30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

The pope supports the United Bible Society (Which creates Modern Translations).

Pope Francis supports United Bible Societies & Catholic Biblical Federation on 'Bible and Family' plans - United Bible Societies

solid_core · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
If there is no final Word of authority, then we can do our own thing or re-write God's Word to our liking

For example to create the KJV which does not correspond to any Greek manuscript? ;-)

solid_core · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
The pope supports the United Bible Society (Which creates Modern Translations).

Pope Francis supports United Bible Societies & Catholic Biblical Federation on 'Bible and Family' plans - United Bible Societies

Maybe it will surprise you, but catholics also believe the Bible is important so they also want it to be as closest to original as possible.

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

From the United Bible Societies Website.

"In the 21st Century, being a global fellowship enables us to respond with one voice to other global organisations including United Nations and the Roman Catholic church."

Oh..... respond with one voice.
Sounds like Ecumenism to me.

Our Story - United Bible Societies

solid_core · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
From the United Bible Societies Website.

"In the 21st Century, being a global fellowship enables us to respond with one voice to other global organisations including United Nations and the Roman Catholic church."

Oh..... respond with one voice.
Sounds like Ecumenism to me.

Our Story - United Bible Societies

So? The more people will work on it, the better. The more resources they will have for the task, the better.

Or, do you feel frightened that its better than the work from some dark, isolated medieval island that was without any check by other countries and experts?

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

It's not a coincidence that in approx. 1970 that both the New Age movement started to hit this country, and Modern Translations went mainstream in the churches. Today, we are seeing a spiritual erosion even more from men abandoning God's true pure Word.

Again, I am not saying that a person is not saved if they do not believe the King James is their final Word of authority. I believe a person can be saved by a Modern Translation. But when it comes to perfecting their faith and walk with God, I believe it can cause problems and even a loss of their own faith even in certain cases. I also believe men are more prone to fall away if they do not believe the KJV is the pure Word of God. Not that they will fall away as a fact or anything. As I said before, I have close Christian friends who are not KJV like me. But I am confident of their faith in God's Word. I just know that with a pure Word, your foundation of your faith is more secure. If there are holes in one's Word or faith, then one can fall through that hole.

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

solid_core said:
So? The more people will work on it, the better. The more resources they will have for the task, the better.

Or, do you feel frightened that its better than the work from some dark, isolated medieval island that was without any check by other countries and experts?

Your not getting it. Everything is spiritual when it comes to dealing with God's Word.

Sam81 · May 8, 2020

The Bible is the written word of God. Jesus is the Living Word of God, the Word of Life, in that He fulfills to perfection the law of God. The Bible is not just a book. It is the written revelation of God. It is perfect in it's teachings, just as Christ, the living revelation of God, is perfect in His works.

The King James bible is perfect in its teachings. So is the ESV, the NKJV, the NASB, the CSB, and every other serious translation done by Christians, based upon the holy manuscripts.

You can only arrive at KJV onlyism by a type of human reason. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate KJV onlyism is the correct way. The Bible says all scripture is given by inspiration of God. It's the people who wrote the Bible that were full of the Holy Ghost. Not the people who translated. The manuscripts are the standard. The manuscripts are the touchstone.

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

Sam81 said:
The Bible is the written word of God. Jesus is the Living Word of God, the Word of Life, in that He fulfills to perfection the law of God. The Bible is not just a book. It is the written revelation of God. It is perfect in it's teachings, just as Christ, the living revelation of God, is perfect in His works.

Actually two of my points (one still under development in the writing process) in defense for the King James Bible as the pure Word of God for today relates to this point you brought up here.

I already brought up in the beginning of this thread the point on the symbiotic relationship between the “Living Word” (Jesus) and the “Communicated Word” (Which today would be the Bible).

This point was to show that if there is a perfect Living Word (Jesus), then by logical default, there needs to also be a perfect Communicated Word. The perfect Word (Jesus) lives on the inside of us today and not in the past. The same should be true for the communicated Word.

Here is what I wrote in that thread on the symbiotic relationship between the Living Word and the Communicated Word.

The Symbiotic Relationship Between
The Living Word, & the Communicated Word:

Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42).
Christ is the truth (John 14:6), and the word is the truth (John 17:17).
Christ is called Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11), and the word is called faithful and true (Revelation 22:6).
Christ is pure (1 John 3:3), and the word is pure (Proverbs 30:5).
Christ is incorruptible (Acts of the Apostles 2:27), and the word is incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23).
Christ abides forever (John 12:34), and the word abides forever (1 Peter 1:23).
Christ’s name: “Jesus” is above all names (Which would include God’s name) (Philippians 2:9-10), and the word is above God’s name (Psalms 138:2).
Christ has flaming eyes of fire (Revelation 19:12), and the Word is like a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).
Christ can burn things like a fire (Matthew 3:12), and the word can burn things like a fire (Luke 24:32).
Christ can be eaten (John 6:57), and the word can be eaten (Jeremiah 15:16).
Christ is like the discovery of treasure (Matthew 13:44-46, cf. 2 Corinthians 4:7-10), and the word is like the discovery of treasure (Psalms 119:162).
Christ is the light (John 8:12), and the word is light (Psalms 119:105).
Christ is life (John 14:6, 1 John 5:12), and the word is life (John 6:63).
Christ is the living bread (John 6:51), and the word is the living bread (Matthew 4:4).
Christ is eternal life (Romans 6:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, 1 John 5:20) and the word is eternal life (John 6:68) (cf. Matthew 24:35, John 6:63).
Christ quickens (makes alive) (John 5:21), and the word quickens (makes alive) (Psalms 119:50).
It is by Christ which makes the gospel possible (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and it is by the word which makes the gospel possible (1 Peter 1:25).
Christ is near to men (Acts of the Apostles 17:27) (Revelation 3:20) (Psalms 145:18), and the word is near to men (Romans 10:8).
Christ discerns the heart (Matthew 9:4, Luke 9:47), and the word discerns the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
Christ can get men through a storm (Mark 4:35-41), and the word can get men through a storm (Matthew 7:24-25).
Christ sanctifies (John 17:19), and the word sanctifies (John 17:17).
A person can stumble over Christ (Romans 9:33, 1 Peter 2:5-8), and a person can stumble over the word (1 Peter 2:8).
Christ will judge men (John 5:22), and the word will judge men (John 12:48).
Christ’s bones were never broken (John 19:36 cf. Psalms 34:20), and the word is never broken (John 10:35).
Believers are told to seek after Christ (Matthew 28:5, Mark 16:6), and believers are told to seek after the word (Isaiah 34:16).
Christ is our hope (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Colossians 1:27, 1 Timothy 1:1), and the word is our hope (Psalms 130:5).
Believers are to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), and believers are to meditate (use their mind) upon the word (Psalms 119:148, 1 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
Christ is to be heard and obeyed (Matthew 7:24), and the word is to be heard and obeyed (James 1:22).
The love of God is within Christ (Romans 8:39), and keeping the word places the love of God within us (1 John 2:5) (Also see John 14:23).
Christ is the way to the living waters, which is the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39), and the washing of the water of the word (Ephesians 5:25-27) (which is obedience to God) is the way to having the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).
Christ is like the foundation that is a part of a house (1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11), and He is like a rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), and the obeying the word is like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24).
Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).
Christ breathed the Spirit upon his faithful chosen (John 20:22), and the word is “inspired by God” (i.e. God breathed) for the benefit of his faithful chosen (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Christ is the way to having the fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11), and the word is the way to being instructed in righteousness so to be perfect unto all good works (fruits) (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Christ can abide in us (John 15:4-7) (Ephesians 3:17) (Philippians 4:13), and the word can abide in us (John 15:7, Psalms 119:11).
Christ dwells in our hearts (Ephesians 3:17), and the word dwells in our hearts (Colossians 3:16).
Believers can be hidden in Christ (Colossians 3:3), and the word can be hidden in believers (Psalms 119:11).
Christ is always with us (Matthew 28:20), and the word is always with us (Psalms 119:98).
Christ can make our joy full (John 15:11), and the word can make our joy full (1 John 1:4).
Believers’ hearts rejoice with Christ (John 16:22), and believers’ hearts rejoice with the word (Jeremiah 15:16).

If your interested, I wrote a little more on this topic within this thread here:

The Living Word & the Communicated Word.

Hieronymus · May 8, 2020

ESV is better than KJV because there's more and earlier source material to work with and many more scholars with more knowledge to work with it.
That doesn't make the KJV a 'bad' Bible though.

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

Sam81 said:
The King James bible is perfect in its teachings. So is the ESV, the NKJV, the NASB, the CSB, and every other serious translation done by Christians, based upon the holy manuscripts.

This is not so, my friend. In post #23, I listed some doctrinal changes.
I only listed 8, and I am seeking to gather more in time. I am not talking about the watering down of certain doctrines but the actual elimination of doctrines. Please go back and check out my previous post to you to learn about these doctrines that were changed.

You said:
You can only arrive at KJV onlyism by a type of human reason. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate KJV onlyism is the correct way. The Bible says all scripture is given by inspiration of God. It's the people who wrote the Bible that were full of the Holy Ghost. Not the people who translated. The manuscripts are the standard. The manuscripts are the touchstone.

Not sure what you said here. But if you were to go back and carefully read through all 14 of my points I have made, maybe there is something I mention that you have not heard before.

Anyways, peace, and blessings be unto you in the Lord.

solid_core · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Your not getting it. Everything is spiritual when it comes to dealing with God's Word.

And how is medieval English clergy superior to ecumenical effort to reconstruct the original NT text which is important to all Christianity, not just Anglicans?

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

Hieronymus said:
ESV is better than KJV because there's more and earlier source material to work with and many more scholars with more knowledge to work with it.
That doesn't make the KJV a 'bad' Bible though.

Not true. There are tons of problems with the ESV. I did a write up on it a long time ago and I no longer have access to it anymore.

But in post #23, I did list doctrinal changes made in the ESV.

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

solid_core said:
And how is medieval English clergy superior to ecumenical effort to reconstruct the original NT text which is important to all Christianity, not just Anglicans?

Catholics tried to take out King James with a superbomb (Which would have destroyed a good portion of the city) and it would have destroyed their efforts to provide a English Bible to the common man without any marginal notes, etc. The clergy at that time (While not all of them were perfect, most of them cared about what the Bible said. This means they did not openly accept all religions as one for fellowship). I am aware that the Puritans (Calvinists) and the Anglicans had to put aside their differences to form the King James Bible.

While I am strongly against both the modern version of Calvinism and Anglicanism, I believe God is able to use these imperfect men to create a perfect Bible. They were not creating a translation set out with their own bias, but it was being done by the authority of the king (Who would also check what they wrote). Eucemical efforts is basically a negation of the Bible itself. For example: A Christian cannot have spiritual fellowship with folks of the Buddha religion. For what fellowship does light have with darkness?

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2020

Anyways, I am going to hold off on the comments for now.
I need to get back to finishing my final point (point #15) in defense of the King James Bible as our final Word of authority today.

I also have a few other point I had already written that I want to expand upon, as well.

solid_core · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
While I am strongly against both the modern version of Calvinism and Anglicanism, I believe God is able to use these imperfect men to create a perfect Bible.

Why, then, are you against other Christians to create a "perfect" Bible?

Bible Highlighter said:
They were not creating a translation set out with their own bias

Because they lived on an isolated island and only Anglican clergy worked on it and only English king influenced it, its called "bias".

Bias is minimized by the ecumenical effort and world-wide check of facts. Therefore, Nestle Aland must be clearly superior to Erasmus/KJV in all ways. Their work is not done in some dark corner, but their progress is continously published.

Sam81 · May 8, 2020

He keeps talking about all these doctrinal changes that the other Bibles create. I don't think it changes any doctrine at all. But the real question is if the changes need to be made. And the fact is that the original manuscripts dictate that the changes are necessary. KJV onlyists wants us to just forget what the more accurate manuscripts say and keep the King James version.

robycop3 · May 8, 2020

Sam81 said:
And for the record this guy does believe KJV takes precedence over the original manuscripts. If I'm wrong let him correct me. But I would be willing to bet that he believes we should default to the KJV in the event of a discrepancy between that and the original manuscripts.

That stinx of Ruckmanism to me. And, IMO, the late Dr. Ruckman was a quack.

robycop3 · May 8, 2020

Bible Highlighter, with all due respect, I believe you're in thrall to the KJVO myth and whoever taught it to you. Sounds a lot like the late Dr. Ruckman.

You don't seem to be stupid, but right now, you believe a stupid false doctrine. Did you not see my posts in another thread showing where the current KJVO myth came from ?

Don't you realize who made the KJVO myth ? SATAN did ! He started it to cast aspersions upon perfevtly-valid English Bible translations, and to engender dissent & strife among & between congregations. He has succeeded in both aims !

The PROOF KJVO is NOT from God is easy - There's no Scriptural support for it, even in the KJV itself. Remember, ONLY GOD can create TRUE doctrines of faith/worship, and all such doctrines He created are found in His written word.

If YOU choose to use only the KJV, fine, but to try to spread the LIE that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation is simply SINFUL. You really should ask JESUS to forgive this sin & refrain from doing it any more, & to remove you from thralldom to that false KJVO myth !

Sam81 · May 8, 2020

Yep, Ruckman was in error. He has a disciple on YouTube called Robert Breaker who also teaches that only the KJV is the word of God along with easy believism.

Seems to me a lot of the KJV only people are Independent Baptist, and it seems a lot of them believe that repentance is not necessary to be saved.

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