NOT A PLASTIC GOSPEL

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It doesn’t say a love FOR God is poured into us. You can throw in the whole Bible and you don’t find that anywhere. We must choose to love God and our neighbor. It won’t come into us bypassing our will. Of course if a man sees he lacks this and greatly desires it, he can ask God to give or grow love in his heart. This help is always possible. We don’t do this on own own but neither are we passive.

And of course the BIBLE doesn’t attribute evil to God! People writing here do. You wouldn’t believe what evil they lightly say God does.
Romans 5:5 KJV
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
...a ‘love of God’ would be a love for God. Those who have received the new birth know this experientially.
 
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Romans 5:5 KJV
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
...a ‘love of God’ would be a love for God. Those who have received the new birth know this experientially.

Good Day, Crossnote

We see this in the NC regeneration ( re-birth)...

EZE 36 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
 
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Good Day, Crossnote

We see this in the NC regeneration ( re-birth)...

EZE 36 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Definitely, which makes our so called ‘good works’, fruit of the Spirit.
 
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You really don't see what Jesus was saying when He said "it is finished". You are still tying to crucify the flesh with the flesh. Until you come to the end of yourself and know what Paul was saying when he said "O wretched man that I am" you will keep mixing your flesh with His finished work. You must first come to the revelation that there is nothing good in the flesh before you come to the revelation "I was crucified with Christ".

Romans 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

Trying to live the crucified life is futile apart from His sacrifice. "No longer I but Christ" does not operate apart from His grace. We must first KNOW that we've been crucified with Christ before we can RECKON ourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Unless a person KNOWS they will never be able to RECKON, and this comes only by revelation through His Spirit. What stands in the way of a Christian knowing? Foolish pride.

Romans 6:6, 6:11
KNOWING this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin…. 11 Likewise you also, RECKON yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me
 
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Romans 5:5 KJV
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
...a ‘love of God’ would be a love for God. Those who have received the new birth know this experientially.
No a love poured into our hearts is NOT a love for God at all. Sorry but this is totally false. It is the love God has. It is seen in a love for people. That is easier than loving God, whom we don’t see.

You can go on thinking Christians are just filled with love for God if you want. But you’ll need to close your eyes.
 
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It doesn't matter what I "feel" or what I think I "see" in real life, it's what the bible proclaims...
Your interpretation is off. But I just have to point out the irony. Here you insist it doesn’t matter what you see in real life and then next thing you do is tell us what you saw (experienced) in real life as though it matters!!
Acts 2:17
‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on ALL flesh;

Before I came to Jesus, He did convict me of sin, righteousness, and judgement. Just like Jesus said it would happen. I was part of this world and HIS Spirit brought me to repentance (Metanoia). Even repentance is by Him.
One person is not all flesh.
Sorry to disappoint you Dorothy but you get no glory, and that is why you are offended by His grace... His grace gives you no glory.
Falsely accusing your brethren of evil is not a fruit of the Spirit.
Repentance is by His Spirit, just like salvation through the Gospel is also by His Spirit.

Repentance is by His Spirit not your self righteousness Dorothy...
I don’t suffer from self-righteousness. But are you not jealous?
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Repentance is a requirement before salvation, but the word "met·a·noi·a" in the Greek is often misrepresented. I believe "turn their hearts" or "change of mind" is a good explanation of the work of the Holy Spirit through the Gospel message that brings salvation (Jesus Christ).

It is by no accident that John's ministry of repentance came 6 months prior to the ministry of Jesus Christ (salvation). "Repentance" is always represented before salvation, and this is verified throughout scripture.

And concerning John the baptists' ministry of repentance….

Luke 1:15-16
He will also be FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And he will TURN many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to TURN THE HEARTS of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

We must know that repentance is NOT A WORK. Repentance is a response to the WORKING of the Holy Spirit through the Gospel message (the power of God). The bible clearly reveals in John 16:8,9 that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin unto faith in Christ.

John 16:8,9
And when He has come, He will CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 OF SIN, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME.

If repentance was a work of the individual than it would be a direct contradiction to scripture… “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast. ”.

Some of the simplest definitions of “repentance” are often overlooked. Definitions that describe a turning through conviction from an opposing way, towards God....

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:17-18
I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to TURN THEM from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

And here is an example of Paul preaching the Gospel, turning many people to faith in Christ.

Acts 17:2-4
Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

This repentance (turning the hearts) towards God is a work of the Holy Spirit. The Grace of God is not separate from the preaching of the Cross. And this Gospel (good news) that we preach is the power unto salvation. A Grace that is sufficient from the beginning is sufficient everyday, and shall be till the very end!!
Been there done that decades ago and have since moved on from these elementary things into maturity in Christ.
 
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Been there done that decades ago and have since moved on from these elementary things into maturity in Christ.

Than why are you not preaching and defending the Gospel? Do you believe you can lose your salvation? Is that why the Gospel offends you so much?
 
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Than why are you not perching and defending the Gospel? Do you believe you can lose your salvation? Is that why the Gospel offends you so much?
Will you please STOP thinking everyone who disagrees with your thinking is offended by the gospel??? Accusing the brethren falsely is not a team you want to be on. Best leave that side.
 
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Will you please STOP thinking everyone who disagrees with your thinking is offended by the gospel??? Accusing the brethren falsely is not a team you want to be on. Best leave that side.

I'm trying to get to the crux of your offense, and I think just have. Answer the question. Do you believe you can lose your salvation?
 
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I'm trying to get to the crux of your offense, and I think just have.
. I’m not in the least offended. Youll never get to the crux of a feeling I couldn’t be farther from having. If you don’t want the truth, not even God can help you.
Answer the question. Do you believe you can lose your salvation?
Theoretically I could have lost my relationship with the Father and once came close.

You probably won’t believe this either, but I love Him for who He is. I left loving my spirit won’t be in hell long ago and moved, as I said, into the mature matters of Christ. Salvation is an elementary matter. Obedience is a mature matter few want to embrace.

But don’t kid yourself, I’m not afraid of losing that after 45 years of obedience. I’m not afraid of losing my marriage, or my relationship with my children either.
 
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Dorothy...

I'm going to leave you with this. His love is in no way ever based on our performance, but His mercy and grace. The blood of Christ is first for God. He is satisfied with the blood of His dear Son, and when He sees the blood He will Passover. Until we see the value the Father puts on the blood we will never see the value it has for us. We were washed from our sins in His blood, no more, no less. If we can lose our salvation (in any way) than we will never see how his Grace is sufficient in our everyday victory of sin.
 
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Dorothy...

I'm going to leave you with this. His love is in no way ever based on our performance, but His mercy and grace.
Never said it was although Jesus said those who keep his teachings the Father will love. Not my words but his.
The blood of Christ is first for God. He is satisfied with the blood of His dear Son, and when He sees the blood He will Passover. Until we see the value the Father puts on the blood we will never see the value it has for us.
I doubt this. No scripture says this. It says something rather cruel about God and cannot find God is satisfied in the Bible. Jesus is satisfied at his own sacrifice. I would advise dropping this theology.
We were washed from our sins in His blood, no more, no less. If we can loose our salvation (in any way) than we will never see how his Grace is sufficient in our everyday victory of sin.
This focuses solely on what you get. No love for God Himself, just what you get. Sad. Jesus dies and all his followers think of us what they got.
 
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Dorothy...

I'm going to leave you with this. His love is in no way ever based on our performance, but His mercy and grace. The blood of Christ is first for God. He is satisfied with the blood of His dear Son, and when He sees the blood He will Passover. Until we see the value the Father puts on the blood we will never see the value it has for us. We were washed from our sins in His blood, no more, no less. If we can lose our salvation (in any way) than we will never see how his Grace is sufficient in our everyday victory of sin.

Good Day, Skidder

Eternally redeemed, by Christ in the role of high priest, and sacrifice.

Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

In Him,

Bill
 
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No a love poured into our hearts is NOT a love for God at all. Sorry but this is totally false. It is the love God has. It is seen in a love for people. That is easier than loving God, whom we don’t see.

You can go on thinking Christians are just filled with love for God if you want. But you’ll need to close your eyes.
If you read the verse carefully, it's not just any love poured in our hearts but 'God's love'...
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. (Rom 5:5)
 
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If you read the verse carefully, it's not just any love poured in our hearts but 'God's love'...
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. (Rom 5:5)
No one says it’s just any love. One insists it’s not the love of God but love FOR God which is pretty egoistic. What I experienced at the baptism of the Holy Spirit was a love for people who I think are harder to love.
 
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No one says it’s just any love.

I was just specifying your general 'a love' to 'love of God'. I never said 'love for God'.
God is love and is the source of ALL love, whether it is God's love for us, our love for God or for one another.

No a love poured into our hearts is NOT a love for God at all.
 
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I was just specifying your general 'a love' to 'love of God'. I never said 'love for God'.
God is love and is the source of ALL love, whether it is God's love for us, our love for God or for one another.
I think you would have needed to read the posts before to follow but it’s ok.
 
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I hope you guys find this encouraging. Something I wrote a few months ago...


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STRONGER THAN MY THREAD

Does He love me because I’m faithful? Does He love me because I'm able? Does He love me because I deserve it? Oh, wretched man that I am! When the strength of our love has failed and we forget, turn away, fall down, and our hearts become void of all emotion, what is there? When our feelings have vacated into darkness and the skies turn gray, what is there? Shipwrecked and stranded on a barren island of sorrow, what is there? Are my feelings more powerful than the promises of His word?

Feelings are like a ship tossed on the high seas, back and forth they reveal their instability. Shall we act upon something so unstable? When the tempest ignites and the darkness closes in may we never put our trust in how we feel, but instead let us reckon something more SOLID!

Solid, pure, and forever is the ROCK of our salvation! Such a love the world has never known! A love that melts my foolish pride into rubble! Is this a love according to my circumstances? Is this a love according to my condition? Absolutely not! For that would make it a love according to MEASURE, and what our God has done for us is IMMEASURABLE!!

I’m only hanging on by His Gospel, sometimes only by a thread, and so often through a dark glass; but even just a glimpse of the light of His love I scarce can take it in! OH, but the power of His light!! How could so much LOVE be LAVISHED on those who could never earn it?? I DON'T KNOW, but when I turn my heart to that lonely hill I see a fountain of MERCY and GRACE! A LOVE that HOLDS ME far greater than my feeble thread!! So I continue to find my rest next to that old tree where my Savior bled and died!! OH what a BLESSED ASSURANCE in the ARMS OF MY SAVIOR!!

Isaiah 40:11
He tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart;

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Grace and Peace...
 
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I hope you guys find this encouraging. Something I wrote a few months ago...


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STRONGER THAN MY THREAD

Does He love me because I’m faithful? Does He love me because I'm able? Does He love me because I deserve it? Oh, wretched man that I am! When the strength of our love has failed and we forget, turn away, fall down, and our hearts become void of all emotion, what is there? When our feelings have vacated into darkness and the skies turn gray, what is there? Shipwrecked and stranded on a barren island of sorrow, what is there? Are my feelings more powerful than the promises of His word?

Feelings are like a ship tossed on the high seas, back and forth they reveal their instability. Shall we act upon something so unstable? When the tempest ignites and the darkness closes in may we never put our trust in how we feel, but instead let us reckon something more SOLID!

Solid, pure, and forever is the ROCK of our salvation! Such a love the world has never known! A love that melts my foolish pride into rubble! Is this a love according to my circumstances? Is this a love according to my condition? Absolutely not! For that would make it a love according to MEASURE, and what our God has done for us is IMMEASURABLE!!

I’m only hanging on by His Gospel, sometimes only by a thread, and so often through a dark glass; but even just a glimpse of the light of His love I scarce can take it in! OH, but the power of His light!! How could so much LOVE be LAVISHED on those who could never earn it?? I DON'T KNOW, but when I turn my heart to that lonely hill I see a fountain of MERCY and GRACE! A LOVE that HOLDS ME far greater than my feeble thread!! So I continue to find my rest next to that old tree where my Savior bled and died!! OH what a BLESSED ASSURANCE in the ARMS OF MY SAVIOR!!

Isaiah 40:11
He tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart;

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Grace and Peace...


Good Day, Skidder

I bet you will like this by DA Carson Psalm of the sheep.


IN Him,

Bill
 
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