If Peter wasn't the first pope, who was?

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So anything misspelled is automatically untrue??
That does not follow. Your statement was inaccurate. I said your spelling was as accurate as your statement, therefore I am saying that your spelling is inaccurate.
I knew Catholics wouldn’t like that truth. The inquisition showed the Catholic response to truth.
I'm not Catholic.
I’m glad we’re only electronic here.
Where you can happily post falsehood without fear of reprisals.
 
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That does not follow.
That was your point but it’s good that you see the foolishness if your statement.
Your statement was inaccurate.
You mean you personally disagree.
I said your spelling was as accurate as your statement, therefore I am saying that your spelling is inaccurate.
Inplying thereby the statement is therefore inaccurate.
I'm not Catholic.
But you believe their teaching.
Where you can happily post falsehood without fear of reprisals.
Truth can be posted without fear either. Falsehood is generally accepted.
 
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You mean you personally disagree.
No, history disagrees with you. All Constantine did was to first end the persecution of the Church and make Christianity a legal religion in the empire, then later provide the ways and means for bishops from all over to gather for a general council to deal with theological issues which were causing strife across the empire, notably the Arian heresy and also the different dates on which Churches were celebrating the death and resurrection of Christ. Constantine did not make any decisions in that council but did put his considerable weight behind the decisions made by the bishops at the council.
He did not establish the papacy in Rome, in fact by relocating the capital of the empire to the city of Byzantium, later known as Constantinople, he reduced Rome to a backwater.

All you have to do to discover how false your claims are is to actually crack open a history book written by someone who is actually qualified in the field of history, rather than just repeating the same ignorant claims put out by certain Protestants. I heartily recommend you do so.
 
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But you believe their teaching.
If I believed their teaching, I would be Catholic, and I would not be arguing against certain Catholic claims as I have been in this thread.
 
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Are you really in Israel?

Its my home.
Netanya, Israel, about 40mins north of Tel Aviv

I travel tho...
Currently im in the States .
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here is my home.. and that is my beach.
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Emporer Constantine was the first head of the Catholic church.
This is an incorrect statement. While it's a matter of interpretation, there are many ways to point to Peter as the first head of the Catholic Church (regardless of what you call him). When Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, the Church had already spread to Rome, much of Greece and Macedonia, and Asia Minor. Why is Rome the center of the Catholic Church? Because it was the center of the world in 33 AD and for centuries following. If you're interested in real Catholic Church history, I can point you to a very detailed audio program, and it's free. There are 46 hours of Church History of the Early Church, as well as about 180 hours of Medieval and Modern history. It's a lot to listen to, but it's good for binging. Better than Netflix, too, and more accurate.
 
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Emporer Constantine was the first head of the Catholic church.

Quote me a church father or council who made that claim. The fathers affirmed the bishops of Rome were head of the universal church. I have lots of citations for this.
 
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Unless you did the translations yourself, you have not cited your sources.
Did you do the translations? If not, what is the source of your English translations?

I am one of only a few people in the world who have access to the manuscript of a book which is yet to be published. The author, a personal friend of mine, read the primary sources in Latin and Greek and did the translating.
 
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I am one of only a few people in the world who have access to the manuscript of a book which is yet to be published. The author, a personal friend of mine, read the primary sources in Latin and Greek and did the translating.
So, a secondary source.
 
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So, a secondary source.
That is setting a very high standard indeed, Prodromos. I have had the odd Protestant apologist who choose to ignore the early Church fathers because we could not produce the very parchment or papyrus on which they wrote. Of course, these types would say it is a forgery if we did produce such a thing. So all of what we have today has been copied, quoted, translated several times and we can only try our best academically to recover the truth that they meant to convey.
 
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That is setting a very high standard indeed, Prodromos. I have had the odd Protestant apologist who choose to ignore the early Church fathers because we could not produce the very parchment or papyrus on which they wrote. Of course, these types would say it is a forgery if we did produce such a thing. So all of what we have today has been copied, quoted, translated several times and we can only try our best academically to recover the truth that they meant to convey.
It is the standard Aspect used earlier to dismiss another work as potentially unreliable. Your beef is with him, not with me.
 
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It is the standard Aspect used earlier to dismiss another work as potentially unreliable. Your beef is with him, not with me.

It's not a good idea to promote alcohol use as you have in your "signature".
 
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So anything misspelled is automatically untrue?? I knew Catholics wouldn’t like that truth. The inquisition showed the Catholic response to truth. I’m glad we’re only electronic here.
No, the statement you made lacks historical veracity. Constantine was not Pope, Bishop, Priest, or Deacon, and was only baptised a short time before his death. Constantine is a very complex character, and whilst indeed the Church was relieved of persecution in his time, and indeed prospered and grew in his time. At Nicaea it is clear he sought to let the Church determine the matter, and in all likelihood he would have preferred another outcome, yet he lived by the Churches decision. The Inquisition, is a thousand years away from Constantine, and indeed in that intervening period the Great Schism had come to pass and that changed the character of what you might see as the Catholic Church. The truth is that what your purport to be true is clearly untrue in this matter, spelling aside.
 
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Clearly you have no sense of humour.

I have a great sense of humor. Joking about alcohol solving a problem is not funny, particularly when one's mother, like mine, was an alcoholic. It's particularly inappropriate in a Christian forum.
 
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I have a great sense of humor. Joking about alcohol solving a problem is not funny, particularly when one's mother, like mine, was an alcoholic.
I am sorry to hear about your mother.
It's particularly inappropriate in a Christian forum.
Your opinion is shaped by your experience which makes you overly sensitive.
 
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I am sorry to hear about your mother.

Your opinion is shaped by your experience which makes you overly sensitive.

I am not overly sensitive. You think using alcohol to influence your thinking is funny; it is not.
 
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