Do Jews still exist?

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Jews who are Jews by Genetics can be messianic or still waiting for the messiah... They are both Jews....

It's not the same as being born Catholic or Protestant.....

My wife's family is Italian... very Catholic... She didn't have to do anything.. she just started coming to church with me.. We were married by a protestant minister and he had no issues...

If you are a Jew.. from the line of Israel... you will always be a Jew.. You can practice any messianic, non messianic, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever.. but your still of the Jewish line.

God is not insulted by any of this..

He is only sad that people don't accept what His son did for them..

We are all, in this time of grace.. either those that have accepted Christ and achieved salvation through Him.. or we have not.

When the end of this age comes.. things will be different. God will recognize 144,000 of the original line who will convert to being believing messianic Jews.

I agree with everything you wrote, except for the last line.
 
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Yes, the season is still happening. Jesus said "I will not return until Jerusalem says 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord'." Jerusalem still reject Jesus.

Additionally, that passage in Romans 11 says "all of Israel will be saved, and He will remove the ungodliness from Jacob." This hasn't happened yet either.

Check out this video by Eitan Bar - one of the leaders of the Ministry One For Israel.

In his words, he says "after 2000 years of silence, the gospel is now being preached again to the Jews. Up until a few years ago, Jewish Israelies coming to believe in Jesus as the Messiah was extremely rare. When Israel was established as a state again, there were only 30 believers in Jesus in Israel."

He specifically says how he and many others were moved to jealousy by Christians he'd met.
I'm not sure if I track with that, at least your conclusions of Rom 11. If you are a part of the tree, you are saved and you are Israel and conversely if you are not a part of the tree you are not saved and you are not Israel (regardless what household you were born into). This is not a birthright Israel it is Israel through faith; a true Israel.
 
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I'm not sure if I track with that, at least your conclusions of Rom 11. If you are a part of the tree, you are saved and you are Israel and conversely if you are not a part of the tree you are not saved and you are not Israel (regardless what household you were born into). This is not a birthright Israel it is Israel through faith; a true Israel.
I think God is big enough to honor multiple avenues of His promises. Both the spiritual and natural seeds.

Yes, it says the natural branches were broken off (for unbelief) ... but it goes on to say that they can be grafted back into their own olive tree if they believe in Yeshua. Consider that in Torah there are 2 divisions of the descendants of Abraham - Israel and Jacob. This is allegorically referencing the two families of Abraham - the natural seed (Jacob) and the spiritual seed or Christians (Israel) - Galatians 4:22-31.

[Rom 4:12-13, 16-17 NASB] 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. ... 16 For this reason [it is] by faith, in order that [it may be] in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, [even] God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.​

God cares about ALL the descendants of Abraham - the Jews and the Christians, Jacob and Israel.

[Psa 22:23 NASB] 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel.

[Psa 78:71 NASB] 71 From the care of the ewes with suckling lambs He brought him To shepherd Jacob His people, And Israel His inheritance.

[Isa 41:8 NASB] 8 "But you, Israel, My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, Descendant of Abraham My friend,

[Eze 20:5 NASB] 5 and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "On the day when I chose Israel and swore to the descendants of the house of Jacob and made Myself known to them in the land of Egypt, when I swore to them, saying, I am the LORD your God,​
 
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[Rom 11:25-29 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." 27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of [God's] choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.​

God isn't done with the Jews. When the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, His attention will return once again to the Jews. Here it prophesies that God will remove the ungodliness from Jacob after the time of the Gentiles has ended.
 
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[Rom 11:25-29 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." 27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of [God's] choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.​

God isn't done with the Jews. When the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, His attention will return once again to the Jews. Here it prophesies that God will remove the ungodliness from Jacob after the time of the Gentiles has ended.
God is done with them. The past 2,100 years prove it. So you need to re-examine the way you interpret Romans 11. Paul uses a bunch of conditional verbs throughout the entire chapter. Paul was saying only what can be, not what will be. God's gifts and callings are not irrevocable from his side. He won't back out. But Israel had to meet the conditions which they didn't. So all bets are off. God is done with them.
 
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God is done with them. The past 2,100 years prove it. So you need to re-examine the way you interpret Romans 11. Paul uses a bunch of conditional verbs throughout the entire chapter. Paul was saying only what can be, not what will be. God's gifts and callings are not irrevocable from his side. He won't back out. But Israel had to meet the conditions which they didn't. So all bets are off. God is done with them.
[Mat 23:37-39 NASB] 37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 "For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"​

Jesus Himself told us he would not return until the Jews turn back to Him. Your attitude is not only anti-Semitic, but it's anti-Christ.

When God created the covenant with Abraham, God passed through the halves of animals alone with Abraham having been put into a deep sleep... signifying God would be responsible for both sides of the covenant... so it doesnt' matter how poorly the Jews have done in keeping their covenants, God is faithful even when they are not.

[Gen 17:7-8 NASB] 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."​
 
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Over this wide spread of people to distant lands, time and loss of identity is there really any such thing as a Jew today? or are we all Gentile?

Some years ago I was in Venice Italy and visited the old Jewish Quarter, or 'Ghetto' in the Venetian Dialect, where the word originates from. A place where Jews were compelled to live in a walled suburb, separate from the rest of medieval society, despised a 'infidels', compelled to wear different clothes, forbidden to marry Catholics, barred from many occupations, persecuted in various pogroms and with unjust laws. And so it was in many countries in Medieval Europe. Due to this persecution Jews kept their separate identity down to the modern age.

This unjust persecution was used by our mighty Lord in a Romans 8:28 moment, when the time came to fulfill the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Jesus for the return of their Jews to their land as the nation of Israel in 1948 they had maintained their separate identity.

God Bless You :)
 
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Jesus Himself told us he would not return until the Jews turn back to Him. Your attitude is not only anti-Semitic, but it's anti-Christ.
Jesus used conditional verbs in Matthew 23:39. The problem is that Romans 11 and Matthew 23 and many other scripture passages contain conditional verbs which are not apparent in most English translations. Young's Literal Translation renders all conditional verbs as they appear in the Greek.

39 for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, 'Blessed he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'

It says that they may not see him until they may say "Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord." This is clearly a conditional statement. It means that if they don't say "blessed is he" they won't see him again. Your charge of "anti-semitism" is like the liberals who say "racist" when people don't agree with them.


When God created the covenant with Abraham, God passed through the halves of animals alone with Abraham having been put into a deep sleep... signifying God would be responsible for both sides of the covenant... so it doesnt' matter how poorly the Jews have done in keeping their covenants, God is faithful even when they are not.
This is totally made up. God explicitly told Abraham that he had to walk blameless before him.

“When Abram was ninety-nine years old the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “‘I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless, that I may make my covenant between me and you, and may multiply you greatly.’” Genesis 17:1-2

I have a whole treasure chest of scriptures which explicitly say that the promises were conditional. In fact, there is no such thing as an unconditional in scripture. It is the total fabrication of men.
 
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Jesus used conditional verbs in Matthew 23:39. The problem is that Romans 11 and Matthew 23 and many other scripture passages contain conditional verbs which are not apparent in most English translations. Young's Literal Translation renders all conditional verbs as they appear in the Greek.

39 for I say to you, ye may not see me henceforth, till ye may say, 'Blessed he who is coming in the name of the Lord.'

It says that they may not see him until they may say "Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord." This is clearly a conditional statement. It means that if they don't say "blessed is he" they won't see him again. Your charge of "anti-semitism" is like the liberals who say "racist" when people don't agree with them.
You've literally made the point for me... "If they don't say blessed is He they won't see Him again." So seeing Christ again is conditional upon them (the Jews in Jerusalem) saying "blessed is He" in regards to Christ. In other words, before He returns there will be a great awakening of the Jews. Since this hasn't happened yet (only 0.3% of Jews are messianic), we can conclude that God is not done with the Jews yet.

This is totally made up. God explicitly told Abraham that he had to walk blameless before him.

“When Abram was ninety-nine years old the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “‘I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be blameless, that I may make my covenant between me and you, and may multiply you greatly.’” Genesis 17:1-2

I have a whole treasure chest of scriptures which explicitly say that the promises were conditional. In fact, there is no such thing as an unconditional in scripture. It is the total fabrication of men.
I'm curious -- which laws were Abraham required to follow? Since the law of Moses and the 10 commandments wouldn't be given for another 430 years, after Abraham's covenant of faith with God, I'm curious which laws you think he had to follow?

In Abraham's day, when a covenant was made, the two parties would ratify the covenant by splitting an animal in half and then walk between the halves with a torch to signify - If I break this covenant, may this be done to me.

When God makes the covenant of faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ with Abraham, God puts Abraham to sleep and passes between the halves as a pillar of fire.

[Gen 15:5-10, 12, 17-21 NASB] 5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your seed be." 6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. 7 And He said to him, "I am the LORD who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it." 8 He said, "O Lord GOD, how may I know that I will possess it?" 9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon." 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds. ... 12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror [and] great darkness fell upon him. ... 17 It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, [there appeared] a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite 20 and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim 21 and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite."​

Here we see God ratify the covenant of faith with Abraham. Again, this was 430 years before the law, so the covenant of faith God made with Abraham is apart from the law, and the law cannot add any conditions to it. This covenant God ratifies with Abraham by passing between the halves as a pillar of fire, whilst Abraham slept and did not pass through - indicating he had no binding obligation to keep his side of the covenant.

This is further evidenced by the fact that God made Abraham righteous for his faith prior to Abraham being circumcised.

[Rom 4:9-13, 16-17 NASB] 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. ... 16 For this reason [it is] by faith, in order that [it may be] in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, [even] God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.​

In order to be saved, you and I have to become part of the group of Abraham's descendants (as the Jews naturally are).

[Gal 3:6-9 NASB] 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

[Gal 3:15-17 NASB] 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is [only] a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as [referring] to many, but [rather] to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.

[Gen 15:5-6 NASB] 5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." 6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

[Gen 17:7-10 NASB] 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your seed after you. 8 "I will give to you and to your seed after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. 10 "This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your seed after you: every male among you shall be circumcised.
You are the person Paul warns us about in Romans 11... the man who is conceited and boasts against his own brothers the Jews.
 
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You've literally made the point for me... "If they don't say blessed is He they won't see Him again." So seeing Christ again is conditional upon them (the Jews in Jerusalem) saying "blessed is He" in regards to Christ. In other words, before He returns there will be a great awakening of the Jews. Since this hasn't happened yet (only 0.3% of Jews are messianic), we can conclude that God is not done with the Jews yet.
No, I have not made your point for you. First, there is no scripture anywhere that says that there will be a great awakening of the Jews before Christ comes. You failed to provide a scripture for this theory. Second, Jesus speaking to Jews said that there would be few of them that would find the narrow path to life. Even Paul reiterated the cry of Isaiah about Israel's deafness and hardness of heart saying, "Only a small remnant will be saved." Romans 9:27-29

Christ said that when he comes he will not find faith on the earth. When he comes it is to judge unbelievers and to gather his people. That is the end.

In Romans 11 Paul is telling them what can be, not what will be. The expectation of scripture is that Israel will not return to the Lord. But at the same time the scripture holds out the hope that they may return to God. The only guarantee is that at this present time a small remnant will be saved.

"Even so at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." Romans 11:5

The small remnant is saved at this PRESENT TIME, that is, the whole time from Paul's time to the end and not at the end as you are saying. That's it. No mass great awakening will necessarily happen at the end. The only guarantee is that a small remnant definitely will be saved at this present time.



I'm curious -- which laws were Abraham required to follow? Since the law of Moses and the 10 commandments wouldn't be given for another 430 years, after Abraham's covenant of faith with God, I'm curious which laws you think he had to follow?
Who said anything about the Mosaic laws or the ten commandments? God explicitly told Abraham to walk blameless before him that he may multiply his seed. That is conditional. This means that he had to walk blameless according to the revelation he had. If he didn't God would not multiply his seed. God stated the conditionality of his covenant with Abraham repeatedly. Here is another example:

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all the families on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

Note that God said that he said he would bless Abraham BECAUSE Abraham did not withhold his only son. God said that all the families on earth would be blessed BECAUSE Abraham obeyed him. I don't know how people who read the bible can come up with this idea that the Abrahamic covenant was unconditional. If Abraham had not obeyed you and I would not have salvation. We would not be talking about these things.
 
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No, I have not made your point for you. First, there is no scripture anywhere that says that there will be a great awakening of the Jews before Christ comes. You failed to provide a scripture for this theory. Second, Jesus speaking to Jews said that there would be few of them that would find the narrow path to life. Even Paul reiterated the cry of Isaiah about Israel's deafness and hardness of heart saying, "Only a small remnant will be saved." Romans 9:27-29

Christ said that when he comes he will not find faith on the earth. When he comes it is to judge unbelievers and to gather his people. That is the end.

In Romans 11 Paul is telling them what can be, not what will be. The expectation of scripture is that Israel will not return to the Lord. But at the same time the scripture holds out the hope that they may return to God. The only guarantee is that at this present time a small remnant will be saved.

"Even so at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." Romans 11:5

The small remnant is saved at this PRESENT TIME, that is, the whole time from Paul's time to the end and not at the end as you are saying. That's it. No mass great awakening will necessarily happen at the end. The only guarantee is that a small remnant definitely will be saved at this present time.
[Jer 33:24-26 NASB] 24 "Have you not observed what this people have spoken, saying, 'The two families which the LORD chose, He has rejected them'? Thus they despise My people, no longer are they as a nation in their sight. 25 "Thus says the LORD, 'If My covenant [for] day and night [stand] not, [and] the fixed patterns of heaven and earth I have not established, 26 then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.'"​

Sorry friend... it is an everlasting covenant without end.

Who said anything about the Mosaic laws or the ten commandments? God explicitly told Abraham to walk blameless before him that he may multiply his seed. That is conditional. This means that he had to walk blameless according to the revelation he had. If he didn't God would not multiply his seed. God stated the conditionality of his covenant with Abraham repeatedly. Here is another example:

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all the families on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

Note that God said that he said he would bless Abraham BECAUSE Abraham did not withhold his only son. God said that all the families on earth would be blessed BECAUSE Abraham obeyed him. I don't know how people who read the bible can come up with this idea that the Abrahamic covenant was unconditional. If Abraham had not obeyed you and I would not have salvation. We would not be talking about these things.
What was Abraham blameless for? The only two "laws" in existence were not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and by implication not to murder.

Your example is empty seeing as how the blessing of Abraham (God declaring him righteous for his faith) came prior to his circumcision... and Abraham was circumcised decades before offering Isaac on the altar.

[Rom 4:3-10 NASB] 3 For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT." 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;

[Gal 3:14-18 NASB] 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is [only] a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as [referring] to many, but [rather] to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.​

If you don't inherit the blessing of righteousness from Abraham, then you are not saved. If you don't get your righteousness by being qualified as a descendant of Abraham, then you are dead in your sin. The blessing of Abraham is a covenant that is in terms of HUMAN RELATIONS... the descendants of Abraham INHERIT it.

Rejecting the Jews is rejecting your brothers. Reject Abraham and you are rejecting the inheritance of Christ's righteousness. Why are you so consumed by hatred of God's chosen people, I wonder? Certainly that's not the mind of Christ in you.

[Jhn 13:35 NASB] 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."​

Thus far, all I've seen from you on this board is a seething loathing of God's people. You might want to examine your motives.
 
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[Gen 12:1-3 NASB] 1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 2 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." ... 7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your seed I will give this land." So he built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

[Gal 3:6-9 NASB] 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
This is the beginning of Abraham's covenant with God. Notice it starts with Abram as a great nation (singular), but by Genesis 17 God has changed his name to Abraham and the covenant of faith is to him as the "father of many nations." This promise to Abraham is everlasting. It has no end time.

[Num 23:5, 7-11, 13, 16, 18-25, 27 NASB] 5 Then the LORD put a word in Balaam's mouth and said, "Return to Balak, and you shall speak thus." ... 7 He took up his discourse and said, "From Aram Balak has brought me, Moab's king from the mountains of the East, 'Come curse Jacob for me, And come, denounce Israel!' 8 "How shall I curse whom God has not cursed? And how can I denounce whom the LORD has not denounced? 9 "As I see him from the top of the rocks, And I look at him from the hills; Behold, a people [who] dwells apart, And will not be reckoned among the nations. 10 "Who can count the dust of Jacob, Or number the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the upright, And let my end be like his!" 11 Then Balak said to Balaam, "What have you done to me? I took you to curse my enemies, but behold, you have actually blessed them!" ... 13 Then Balak said to him, "Please come with me to another place from where you may see them, although you will only see the extreme end of them and will not see all of them; and curse them for me from there." ... 16 Then the LORD met Balaam and put a word in his mouth and said, "Return to Balak, and thus you shall speak." ... 18 Then he took up his discourse and said, "Arise, O Balak, and hear; Give ear to me, O son of Zippor! 19 "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? 20 "Behold, I have received [a command] to bless; When He has blessed, then I cannot revoke it. 21 "He has not observed misfortune in Jacob; Nor has He seen trouble in Israel; The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them. 22 "God brings them out of Egypt, He is for them like the horns of the wild ox. 23 "For there is no omen against Jacob, Nor is there any divination against Israel; At the proper time it shall be said to Jacob And to Israel, what God has done! 24 "Behold, a people rises like a lioness, And as a lion it lifts itself; It will not lie down until it devours the prey, And drinks the blood of the slain." 25 Then Balak said to Balaam, "Do not curse them at all nor bless them at all!" ... 27 Then Balak said to Balaam, "Please come, I will take you to another place; perhaps it will be agreeable with God that you curse them for me from there."​

[Num 24:3-10 NASB] 3 He took up his discourse and said, "The oracle of Balaam the son of Beor, And the oracle of the man whose eye is opened; 4 The oracle of him who hears the words of God, Who sees the vision of the Almighty, Falling down, yet having his eyes uncovered, 5 How fair are your tents, O Jacob, Your dwellings, O Israel! 6 "Like valleys that stretch out, Like gardens beside the river, Like aloes planted by the LORD, Like cedars beside the waters. 7 "Water will flow from his buckets, And his seed [will be] by many waters, And his king shall be higher than Agag, And his kingdom shall be exalted. 8 "God brings him out of Egypt, He is for him like the horns of the wild ox. He will devour the nations [who are] his adversaries, And will crush their bones in pieces, And shatter [them] with his arrows. 9 "He couches, he lies down as a lion, And as a lion, who dares rouse him? Blessed is everyone who blesses you, And cursed is everyone who curses you." 10 Then Balak's anger burned against Balaam, and he struck his hands together; and Balak said to Balaam, "I called you to curse my enemies, but behold, you have persisted in blessing them these three times!
It is not the spirit of God which pronounces curses on the nation of Israel... but the other spirit - the spirit of the devil. The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

[Rom 11:6, 10-12, 15-18, 25-29 NASB] 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. ... 10 "LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT, AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER." 11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation [has come] to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be! ... 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will [their] acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the first piece [of dough] is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, [remember that] it is not you who supports the root, but the root [supports] you. ... 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." 27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of [God's] choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.​

Do not be arrogant toward the Jews...for they are the root and it is they and their covenant which supports you, not the other way around. Boxer you are cursed if you curse Israel... this is an irrevocable, eternal promise based on grace not works.

[Rom 4:16-17 NASB] 16 For this reason [it is] by faith, in order that [it may be] in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, "A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU") in the presence of Him whom he believed, [even] God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.​
 
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BTW - the Jews were not cursed for Christ's crucifixion, but rather the land was cursed for 2000 years.

[Gal 3:13 NASB] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--

[Deu 21:23 NASB] 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.​

The reason the Jews were scattered from their promised land is because the land was cursed, not because the people were cursed.

[Mar 15:33-37 NASB] 33 When the sixth hour came, darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" 35 When some of the bystanders heard it, they [began] saying, "Behold, He is calling for Elijah." 36 Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down." 37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last.​

Because it turned dark and then light at his death while he hung on the cross, the land was cursed for 2000 years. This is why the Jews were scattered from that land, not because God cursed or rejected the Jews.
 
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