Rewards in Heaven/levels of Hell?

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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?
 

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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?
Fine theologians vary on the first question.
As far as different levels of hell, I think Scripture hints at that with a 'yes'.
Mark 6:11 (KJV) And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
 
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We don't see how God is going to judge.

Why would we think we didn't need to live Holy Spirit-filled and help our brother be fruitful in his living also? Our brother's crown = our crown. It is in this light that our own motivation should be seen.

God often says what He is saying by not saying what He is not saying.
 
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Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?

All sin is sin. If there are any levels, then all unbelievers would go through all the levels. No sinner is worse off or better than any other.
 
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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?

With reference to rewards, yes the Bible states at the judgement seat of Christ, we will be rewarded based on our faithful service to the Lord here. Luke 19:11-27 2 Corinthians 5:10

Our love for the Lord should be our motive, not reward.

Our attitude should be Luke 17:10

I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?

Even non-believers recognise that some crimes are greater than others and deserve a greater punishment. A lie isn't as bad as murder - it would be unjust in the court of law today for the two to be given the same sentence.

Now if we look at Israel in the Old Testament, there were different punishments for different transgressions, the worst being stoning. So even in God's government of Israel there were various punishments that fit the crime.

At the great white throne when unsaved men and women come before God. God will judge them according to their deeds. This would be a pointless exercise if everyone is going to be punished the same. Revelation 20:12

Matthew 11:20-24 also shows that in the judgement to come, privilege and responsibility will also be taken into account.
 
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Thanks to everyone who replied. About different rewards-I assume there is no unhappiness/envy in heaven so what is the point of people getting "more" rewards than others? Will they be happier than those who get fewer rewards? To me, happier implies someone else is less happy.
 
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Thanks to everyone who replied. About different rewards-I assume there is no unhappiness/envy in heaven so what is the point of people getting "more" rewards than others? Will they be happier than those who get fewer rewards? To me, happier implies someone else is less happy.

I believe we will rest in the knowledge that the Lord is fair, rewards will be given to those who have earned it.

When we do go to Heaven, we will be in bodies of glory. We will not be in our fallen sinful bodies and therefore we will not be given to sins such as envy.

The Lord doesn't need to reward us, however, God is no man's debtor and graciously rewards those who have done Him service. Some have sacrificed a lot in their lives for the work for the Lord, some have been martyred for their faithfulness to Him. God wishes to acknowledge this and reward His servants according to their faithfulness to Him.

It may not be a case of "more happiness," but rather more honoured.
 
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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?
I agree with both of those positions. I don't know about full-on "levels," but there won't be equality of reward or punishment.
 
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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?

There is a common idea that there are different rewards in heaven, perhaps in part because Scripture does scribe seeking our treasure in heaven, and of different crowns, such as the crown of life (James 1:12) or the uncorruptible crown of 1 Corinthians 9:25.

But I think this idea of differing rewards, or like that there is better or lesser afterlife swag based upon our performance completely and utterly misses the point.

Now the thing about crowns here is that what it often refers to is the victory wreath or garland, the prize awarded to victors in an athletic competition or in the military. The crown symbolizes victory, of having overcome the contest, ran the race, fought the fight, won the battle etc. And so this is the language the New Testament uses to describe our victory. The New Testament on a number of occasions borrows the athletic and military customs of the Greco-Roman world in which it was written to show an analogy of the Christian life.

We are running the race like a marathon runner, our eyes to be set facing forward, toward Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith. We are called to endure to the end. To struggle and to persevere to the very end. So that, in the end, when we stand before the Lord, we hear those words, "Well done good and faithful servant, come and enter into your Master's rest", and we are given the crown of victory--we have run the race, we have fought the good fight, and now laurels of victory rested upon our head, we rest in presence of the Lord.

But let's consider another place in Scripture, the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. Jesus tells us about the master of a vineyard who early in the day hires some laborers for a set price to work the vineyard, and then as the day goes on, hires more laborers. Until it is near the end of the day, and the master of the vineyard hires more laborers who work only one hour. Then the master gives the laborers the promised amount, which was the same for all. Then the laborers who began early complained, for they were paid the same as those who only worked the last hour, then the master of the vineyard says,

"Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?" - Matthew 20:13-15

I am personally of the position that heaven isn't about rewards at all. It's not about mansions, or crowns, or treasures. In fact, ideas like that completely miss the point of everything we're taught.

The treasures we are to seek are not swag, either in this life or the next, but rather to re-priortize what actually matters. Namely this: that it is our neighbor who matters, to love them, to serve them, to learn humility, to suffer with patient endurance, and to learn how to forsake our lives for the cross of Jesus Christ. Great is our reward in heaven, not because there's great big swag to be had if we were super special Christians; but because in Christ we are being taught to change the very way in which we think about what matters, about what is important.

What is treasure anyway? Is it stuff? Is swag? No. If we are paying attention to Jesus then our treasure is the kingdom of God, where the least is greatest, the last is first, where the greatest among us is the slave.

What matters is people, what matters is love, what matters is kindness, what matters is compassion and empathy and mercy. What matters is justice for the vulnerable and the rejected and the outcast. What matters is the caring of widows and orphans. What matters is what matters to God, and for what reason the Lord came.

More than that, I think there's a danger to be had in thinking like this. Read with seriousness what the Lord says in Matthew ch. 7, those who say to Him, "Lord Lord!" The ones who think they deserve a place in glory, because their hearts are set on glory, they pursued glory their entire lives, but then they hear, "I never knew you."

I'm not saying you're friend is damned, just to be clear. Rather, my point is that when we see the Christian life as the pursuit and possession of glory, rather than the pursuit and possession of the cross, we have severely gotten everything wrong.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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heard a little bit of a sermon where the minister believed that hell will continuously get more unpleasant for the unjust/sinner/rejecter of Christ. This stemmed from a brief study the on the words, 'Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth'.

If there are any theologians online with a good bible interlinear, they may be able to verify that.
 
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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?

One can see Scripture showing the "judgment seat of Christ", which is in Heaven and for the "born again" saints (as John 3) who will come before the Lord Jesus, and how they will receive different kinds and degrees of rewards ('some gold, some silver, some precious stones' ); and some will "suffer loss" in degree for self-indulgence on earth ---see Matt. 6; Matt. 16; Luke 6:27; Rom. 14:10; 2 Cor. 5:10; 1 Pet. 3:17; etc.

As to Hell, one needs to see the distinction between Hades and Hell fire. Hades is the present holding place for all who die without Jesus Christ as their Redeener, and later after Satan and his angels are cast into the Lake of fire, all those in Hades will be also cast into the 'everlasting burning'. One can inquire about this distinction at the sound site: biblecounsel.net on the Internet which will send a reply to honest seekers.
 
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I believe we will rest in the knowledge that the Lord is fair, rewards will be given to those who have earned it.

When we do go to Heaven, we will be in bodies of glory. We will not be in our fallen sinful bodies and therefore we will not be given to sins such as envy.

The Lord doesn't need to reward us, however, God is no man's debtor and graciously rewards those who have done Him service. Some have sacrificed a lot in their lives for the work for the Lord, some have been martyred for their faithfulness to Him. God wishes to acknowledge this and reward His servants according to their faithfulness to Him.

It may not be a case of "more happiness," but rather more honoured.

Good summary, friend! -1watchman
 
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All sin is sin. If there are any levels, then all unbelievers would go through all the levels. No sinner is worse off or better than any other.
The Early Church disagreed with your position, as does the current Catholic and Orthodox Churches. The Early Church had strict penalties for certain sins. For example, if one killed a man during a fight, you could spend ten years kneeling down in church and abstaining from the Eucharist.
 
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The Early Church disagreed with your position, as does the current Catholic and Orthodox Churches. The Early Church had strict penalties for certain sins. For example, if one killed a man during a fight, you could spend ten years kneeling down in church and abstaining from the Eucharist.

Christ's atoning sacrifice of the cross did away with all of our sins when we become true believers in him, dying to the world and all its sin. Did the 'early Church' you mention consider accidental sin in Leviticus 4+5?...it seems they didn't so some form of human penalty had to be paid......'its sad mans intelligence introduced these laws'
 
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what is the point of people getting "more" rewards than others? Will they be happier than those who get fewer rewards? To me, happier implies someone else is less happy.

Sounds insane doesn’t it ?
 
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"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." (Matt 16:27).

'According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay,,..." Isa 59:18.

Perhaps our rewards are the responsibilities we'll have in heaven. Seems common to have assignments. 'And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." Gen 2:17 Angels have assigned tasks such as bringing the elect together, comforting, and directing (Mark 13:27, Matthew 4:11, Mark 1:13, Genesis 21:14-19) The four and twenty elders -"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." (Rev 8:10) Of course, God could cause the harps to play without any assistance. These four and twenty elders also worship the Lord (Rev 4:11). As does the "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." Rev 4

Also, the tabernacle under Moses' administration was built according "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount." Heb 8:10 "...God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." II THESS 2:4.

Additionally, heard we'll continue to learn in heaven - still looking for Scripture on that one.. Though it seems reasonable since God knows everything but don't think we'll ever reach His level.

Also, there seems to be different levels of hell because of the fullness of sin 'Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death." James 1:15.
 
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I have a friend who is a theologian and we have been talking since I became a Christian last November. He believes that we will receive different rewards in heaven based on the good works we do on earth. He also thinks that it is fine for this (the idea of rewards) to be the motivation for performing good works. I am not a theologian and I haven't read the whole Bible since college-and that was a while ago-but that feels off to me, at least the motivation part. What do you think?
Also, last week on this site I came across a post that said something about different levels of Hell, as if it were common knowledge that there are different levels. Are there different levels of Hell? Like is Hitler going to be worse off than the guy who occasionally lied a little?

Matthew 5:19 says "Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
There are different levels in Heaven and hell. We are punished according to our sins.
A serial killer will not be punished the same way as someone who lied for example.
There are seven levels of hell (first being the least) and seven levels of heaven( first being the least beautiful).
first hell is for the wrathful(their tongues are fastened by hooks. the demons bind their hands and feet. they(wrathful ones) lie down and the demons step on their throats and beat them up.
last hell is for idolaters. they receive the punishments of all levels and more.
First heaven is for those who did good things to receive mercy/favour from God and the seventh heaven is for "Friends of God"(those that have a deep relationship with God).
And YES Hitler is burning in hell over and over!
 
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Matthew 5:19 says "Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
There are different levels in Heaven and hell. We are punished according to our sins.
A serial killer will not be punished the same way as someone who lied for example.
There are seven levels of hell (first being the least) and seven levels of heaven( first being the least beautiful).
first hell is for the wrathful(their tongues are fastened by hooks. the demons bind their hands and feet. they(wrathful ones) lie down and the demons step on their throats and beat them up.
last hell is for idolaters. they receive the punishments of all levels and more.
First heaven is for those who did good things to receive mercy/favour from God and the seventh heaven is for "Friends of God"(those that have a deep relationship with God).
And YES Hitler is burning in hell over and over!
I.e.

Thanks for this. Very helpful. Where are.the s rupture references so I can look this up? I'd like to read them
 
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