all mankind. All the wicked will die.

Deuteronomy 32:41-42 I will sharpen My flashing sword and take vengeance on those who hate Me. Nahum 1:2

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all evildoers will be as stubble, destroyed in a fiery blaze. 2 Peter 3:7, Hebrews 10:27

Isaiah 30:26-33 The sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness. On that Day He will protect and save His people. See; the Lord Himself comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. With fire, He sieves the nations for destruction. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17
Ref: REB, some verses condensed.


There are many other Bible passages that describe this Day. What we can establish from them is;

1/ It is this event that takes people unawares – that ‘comes as a thief’. Much later, for the glorious Return of Jesus, we are given the exact time from certain events.

2/ It will be a worldwide event, of 24-36 hours duration. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 50:1-4

3/ The Lord will actually cause fire to destroy His enemies, by the means of a CME sunstrike. Their own weapons will contribute to their destruction, the heat flash and the intense electromagnetic pulse will make rockets and explosives detonate on the ground. Psalms 7:12-16, Joel 3:4

4/ His Righteous people will be kept safe and in a short time; Isaiah 29:17, they will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah: Isaiah 62:4, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 31:7-14, Ezekiel 34:11-31
 
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People are becoming more and more apprehensive about the future, as we experience a proliferation of natural disasters, with increasing political and economic problems, coupled with shortages of food and resources, mostly due to overpopulation.

But, the most obvious and the prophesied flash point of danger is the Middle East. The very existence of the State of Israel in their midst is an anathema to all the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 lists the origins of those people who will conspire to ‘wipe out Israel as a nation’.
When their attack commences, God will then answer the prayer of Psalms 83:13-18 Scatter them, my God, like thistledown, as a fire raging through the forest. Terrify them with Your storm winds, let them suffer disgrace and perish.

Many prophecies state how the Lord will act on this Day of His vengeance and wrath:

Micah 4:11-12 But now, many nations are massed against you, they say; Let Zion suffer, we will gloat over her downfall. They do not know God’s purpose – He has gathered them as sheaves for the threshing. Matthew 3:12

Psalms 37:13-15 The Lord will laugh at the wicked, their judgement is coming. They have prepared their weapons, but their swords will pierce their own hearts.

Isaiah 66:15-16 See: The Lord is coming in fire, bringing His retribution and anger. He will judge with fire and sword to test all mankind. All the wicked will die.

Deuteronomy 32:41-42 I will sharpen My flashing sword and take vengeance on those who hate Me. Nahum 1:2

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all evildoers will be as stubble, destroyed in a fiery blaze. 2 Peter 3:7, Hebrews 10:27

Isaiah 30:26-33 The sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness. On that Day He will protect and save His people. See; the Lord Himself comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. With fire, He sieves the nations for destruction. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17
Ref: REB, some verses condensed.


There are many other Bible passages that describe this Day. What we can establish from them is;

1/ It is this event that takes people unawares – that ‘comes as a thief’. Much later, for the glorious Return of Jesus, we are given the exact time from certain events.

2/ It will be a worldwide event, of 24-36 hours duration. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 50:1-4

3/ The Lord will actually cause fire to destroy His enemies, by the means of a CME sunstrike. Their own weapons will contribute to their destruction, the heat flash and the intense electromagnetic pulse will make rockets and explosives detonate on the ground. Psalms 7:12-16, Joel 3:4

4/ His Righteous people will be kept safe and in a short time; Isaiah 29:17, they will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah: Isaiah 62:4, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 31:7-14, Ezekiel 34:11-31

Again, why should we agree with your position, which is just 1 out of a thousand end time theories which just keeps moving the goal posts, when you have been wrong before on your futurist predictions?

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
 
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No it does not. He was talking to the jews about not being deceived by a false messiah.
Jesus was talking to the disciples. They were the first Christians. We are the result of their evangelizing.
That many Christians HAVE been deceived about the end times events, is quite evident by the many contradicting views and beliefs among them today.
Again, why should we agree with your position, which is just 1 out of a thousand end time theories which just keeps moving the goal posts, when you have been wrong before on your futurist predictions?
I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be one. I am a messenger, as my name says.
The Message I promote is just what the real Prophets said. That you disagree with them, is your prerogative, but to abuse the messenger is your disgrace.
 
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I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be one. I am a messenger, as my name says.The Message I promote is just what the real Prophets said. That you disagree with them, is your prerogative, but to abuse the messenger is your disgrace.

Prophets are messengers of God...….. I do not disagree with the prophets, I disagree with your interpretation of them. And since you have a track record of false predictions based on YOUR OWN interpretation of the prophets, it can be concluded that your futuristic messages are not words the Lord has spoken:

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.


I'll take Peter's word that the all prophets from Samuel on, spoke of the time of Christ and the Cross and the days of the 1st century, over a random internet person who makes false predictions.

Acts 3:28 Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days
 
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Acts 3:28 Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days
As is plain to most people, we still await the fulfilment of most of the prophesies.
Your belief that they are fulfilled, is not correct and is contrary to Paul's admonition in 1 Thess 5:1-5

The Prophets will be vindicated! And those who promote their prophesies and who help people to understand them, will be too.
 
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Keras, How do you reconcile THIS:
As is plain to most people, we still await the fulfilment of most of the prophesies.
Your belief that they are fulfilled, is not correct and is contrary to Paul's admonition in 1 Thess 5:1-5

With THIS:
The dead know nothing, they lie in their graves. Job 14:10, Isaiah 38:18,

Why would Paul admonish them (the 1st century church in Thessaloniki) to stay alert and clear-headed (v 6)...when he knew full well that would be an impossibility for them to do in the grave for ~2000 years?
 
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Keras, How do you reconcile THIS:

With THIS:
Why would Paul admonish them (the 1st century church in Thessaloniki) to stay alert and clear-headed (v 6)...when he knew full well that would be an impossibility for them to do in the grave for ~2000 years?
Its always good for to be alert and clearheaded.

Paul was one of the last prophets from God and what he said has the most application to us, now in the time of the end of this Church age.
Just like Ezekiel 12:27, all the Prophets told about future things to happen, like the conquest and exile of both the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes and the House of Judah. Ezekiel 4:4-6
Judah has returned, but Israel remains scattered among the nations.

It is quite plain to anyone reading all the Prophets, that most of what they said is yet to be fulfilled.
We DO have a future and one prophecy that we generally agree on; is that Jesus will Return in power and glory to the earth.
It is what has been said to happen before that great Day, that we should know about and be prepared for.
 
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The Prophets will be vindicated! And those who promote their prophesies and who help people to understand them, will be too.

The prophets, who prophesied of salvation and grace, were vindicated at Christ's coming in the flesh to save the world, through His ministry, Death, Resurrection, Ascension, and sending of the Spirit.

Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Acts 3:24 And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days.

2 corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

Acts 13:32 And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus

1 Peter 1:10-12 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or timea the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

The prophets, who prophesied of the days of vengeance, were vindicated in the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem.

Luke 21:20-22 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.

Your belief that they are fulfilled, is not correct and is contrary to Paul's admonition in 1 Thess 5:1-5

My belief that Christ fulfilled everything written about in Him in the Law, Psalms, and prophets is contrary to scripture? I disagree.

Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Acts 3:28 Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days
 
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Right; Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to this treaty between the new nation of Beulah and the leader of the OWG. They will be punished for it. Daniel 11:32-35

As a retired builder, I know very well how to draw and read plans. They give the sizes and construction shapes. But what is also needed is the Specification, which sets out the details and the standards required.
With your chart, as soon as I saw that you had misplaced the Sixth Seal, I just rejected all of it.
You do realize, or you should; that to move around the given sequence of Revelation, constitutes a taking away or adding to, that Book?

I post again a sequence of the end time events. I have yet to have any comments, good or bad on it.

Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3 It will be the Sixth Seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Revelation 6:12-17 A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap, from the Sixth Seal, until the Return of Jesus.

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christians, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.

The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7

To start, I'm glad you admit that what you call 'Beulah' is making the covenant with Death.

What you are describing in current political terms: presumably globally, the political Left is being herded into the pagan/ United Religions of the One world government (which is the bronze kingdom of Daniel 2:39 and/ or the 4 headed Leopard of Daniel 7:6 - the 'wings of a fowl' could be referring to France's Rooster symbol, ie Emmanuel Macron in some manner).

The political right is being herded into 'Beulah' which is, in fact, the 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 and/or the 4th Beast of Daniel 7. (my personal opinion is that the 4th Beast is apostate Ephraim, the bull of Deuteronomy 33:17. Faithful Christians comprise the 'fullness of the Gentiles' and are the 'great multitude' of Revelation 7. [the name 'Ephraim' means 'great multitude']. Put differently, Ephraim will undergo a civil war, faithful vs unfaithful. The unfaithful will have a king = the little horn of Daniel 7's 4th Beast. The faithful will have no king 'for many days' Hosea 3:4-5.

Put yet another way, it is the One world government (the kingdom of Bronze) that is creating 'Beulah' (the kingdom of Iron & clay) (the clay are the faithful who have no king).

You say that the 7 trumpets & 7 bowls both start at the same time, at the mid-point of the 7 year covenant with Death. But, these are 2 different times. The man of sin is revealed (starting the Day of the Lord at the 1st Trumpet). The unfaithful start to be punished 7 times (Leviticus 26:18) (= 7 Trumpets). At the mid-point of this covenant, then 'Beulah' is 'caught in the snare' (at the 7th Trumpet/ Rev 13's beast from the sea) (Exodus 34:12-15). Death makes a covenant with Beulah, then 1260 days later, 'Beulah' gets 'caught in the snare' which triggers the 7 Bowls of wrath. (Is Beulah going to get 'caught in the snare' at the very onset? No. Are the people in the One World Govt caught in the snare from the very onset? Yes.) The False Prophet is a hero of Beulah, who will trick the inhabitants of Beulah / apostate Ephraim into worshiping another god.

Lastly, the 6th Seal is in association with the abomination.

Matt 24
15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
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29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

These signs are the same as at the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-14.

Doug misunderstands the 'abomination' to be the 'living image' of Rev 13's beast from the earth.

- 1st, the abomination in 'Judea'. (= 6th Seal, the 'day arrives' that the man of sin is revealed) (we are seeing the beginnings of this right now - in fact, the 'end of the city comes with a flood' (Daniel 9:26) (Genesis 7:24 says that the flood can be interpreted as 150 days.)

- People are faithful or unfaithful. (= 'people coming out of the great tribulation' 7th Seal/ Revelation 7:14)

- Mystery Babylon is destroyed (1st - 4th Trumpets) (the 'day arrives' that the man of sin is revealed)

- 5 months of the 5th Trumpet

- 6th Trumpet, the 4 Beasts of Daniel 7 are released, one of which is the One World govt (the 4 headed Leopard is 'given dominion' in Daniel 7:6, then shortly thereafter, the 4th Beast, what you call Beulah, is set up as an imitation of the Millenium kingdom by the 3rd Beast).

- When the 4th Beast (Beulah) is set up, then this triggers the 2 witnesses 1260 days. After 1260 days, then Beulah's False Prophet 'snares' Beulah with the living image. This triggers the 7 bowls of wrath.​
 
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The political right is being herded into 'Beulah' which is, in fact, the 4th kingdom of Daniel 2 and/or the 4th Beast of Daniel 7.
I vehemently disagree with all of your ideas.
Beulah will be a nation of Christians. Only the faithful people of God will be allowed to live there. Isaiah 35:8-10, Ezekiel 20:34-38 make that clear.
However, as Isaiah 28:14-15 prophesies, their leaders at that time; will make the mistake of agreeing to a 7 year treaty of peace with the Leader of the One World Govt. I see that treaty as one of mutual trade cooperation and to not interfere with one another's affairs.

Lastly, the 6th Seal is in association with the abomination.

Matt 24
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

These signs are the same as at the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-14.
The signs that preceed the glorious Return of Jesus are absolutly not the same as what will happen at the soon to happen Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Some similarities, but plainly not the same event.

Proved by how Matthew 24:29a and Revelation 15:1 say the Tribulation and the Lord's wrath are over before Jesus Returns.
 
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Where, if anywhere, does the attempt to rebuild Isreal with a temple, come into "End Times" (in your view)?

I have no position on this myself (a rareity in itself! ^_^ ) so am asking without any agenda.

Revelation 11:1-2 shows the existence of another Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. The time periods of the last 3 trumpets from Rev.9 thru Rev.11 each have a Woe attached to them. The 1st Woe is with the 5th trumpet of Rev.9:1-12. The 2nd Woe is with the 6th trumpet of Rev.9:13 thru Rev.11:14. The 3rd final Woe is with the 7th final trumpet, which in Rev.11:14-18 is about the day of Christ's 2nd coming. Thus the temple shown in Rev.11:1-2 is just prior to Christ's 2nd coming on the 7th trumpet - 3rd Woe.

In Matthew 24:15-26, our Lord Jesus showed about an idol abomination being set in place in Jerusalem, and that linked with the coming of a pseudo-Christ that will work great and wonders that will IF it were possible, even deceive His very elect. That "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel (Daniel 8, 9, 11, 12).

In Revelation 13, Apostle John was shown about a certain false one coming (the "another beast", or a 2nd beast) working great signs and wonders to deceive. He is to setup the "image of the beast" for all to worship or be killed.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Apostle Paul also warned about this certain false one coming to do signs and lying wonders, and setup himself up as God in the temple of God at Jerusalem.

The Daniel 11:31 event requires a standing temple in Jerusalem to fulfill the prophecy. It also requires ongoing sacrifices per the old covenant. That is exactly what the orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem plan for the near future, a rebuilt temple and old covenant worship practice again. They do not believe in the New Covenant Jesus. The devout Jews still believe they are under the old covenant.
 
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I vehemently disagree with all of your ideas.
Beulah will be a nation of Christians. Only the faithful people of God will be allowed to live there. Isaiah 35:8-10, Ezekiel 20:34-38 make that clear.
However, as Isaiah 28:14-15 prophesies, their leaders at that time; will make the mistake of agreeing to a 7 year treaty of peace with the Leader of the One World Govt. I see that treaty as one of mutual trade cooperation and to not interfere with one another's affairs.

The signs that preceed the glorious Return of Jesus are absolutly not the same as what will happen at the soon to happen Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Some similarities, but plainly not the same event.

Proved by how Matthew 24:29a and Revelation 15:1 say the Tribulation and the Lord's wrath are over before Jesus Returns.

The nation of Christians that you speak of is the 'kingdom of heaven' and that only arises at the 7th Trumpet.

Unfaithful Christians go into the great tribulation. Any 'Christian' nation that exists before the 7th Trumpet is not faithful, as it is set up by the dragon (Revelation 13:2).

The 'kingdom of heaven' that arises at the 7th Trumpet starts to form at the same time that the antichrist's kingdom is forming (at the 1st Trumpet). People that are not of the antichrist's kingdom are potential 7th Trumpet 'kingdom of heaven' citizens. Not everyone that rejects the antichrist's kingdom will be faithful.

The thing that is most misunderstood about the Olivet Discourse is this:

15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
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19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [...]

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days
the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Isn't it obvious that the 'trumpet call' is the gathering at the 7th Seal and the 'last trumpet' gathering up of the 2 witnesses before the 7th Trumpet?

Here it is worded differently:

when you see the abomination, there will be tribulation in Judea. The word 'then' in verse 23 is 'tote' G5119 which can mean 'at that time'. After the tribulation in Judea, then false christs arise.

Immediately after the abomination & false christs start to arise, then you will be gathered at the 7th Seal/ 1st Trumpet.

Immediately after the abomination & after the duration of the tribulation of the false christs, then you will be gathered at the end of the 6th Trumpet/ start of the 7th Trumpet.

See the 2 different ways of understanding it? The prophecy would be self-defeating to spell it out exactly:
there will be the abomination and it will appear to be the end of the world, then false christs arise.
= 6th Seal/ 1st Trumpet

After the false christs amount of time, then there is the 2nd gathering at the 7th Trumpet.
The 'standard model' that makes people not understand the sequence is that they think it goes: covenant, breaks covenant with abomination, great tribulation, end of 7 yrs is the holy place

but it is actually:
  • abomination / 6th Seal
  • man of sin revealed/ 1st Trumpet
  • man of sin destroys Mystery Babylon's 'city' / 2nd Trumpet 'burning mountain' Jeremiah 51:25
  • man of sin destroys Mystery Babylon's 'sanctuary'/ 6thTrumpet
  • man of sin makes the covenant (start 2 witnesses)
  • man of sin breaks the covenant in the middle of the 7 years
  • Kingdom of heaven simultaneous with kingdom of antichrist's living image worship
  • 7 bowls of wrath defeats kingdom of the beast & false prophet
 
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Isn't it obvious that the 'trumpet call' is the gathering at the 7th Seal and the 'last trumpet' gathering up of the 2 witnesses before the 7th Trumpet?
No it isn't.
The faithful Christian people will gather in the holy land, soon after the Sixth Seal devastation has prepared the way. Proved by John seeing them there, praising the Lord for His protection and help to them. Revelation 7:9 The Lord will be revealed to His own, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1
I know you hate this, as you are fixated on going to heaven, which is just not stated anywhere in the Bible and won't ever happen. Eventually God and therefore heaven comes to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 30:25-30 & 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18
The Lord’s people, Christian Israelites will be gathered and settled into their heritage, all of the holy Land, in the new nation of Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be.

Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
The Hebrew word for ‘watchmen’, is ‘natzar’, the root word for Nazarene; literally all Christian believers. WE must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense.

The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of God’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.
The Lord’s faithful Christian people: living in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34

Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Then you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God. We will know the Lord is present by His deeds. Just as it was at the Exodus. Must be before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
 
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