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True followers keep the commandments:

(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And just WHO are the true followers? Those who have been saved and are being saved by God's grace are Christians.

“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life.”
Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42

Christians are new creatures which is a work of God, not man.

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How did we come to Christ?

Matthew 11
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Luke 10
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Mercy can't be earned.
 
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And just WHO are the true followers? Those who have been saved and are being saved by God's grace are Christians.

“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life.”
Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42

Christians are new creatures which is a work of God, not man.


How did we come to Christ?

Matthew 11
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Luke 10
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Mercy can't be earned.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

(Old Testament | Exodus 20:6)

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19 - 20)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
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You can't answer a simple question.
You said: "Mercy can't be earned" Reference needed.

You said: "How did we come to Christ?"


(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 32)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Can ye be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


Note verse 26 changed to JST.
 
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Lamentations 3
22 It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.


I answered "How did we come to Christ?" for you:

How did we come to Christ?

Matthew 11
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Luke 10
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Mercy can't be earned.

It isn't man's doing.
 
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Lamentations 3
22 It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.


I answered "How did we come to Christ?" for you:

How did we come to Christ?

Matthew 11
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Luke 10
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Mercy can't be earned.

It isn't man's doing.
These will have mercy.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:7)

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

(New Testament | Matthew 23:23)

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
 
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Just to clarify. Do you understand that your good works cannot get you into heaven? If your righteousness can reconcile you to God, he sent his Son for nothing. He wouldve just said, everyone be good down there. No Gentiles were commanded to follow Jewish Law. Your best works cannot save you. Its Jesus dying for your sins and rising that saves you. Its HIS righteousness, not ours because no one is righteous,,,,for ALL have sinned. Works FOLLOW your faith. If someone has truly turned and repented, their works follow them. Its not what can do for God....rather its what HE did for YOU! Salvation is by grace, a gift, unearned. The book of Romans is all about grace and how God will count the man righteous simply because he put his faith in Jesus and not his own works. Dont look at the New Testament as another 3,000 commands in addition to the Jewish law. If you do that, you are missing the message of the gospel. Gospel means GOOD NEWS. You enter into his rest and you stop striving. Salvation is a GIFT, you cannot earn it. The blood of Jesus washed your sins away and NOW you can approach God. You will not be saved by trusting in yourself. Your faith has to be in the work of Jesus, the Savior of the world. Please read these...


For by grace you have been saved through FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God; and NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN BOAST. Ephesians 2.8-9

Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and NOT by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law NO flesh will be justified. Galatians 2.16

For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Romans 3.9-10

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 BEING JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believe in Jesus.
27 WHERE IS BOASTING THEN? It is excluded. By what law? OF WORKS? NO, BUT BY THE LAW OF FAITH.
28 Therefore we conclude that A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Romans 3.20-28


To him that WORKS NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness WITHOUT WORKS. Romans 4.5-6


9 There remains, therefore, a REST to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4.9
 
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You are the bomb! Soooo powerful to understand salvation is by grace and not by works! God showed you that. Most people are relying on themselves and how good they can be to get them into heaven. As if Jesus shedding his blood wasnt enough... God help them. They think they will add something by the works of their flesh.

Sad because they will forever wonder if they did enough to be made acceptable. Love Jesus final words....IT IS FINISHED. God bless you beloved of the Lord.
 
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Just to clarify. Do you understand that your good works cannot get you into heaven? If your righteousness can reconcile you to God, he sent his Son for nothing. He wouldve just said, everyone be good down there. No Gentiles were commanded to follow Jewish Law. Your best works cannot save you. Its Jesus dying for your sins and rising that saves you. Its HIS righteousness, not ours because no one is righteous,,,,for ALL have sinned. Works FOLLOW your faith. If someone has truly turned and repented, their works follow them. Its not what can do for God....rather its what HE did for YOU! Salvation is by grace, a gift, unearned. The book of Romans is all about grace and how God will count the man righteous simply because he put his faith in Jesus and not his own works. Dont look at the New Testament as another 3,000 commands in addition to the Jewish law. If you do that, you are missing the message of the gospel. Gospel means GOOD NEWS. You enter into his rest and you stop striving. Salvation is a GIFT, you cannot earn it. The blood of Jesus washed your sins away and NOW you can approach God. You will not be saved by trusting in yourself. Your faith has to be in the work of Jesus, the Savior of the world. Please read these...


For by grace you have been saved through FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God; and NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN BOAST. Ephesians 2.8-9

Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and NOT by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law NO flesh will be justified. Galatians 2.16

For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Romans 3.9-10

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 BEING JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believe in Jesus.
27 WHERE IS BOASTING THEN? It is excluded. By what law? OF WORKS? NO, BUT BY THE LAW OF FAITH.
28 Therefore we conclude that A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Romans 3.20-28


To him that WORKS NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness WITHOUT WORKS. Romans 4.5-6


9 There remains, therefore, a REST to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4.9
To clarify, without the atonement no one would be saved. That does not mean that everyone will be saved. Jesus made it clear that there are requirements to eternal life:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:16 - 19)

16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(New Testament | John 15:13 - 14)

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

As servants of God it is our duty to keep the commandments and do the works to glorify God:

(New Testament | Luke 17:7 - 10)

7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
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To clarify, without the atonement no one would be saved. That does not mean that everyone will be saved. Jesus made it clear that there are requirements to eternal life:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:16 - 19)

16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(New Testament | John 15:13 - 14)

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

As servants of God it is our duty to keep the commandments and do the works to glorify God:

(New Testament | Luke 17:7 - 10)

7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Seems as if you are stuck on the "milk" of the Gospels---as you are only quoting Christ's directives from His Gospels. And since no one had the Holy Spirit then to understand the "meat" of the Epistles, you are stuck with them in seeking after the milk.

Hebrews 5:12
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

Hebrews 5:13
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe

1 Corinthians 3:2
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;


We with the Holy Spirit have long gone past that "milk" and are concentrating on the "meat"
 
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Seems as if you are stuck on the "milk" of the Gospels---as you are only quoting Christ's directives from His Gospels. And since no one had the Holy Spirit then to understand the "meat" of the Epistles, you are stuck with them in seeking after the milk.

Hebrews 5:12
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

Hebrews 5:13
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe

1 Corinthians 3:2
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;


We with the Holy Spirit have long gone past that "milk" and are concentrating on the "meat"
Very interesting statement. Thank you.

Could you give me 2 scriptures that you think are part of the "milk" of the gospel?

And, give me 2 scriptures that you think are part of the "meat" of the gospel.

I await your response, you have piqued my interest.
 
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We are NOT justified by works before God!

"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God" (Romans 4:1-2)

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law"(Romans 3:28)


Without God we can do nothing to bring glory to His name.
I guarantee you that if you do not do the good works that God has before ordained for you to do, you will not be saved, no matter how much you think you will be save.

Being saved is only 1/2 of the process, the other 1/2 is doing what God has ordained you to do. Do it, and you will have eternal life. Do not do it, and you will not have eternal life.
 
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To clarify, without the atonement no one would be saved. That does not mean that everyone will be saved. Jesus made it clear that there are requirements to eternal life:

(New Testament | Matthew 19:16 - 19)

16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(New Testament | John 15:13 - 14)

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

As servants of God it is our duty to keep the commandments and do the works to glorify God:

(New Testament | Luke 17:7 - 10)

7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Again, you are missing the gospel and why Jesus came. If Jews could have been saved through the law, there was no need for God to send a Savior.
No one kept the Jewish law perfectly, which is why God sent one final sacrifice for sin,,,,the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Jew in Matthew 19 was BOASTING how he kept the law. Jesus said, you want to be perfect, follow me, but he couldnt due to his great possessions.
You cannot be saved trusting in your own goodness. You dismiss the work of Christ, and have placed your trust in yourself. God says only those whom have faith in Christ have eternal life. You cannot have faith in what Christ did when you continue to preach and glorify your own works. Christians preach the gospel for salvation. You are preaching your own good works. Did the apostles preach in Acts how good they are and for people to keep the law? No. They preached JESUS CHRIST, HIM CRUCIFIED and RAISED for salvation.
HeistheWay, thats not the gospel.
 
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HeistheWay,

Just to clarify. Do you understand that your good works cannot get you into heaven? If your righteousness can reconcile you to God, he sent his Son for nothing. He wouldve just said, everyone be good down there. No Gentiles were commanded to follow Jewish Law. Your best works cannot save you. Its Jesus dying for your sins and rising that saves you. Its HIS righteousness, not ours because no one is righteous,,,,for ALL have sinned. Works FOLLOW your faith. If someone has truly turned and repented, their works follow them. Its not what can do for God....rather its what HE did for YOU! Salvation is by grace, a gift, unearned. The book of Romans is all about grace and how God will count the man righteous simply because he put his faith in Jesus and not his own works. Dont look at the New Testament as another 3,000 commands in addition to the Jewish law. If you do that, you are missing the message of the gospel. Gospel means GOOD NEWS. You enter into his rest and you stop striving. Salvation is a GIFT, you cannot earn it. The blood of Jesus washed your sins away and NOW you can approach God. You will not be saved by trusting in yourself. Your faith has to be in the work of Jesus, the Savior of the world. Please read these...


For by grace you have been saved through FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God; and NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN BOAST. Ephesians 2.8-9

Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and NOT by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law NO flesh will be justified. Galatians 2.16

For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Romans 3.9-10

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 BEING JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believe in Jesus.
27 WHERE IS BOASTING THEN? It is excluded. By what law? OF WORKS? NO, BUT BY THE LAW OF FAITH.
28 Therefore we conclude that A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Romans 3.20-28


To him that WORKS NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness WITHOUT WORKS. Romans 4.5-6


9 There remains, therefore, a REST to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4.9

Anner,

The members of the Church of Jesus Christ do not believe that through out good works we will earn our way to heaven.

How do you answer Jesus when he says in John 3:16 that if you believe you will be saved? This seems to cut all cords with doing anything else a person has to do in order to have eternal life. Just believe and it will happen.

Then Jesus tells us in Matthew 6:14-15 that if you forgive men that trespass against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you, your heavenly Father will not forgive your trespasses against him.

How do we reconcile these 2 scriptures. Does Matthew 6 trump John 3? It seems that if heavenly Father does not forgive you your sins, you will not be in heaven with him and Jesus, no matter if you believe or not.
As the scripture says no unclean thing can enter into the kingdom of heaven, and you are unclean if heavenly Father does not forgive you.

OR does John 3 Trump Matthew 6? A person believes in Jesus, but does not forgive all men who trespassed against him. Does Heavenly Father go ahead and forgive the unrepentant man because of Jesus?

If so, then why say Matthew 6 at all if John 3 automatically trumps it away?

Does John 3:16 trump Mark 16:16?

If that is so, why the bible? Why did God give us this intricate bible if he could have wrapped it up in this simple phrase: If you believe, you are saved, and have eternal life.
 
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You said: "Without God we can do nothing to bring glory to His name."

That is right because without God's commandments of LOVE we can't DO His will. God gave us commandments in order to help us to learn to LOVE one another the way He LOVES us. He said:

(New Testament | Matthew 25:40)

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So what have you done for Christ? What do you continue to DO for your neighbor?

(New Testament | James 2:17 - 22)

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

If works could save you then Jesus would never have had to come and die on a cross. Abraham was righteous by faith. That’s how we become the children of Abraham and heirs to the promise.
 
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Very interesting statement. Thank you.

Could you give me 2 scriptures that you think are part of the "milk" of the gospel?

And, give me 2 scriptures that you think are part of the "meat" of the gospel.

I await your response, you have piqued my interest.

Hebrews 5:12
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

Hebrews 5:13
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe

1 Corinthians 3:2
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;

https://www.[bless and do not curse...n/what-is-the-milk-and-meat-of-the-bible.html

Question: What did the apostle Paul mean when he told the church at Corinth that he taught them the milk of the Bible and not the meat?
Answer: In two separate Bible books written by Paul, 1Corinthians and Hebrews, he contrasts "milk" and "meat" in order to make a spiritual analogy. When addressing the Corinthian church Paul wrote the following.

And, I, brethren, was not able to speak to you as to those who are spiritual, but as to those who are carnal - even as to babes in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, and not meat; for you were not yet able to receive spiritual meat; and neither are you able now, for you are still carnal. For since envy and contention and divisions are among you, are you not carnal? . . . (1Corinthians 3:1 - 3, HBFV throughout).

The HBFV is one of the only known modern translation that uses the original inspired canonical manuscript order to arrange the books. According to its translator, the HBFV reflects the true meaning of the original Hebrew and Greek text and shows the unity of Scripture between the Old and New Testaments.
https://www.[bless and do not curse...e]/basicart/bible-translation-comparison.html
 
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Therefore a Christian is Justified by both faith and works. By their fruits ye shall know them:

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HeistheWay,

Remember the words of Jesus Matthew 6....

1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
 
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Again, you are missing the gospel and why Jesus came. If Jews could have been saved through the law, there was no need for God to send a Savior.
No one kept the Jewish law perfectly, which is why God sent one final sacrifice for sin,,,,the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Jew in Matthew 19 was BOASTING how he kept the law. Jesus said, you want to be perfect, follow me, but he couldnt due to his great possessions.
You cannot be saved trusting in your own goodness. You dismiss the work of Christ, and have placed your trust in yourself. God says only those whom have faith in Christ have eternal life. You cannot have faith in what Christ did when you continue to preach and glorify your own works. Christians preach the gospel for salvation. You are preaching your own good works. Did the apostles preach in Acts how good they are and for people to keep the law? No. They preached JESUS CHRIST, HIM CRUCIFIED and RAISED for salvation.
HeistheWay, thats not the gospel.
Again, you are missing the gospel and why Jesus came. If Jews could have been saved through the law, there was no need for God to send a Savior.
No one kept the Jewish law perfectly, which is why God sent one final sacrifice for sin,,,,the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Jew in Matthew 19 was BOASTING how he kept the law. Jesus said, you want to be perfect, follow me, but he couldnt due to his great possessions.
You cannot be saved trusting in your own goodness. You dismiss the work of Christ, and have placed your trust in yourself. God says only those whom have faith in Christ have eternal life. You cannot have faith in what Christ did when you continue to preach and glorify your own works. Christians preach the gospel for salvation. You are preaching your own good works. Did the apostles preach in Acts how good they are and for people to keep the law? No. They preached JESUS CHRIST, HIM CRUCIFIED and RAISED for salvation.
HeistheWay, thats not the gospel.
Why did Jesus give us commandments? It was not so we could ignore them:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:18 - 22)

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
 
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You said: "If works could save you then Jesus would never have had to come and die on a cross. Abraham was righteous by faith. That’s how we become the children of Abraham and heirs to the promise."

We are not saved by works and neither are we saved without them.
 
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