Judge Not: False Doctrine

HARK! said:

..and a few verses later he says this:

(CLV) Jn 7:24
Be not judging by the countenance, but be judging just judging."

This is what we a re called to. How will we judge the messengers, if we don't have the discernment to judge right from wrong in our daily lives?

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Do you know how to judge justly. If you lived back in biblical days would you stone someone for breaking the law?

HARK! said:

So is it simply knowledge that sets us apart; or is there some sort of action that is a result of that knowledge?

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Knowledge leads to action.

HARK! said:

I've faced similar situations. The Apostles did too as did the Prophets, as did Yahshua. Most of them died over such situations. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to avoid such situations.

(CLV) Mt 10:13
and if, indeed, the house should be worthy, let your peace |come on it. Yet if it should not be worthy, let your peace be turned back on you.

(CLV) Mt 10:14
And whosoever should not be receiving~ you, nor yet be hearing your words, coming outside of that house or city or village, shake off the dust from your feet.

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Amen I agree

HARK! said:

(CLV) Mt 7:1
"Do not judge, lest you may be judged,

So many read that verse and stop short; to say that we should exercise judgement, concerning the wicked. That we should just turn a blind eye to wickedness and go off into a day dream singing, "la la la - la la." "I have no responsibility to see the world for what it is." "There is no wrong; there is no right in my eyes. It's all on the Father's hands"

The very next verse:

(CLV) Mt 7:2
for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you.

YHWH calls us to righteous judgement. This falls in line with what is mentioned just a few verses later:


(CLV) Mt 7:12
All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets.

Yahshua doesn't contradict himself.

(CLV) Jn 7:24
Be not judging by the countenance, but be judging just judging."

Again he tells us to judge justly.


(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

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God judges ... the word of God judges ... often when people pass along the words of the Lord (through scripture) ... and much of it "judges" ... they attribute "judgement" to the person passing along scripture rather than understanding it is actually coming from the Lord.

John 5:22
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,

Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged.

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

Romans 14:12 ESV / 31 helpful votes
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.


We are to point non-believers to Jesus. We are to encourage and admonish those within the faith when they are being led astray.

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

James 4:11
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Judging ... people of faith are suppose to know and understand the difference of being admonished by their brothers and sisters and the admonishment by them is supposed to be in a kind and loving manner.

People outside of the faith have difficulty and often cite "judgement" when in reality it is His teachings and scripture that is "judging" them ... not the person passing it along.

We pass along the knowledge of scripture and then the same is brought to minds and hearts and one either considers it ... dismisses it ... argues it ... mocks it ... or whatever ... but the point is .... they have been made aware of it through His word.

So no ... we are not to judge .... that's the Lord business.

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

What is right judgment? His Word.

HARK! said:

Indeed, if we believe.


(CLV) Ja 2:14
What is the benefit, my brethren, if anyone should be saying he has faith, yet may have no works? That faith can not save him.

(CLV) Ja 2:17
Thus, also, is faith, if it should not have works: it is dead by itself.

(CLV) Ja 2:18
But someone will be declaring, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from the works and I shall be showing you my faith by my works.

(CLV) Ja 2:21
Abraham, our father, was he not justified by works when offering up his son Isaac on the altar?

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.

(CLV) Ja 2:26
For even as the body apart from spirit is dead, thus also faith apart from works is dead.

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I would love to know God like I know my friends.

HARK! said:

Is it condemnation to wipe the dust from your feet?

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Yes, it is, but that condemnation is by default, not pronounced.

Jesus said,
"And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words,
when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for
the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment
than for that city!" Matthew 10:14-15 NKJV

HARK! said:

No.

I would stone someone in obedience to YHWH's law.

Surely you aren't saying that you know better than he?

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Aren't you glad that Yeshua didn't do that to you before you accepted Him into your heart?

HARK! said:

So many read that verse and stop short; to say that we should exercise judgement, concerning the wicked. That we should just turn a blind eye to wickedness and go off into a day dream singing, "la la la - la la." "I have no responsibility to see the world for what it is." "There is no wrong; there is no right in my eyes. It's all on the Father's hands"

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I have never heard this interpretation Matthew 7:1. Sounds unresponsible.

HARK! said:

(CLV) Mt 7:2
for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you.

YHWH calls us to righteous judgement. This falls in line with what is mentioned just a few verses later:

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Is he referring to the world of sinners, or how we treat the brethren?
Romans 2:1, 2. Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
1 Corinthians 11:31, 32.
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

HARK! said:

I love to know YHWH better than my best friends.

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I would love to know as I am known.
1 Co 13:12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

HARK! said:

Would you like me to present another example; or do you understand yet that I am correct in the point that I'm making?

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IMX, hypotheticals rarely match real life situations. Even under unusual circumstances, the Holy Spirit can give us a heads-up, but we cannot script the Holy Spirit. And if His direction isn't already clear, we can ask Him for wisdom [James 1:5].

Can a man resist temptation when he is in a motel room with a naked adulteress? His failure was actually a couple of steps prior to that.

HARK! said:

I think that I was too young to be stoned. I first remember loving Yahshua when I was 2. Mos5t people can't even remember when they were 2.

...but I understand what you are saying.

Do you look forward to Yahshua's reign; when he will rule by the Torah with an iron rod?

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I do look forward to Yeshua's rule, I also understand that He will have judgement tempered with mercy.