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I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God
Ask Jesus to save you. We bring Him our sins, He brings forgiveness of those sins.
 
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thank you I want desperately to accept that but I also see in scripture the dire importance to hold firm to the beginning of your faith all the way to the end I believe God can redeem even the worst of mistakes but because I feel my heart is hardend and diffrent fears that keep popping up in my mind with me being beyond Gods mercy I have a hard time discerning if this is Just or spiritual warfare

It's spiritual warfare.

Eph.6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

James 4:6 But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.

Mt.26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Rom.5:20b but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

Phil.4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Phil.4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
 
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One thing God has spoken, two things I have heard: “Power belongs to you, God, and with you, Lord, is unfailing love”; Psalm 62:11b-12a

Love Omnipotent loves you more than you can imagine!

If you want to know how much God loves you, look to the incarnation, life, sufferings, and crucifixion of Christ. His love & power for you are greater than the size of the universe:

 
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Hello my names Malik, a bit of background on me I grew up in church but didn’t really take God serious until I was 17 I saw that the one who loves God obeys his commands so I set out to be born again which I believe I was and to learn his commands but shortly after I stopped seeking after him and was weighed down by my sins and ended up losing my attitude of fighting against it and continued living in it, fast forward a couple months after being born again I lost what little understanding I had and settled for a lowland Christianity(not consciously) fast forward 2 years later I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God but I’m afraid I grieved the Holy Spirit so much that it departed and will never return, I understand God forgives all sin but his kindness is not be taken advantage which I’m afraid I trampled the grace of God and I also understand people can’t confirm if the spirit is in me or not but the spirit itself testifies to our spirit we are children of God my question is how do I get it back if I can I’ll do anything to have the privilege of being a Christ follower that God has forgiven for past sins but I feel no peace of anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it
Hebrews 6 is about Jews leaving the New Covent in Christ and returning to Judaism and animal temple sacrifices. Not Christians backsliding. So don't let anyone tell you you are beyond forgiveness and repentance.
 
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While nobody 100% knows what the writer of hebrews was talking about in that particular verse pv Hebrews 6 there's one fact that remains.

It cannot be the common interpretation spreading in our Churches today. Why? Because In two verses of his letter the writer of Hebrews says that Christs sacrifice was a once for all time sacrifice. In other words, the sacrifice of Christ lasts forever. How can the sacrifice of Christ last for all time and we be saved for all time if its possible at that same time to lose our salvation through unbelief?

Not to mention this is the ONLY place in scripture where it even apparently says that you can lose your salvation from unbelief (even Christ didnt claim a loss of salvation in Matthew 7:21-23 & Christs parable in Matthew 25 (forget exactly where) he was talking about true faith there and what happens to those who pretend to have faith. Because as Christ said throughout his ministry that a truly saved person will ALWAYS have works. He also made MANY statements about the eternal salvation of his sheep. As did every apostle. Not to mention if he DID mean you could lose your salvation based on unbelief there would be ccx a contradiction in scripture because preserverence of the saints is taught ALL throughout scripture even in the old testament.

A possible reason the writer of Hebrews wrote that in Hebrews 6 could be to explain what would happen if it WERE possible for us to lose the Holy Spirit and therefore be able to not believe anymore. But the loss of the Holy Spirit is impossible. Scripture says it again and again. The only person that EVER lost the Holy Spirit was King Saul. He lost it because he grieved the Holy Spirit from his actions and God TOLD the Holy Spirit to leave him. If God told the Holy Spirit to leave us now, hed be a liar in the many places if his word.


So be at peace the only way to lose your salvation is to lose the Holy Spirit. And scripture says time and time again that that's impossible. If you abandoned the faith its because you never had the Holy Spirit to begin with.
 
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God has never asked you to be perfect. Do you expect perfection from your children? Do you revoke your love from them if they mess up? What about even if they mess up 100 times? 1,000 times? Matthew 7:11 "If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"

Perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:8). Do you know agape love? It means "the highest form of love", it is unconditional. You do not have to be afraid. :)

I understand your point, even so, our Heavenly Father does instruct and command us to be holy and perfect before Him. If we commit to holiness before God, then, if we should sin, God will forgive us. But God will not forgive hypocrites.

1 John 2:1-6 (WEB)
1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
4 One who says, “I know him,” and doesn’t keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn’t in him. 5 But God’s love has most certainly been perfected in whoever keeps his word. This is how we know that we are in him: 6 he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked.

Matthew 5:48 (WEB)
48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Hebrews 12:14 (KJV)
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

2 Corinthians 7:1 (WEB)
7 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let’s cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

1 John 2:5 (WEB)
5 But God’s love has most certainly been perfected in whoever keeps his word.

1 Peter 1:14-18 (NIV)
14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors

Revelation 3:1-4 (WEB)
1 “I know your works, that you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that didn’t defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.

We are saved by possessing the faith of the Gospel - the same faith Jesus had.
  • We are to obey God just as Jesus did.
  • We are to keep His commands just as Jesus kept His Father's commands.
  • We are to overcome just as Jesus did.
  • We are to walk just as Jesus walked.
  • We are to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow Him, just as Jesus did.
Jesus’ own life is our most obvious example of how we are to conduct our lives, if we truly have put our faith in Jesus. How Jesus expressed his faith to the Father, is exactly the faith we are to possess and follow - if we do so, only then will our Heavenly Father forgive us if we should commit a sin in weakness:

Matthew 10:38-39 (WEB)
38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me isn’t worthy of me. 39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.

Revelation 3:21 (WEB)
21 He who overcomes, I will give to him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father on his throne.

John 15:10-11 (WEB)
10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

Hebrews 5:8 (NIV)
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.

Notice that our faith is not any different from what Lord Jesus expressed while He was on earth, and we are to follow His example of faith to be saved.

Count the Cost - your life.
Choose this day whom you will serve.

Blessings
 
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Hello my names Malik, a bit of background on me I grew up in church but didn’t really take God serious until I was 17 I saw that the one who loves God obeys his commands so I set out to be born again which I believe I was and to learn his commands but shortly after I stopped seeking after him and was weighed down by my sins and ended up losing my attitude of fighting against it and continued living in it, fast forward a couple months after being born again I lost what little understanding I had and settled for a lowland Christianity(not consciously) fast forward 2 years later I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God but I’m afraid I grieved the Holy Spirit so much that it departed and will never return, I understand God forgives all sin but his kindness is not be taken advantage which I’m afraid I trampled the grace of God and I also understand people can’t confirm if the spirit is in me or not but the spirit itself testifies to our spirit we are children of God my question is how do I get it back if I can I’ll do anything to have the privilege of being a Christ follower that God has forgiven for past sins but I feel no peace of anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it
Heb 6:4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen c away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Be not dismayed Malik. Based on what you have written about yourself, this passage does not apply to you. Note the present tense verbs in this passage of scripture. The reason that they cannot be brought back to repentance is that they are still crucifying and subjecting Jesus to public disgrace. They are not repentant but continue in these present tense actions of "crucifying" and "shaming" Jesus. Thus it is not possible for God to forgive them as long as they are unrepentant. Given your history and present situation/attitude, you are repentant - unlike those in Heb 6. Just ask God to forgive you for your past and start walking in a lifestyle of obedience to His commands.
 
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Hello Malik,
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I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.


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Hello my names Malik, a bit of background on me I grew up in church but didn’t really take God serious until I was 17 I saw that the one who loves God obeys his commands so I set out to be born again which I believe I was and to learn his commands but shortly after I stopped seeking after him and was weighed down by my sins and ended up losing my attitude of fighting against it and continued living in it, fast forward a couple months after being born again I lost what little understanding I had and settled for a lowland Christianity(not consciously) fast forward 2 years later I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God but I’m afraid I grieved the Holy Spirit so much that it departed and will never return, I understand God forgives all sin but his kindness is not be taken advantage which I’m afraid I trampled the grace of God and I also understand people can’t confirm if the spirit is in me or not but the spirit itself testifies to our spirit we are children of God my question is how do I get it back if I can I’ll do anything to have the privilege of being a Christ follower that God has forgiven for past sins but I feel no peace of anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it
Welcome! Other than grieve the Holy Spirit you also "quenched" Him. Repent and get back on the narrow road that leads to the narrow gate where Jesus Christ of Nazareth awaits for you. Your post indicates you are finally allowing the Holy Spirit to work in you. Be patience and above all TRUST that He is doing a good work in you.
Be blessed and stay healthy!
 
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It's spiritual warfare.

Eph.6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

James 4:6 But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.

Mt.26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Rom.5:20b but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

Phil.4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Phil.4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.

thank you for these verses brother
 
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While nobody 100% knows what the writer of hebrews was talking about in that particular verse pv Hebrews 6 there's one fact that remains.

It cannot be the common interpretation spreading in our Churches today. Why? Because In two verses of his letter the writer of Hebrews says that Christs sacrifice was a once for all time sacrifice. In other words, the sacrifice of Christ lasts forever. How can the sacrifice of Christ last for all time and we be saved for all time if its possible at that same time to lose our salvation through unbelief?

Not to mention this is the ONLY place in scripture where it even apparently says that you can lose your salvation from unbelief (even Christ didnt claim a loss of salvation in Matthew 7:21-23 & Christs parable in Matthew 25 (forget exactly where) he was talking about true faith there and what happens to those who pretend to have faith. Because as Christ said throughout his ministry that a truly saved person will ALWAYS have works. He also made MANY statements about the eternal salvation of his sheep. As did every apostle. Not to mention if he DID mean you could lose your salvation based on unbelief there would be ccx a contradiction in scripture because preserverence of the saints is taught ALL throughout scripture even in the old testament.

A possible reason the writer of Hebrews wrote that in Hebrews 6 could be to explain what would happen if it WERE possible for us to lose the Holy Spirit and therefore be able to not believe anymore. But the loss of the Holy Spirit is impossible. Scripture says it again and again. The only person that EVER lost the Holy Spirit was King Saul. He lost it because he grieved the Holy Spirit from his actions and God TOLD the Holy Spirit to leave him. If God told the Holy Spirit to leave us now, hed be a liar in the many places if his word.


So be at peace the only way to lose your salvation is to lose the Holy Spirit. And scripture says time and time again that that's impossible. If you abandoned the faith its because you never had the Holy Spirit to begin with.

I see what you’re saying sister, but the way I see it from scripture is The Holy Spirit is a free gift, an unmerited gift and God gives us grace to nature and grow into our salvation, I see Jesus say things like, Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. – Mat 24:12-13 I see there’s an importance to stand firm in our faith and nothing can separate us from the love of God but we can remove ourselves, If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. - John 15:6, tbh I’d do anything to accept God again and be able to grow in faith but if God won’t accept me because I chose to remove myself I have no hope, I’m not giving up tho Gods the only thing that matters in life, he is life
 
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Heb 6:4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen c away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Be not dismayed Malik. Based on what you have written about yourself, this passage does not apply to you. Note the present tense verbs in this passage of scripture. The reason that they cannot be brought back to repentance is that they are still crucifying and subjecting Jesus to public disgrace. They are not repentant but continue in these present tense actions of "crucifying" and "shaming" Jesus. Thus it is not possible for God to forgive them as long as they are unrepentant. Given your history and present situation/attitude, you are repentant - unlike those in Heb 6. Just ask God to forgive you for your past and start walking in a lifestyle of obedience to His commands.

Brother I’ve heard of this interpretation before from brother Zac poonen, I see the present tense could very well mean that and I want to accept it but I also can see the present tense once you’ve fallen away if you try to come back it’s impossible to renew you to repentance because you again crucify the son of God afresh, Christ sacrifice was once for all and nothing can separate you from that my struggle is with understanding if God still has mercy in his heart for me, the picture used after the verses shown if ground produces thorns and thistles it’s closed to be cursed, in my spiritual life I haven’t produced any good fruit because I didn’t remain in the vine when I was 17, maybe my understanding of it is wrong and as long as you desire to turn away from sin and want God you’ll find him perhaps im setting myself up for failure before I even begin, I have a desperate love for the truth because I don’t want to deceive myself anymore like I did in the past in order to justify how I lived, I do believe God Spirit won’t contend with humans forever and there’s a cut off point and my fear is I crossed that line but if it doesn’t apply to me and there is hope for me in God, God being life and the only hope of the whole world how do I test myself to see if I’m truly in the faith and cultivate the spirits companionship?
 
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Welcome! Other than grieve the Holy Spirit you also "quenched" Him. Repent and get back on the narrow road that leads to the narrow gate where Jesus Christ of Nazareth awaits for you. Your post indicates you are finally allowing the Holy Spirit to work in you. Be patience and above all TRUST that He is doing a good work in you.
Be blessed and stay healthy!
Thank you! Perhaps I’m overthinking and just need to give God time to work
 
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...but if it doesn’t apply to me and there is hope for me in God, God being life and the only hope of the whole world how do I test myself to see if I’m truly in the faith and cultivate the spirits companionship?
I suggest you read through the book of 1 John. Throughout this book, the Apostle John describes who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. Just a few examples:

1 Jn 3:7-8 Little children, let no one lead you astray; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God was revealed, so that He might destroy the works of the devil.

1 Jn 3:10 Through this, the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: anyone not practicing righteousness is not of God, and also the one not loving his brother.

1 Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one not loving abides in death.

1 Jn 3:21-24 Beloved, if our heart should not condemn us, we have confidence toward God, and whatever we might ask, we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and we do the things pleasing before Him. And this is His commandment, that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another, just as He gave the commandment to us. And the one keeping His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us: by the Spirit whom He has given to us.

1 Jn 1:7 But if we should walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 Jn 2:3-6 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we should keep His commandments. The one saying, “I have known Him,” and not keeping His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever may keep His word, truly in him the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: The one claiming to abide in Him ought also walk just as in the same way that He walked.
 
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Hello my names Malik, a bit of background on me I grew up in church but didn’t really take God serious until I was 17 I saw that the one who loves God obeys his commands so I set out to be born again which I believe I was and to learn his commands but shortly after I stopped seeking after him and was weighed down by my sins and ended up losing my attitude of fighting against it and continued living in it, fast forward a couple months after being born again I lost what little understanding I had and settled for a lowland Christianity(not consciously) fast forward 2 years later I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God but I’m afraid I grieved the Holy Spirit so much that it departed and will never return, I understand God forgives all sin but his kindness is not be taken advantage which I’m afraid I trampled the grace of God and I also understand people can’t confirm if the spirit is in me or not but the spirit itself testifies to our spirit we are children of God my question is how do I get it back if I can I’ll do anything to have the privilege of being a Christ follower that God has forgiven for past sins but I feel no peace of anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it

Mr. Malik,

Greetings Brother.

There is sin that leads to death, and that is to die being a slave to deliberate unrepentant sin - which is to disown Christ and to insult the Spirit of Grace.

As I understand it, you are not dead yet, and although you have strayed, as we all have at some point more than once, you have humbly come back to the Shepherd of your soul.

Sin that Leads to Death

There is a big difference between sins which lead to death to that of a faithful person who otherwise commits a sin in weakness, or has fallen for a time. The sins that lead to death are those sins we refuse to turn from that then become vices that we allow to master us – to have dominion over God’s Holy Spirit that indwells us by faith.
  • If you were to die in this kind sin you would be lost.
  • If God has hardened your heart, you would not be able to turn to Him again and ask His forgiveness.
James 1:12-16 (WEB)
12 Blessed is a person who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin. The sin, when it is full grown, produces death. 16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers.


Sin which God forgives are sins we committed in weakness, and may have been deliberate, but that we are were very sorry for and humbly turn away from and ask God to forgive, and then re-commit our lives to God in holiness.

Hebrews 3:12-13 (NIV) 12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.

As I understand Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-15, a Christian who allows himself to live in any sin, and not turning away from it, has turned away from the living God. They are making a conscious choice to deny Christ Jesus as their Lord so they may follow their new Lord – the sinful vice which they now faithfully serve. Therefore, they are resisting and grieving God’s Spirit who lives in them and, in essence, they disown Christ as Lord over their lives so they can serve that sin-vice. This is spiritual death.

Such a person living in any sin will refuse to believe that they have disowned Jesus as Lord, claiming they still believe Jesus is Lord and they are still bearing some good fruits to "prove" they are saved. However such person has actually disowned Christ. Such person is allowing sin to have dominion over Christ’s Spirit living in them, grieving God’s Holy Spirit. We can only have one master. See again James 1:12-16

Again, as I understand it, you did turn away and allowed sin to again become your master. Therefore, you have disowned Christ. Even so, how many examples and parables of Biblical saints exist that have disowned Christ, or that have turned away from Him, but have again been found, have again become alive again? There are many examples and parables.

Committing a sin that we turn from and then continue steadfastly in our walk with God is not the same thing as deliberately living in unrepentant sin until the day you die.

Unrepentant sin is deliberate disobedience; and so, unrepentant sin is to disown Lord Jesus as the one Master of our life to follow another master – our sin vice. Therefore, we are resisting and grieving His Spirit who lives in us if we do this. In essence, those who live in any unrepentant sin have lost their Gospel Faith; they are no longer in The Faith. “Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-16” makes this clear to me and is in line with what Jesus and the other Apostles taught just as we have seen by the quoted Scriptures you and others have provided.

2 Timothy 2:10-16 (WEB)
10 Therefore I endure all things for the chosen ones’ sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 This saying is trustworthy:

“For if we died with him, we will also live with him.
12 If we endure, we will also reign with him.
If we deny him, he also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he can’t deny himself.”


14 Remind them of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they don’t argue about words, to no profit, to the subverting of those who hear.

Some Christians teach that a Christian has the Divine Nature – the Holy Spirit – and so, no true Christian can sin; rather, a true Christian is perfect and sinless just like Jesus was.

We must keep in mind the reality that partaking of the Divine Nature of God does not guarantee our faith, or that we will remain free of sin for the rest of our lives. Rather, our faithfulness in following Christ, living by His Spirit, guarantees God's power onto salvation and protection by His Spirit. The Spirit only leads us as we faithfully walk by the Spirit we received by faith...

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB)
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.”Habakkuk 2:4

1 Peter 1:5 (KJV)
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:12-13 (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

We see many warnings to the Church within the NT to repent and to remain faithful by the Apostle’s Paul, Peter, James and Jude, and by Lord Jesus in the Gospels and to the Churches in Revelations 2 and 3. Although no true Christian should sin, nor do they live in sin, this does not mean we will never sin in weakness, or that we may not succumb to sin in weakness sometime in our lives. There are many Biblical examples of this. But if we repent and continue in The Faith, God does forgive us.

The Bible is filled with examples of faithful people who fell into sin but repented, and God forgave them. King David is perhaps the most glaring example, since God forgave him of coveting, adultery, and murder, even after David experienced God's grace, power, love, and anointing.

Lord Jesus’ parables of the Lost Son (Luke 5:11-32), the Lost Sheep (Matthew 18:10-14), the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10), Confronting Sin in the Church (Matthew 18:15-18), the Unmerciful Servant (Mattew 18:21-35) and “The Lord’s Prayer” (Matthew 6:9-13) are other examples of God’s mercy for those who have strayed. Lord Jesus taught us to forgive others’ sins against us so that God may also forgive our sins.

God promises to save the Humble

I think the most important lesson you have learned from straying from God, is the lesson of humility. And God sent Jesus to save the Humble - to preach the Gospel to the humble, the crushed in Spirit, those heavy laden with sin and it shame (Luke 4:18-19; Isaiah 61:1-2; Matthew 11:4-5; Matthew 11:28).

As I see it, if indeed you have learned from this grievous lesson, which you have, then you are more lovely to God now than when you first believed, and more a beloved son than one who had never fell from grace. And you are more able to show the kind of love and forgiveness that God also desires to lavish on us.

Luke 15:11-32
11 He said, “A certain man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of your property.’ So he divided his livelihood between them.
13 Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living. 14 When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any.
17 But when he came to himself he said, ‘How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough to spare, and I’m dying with hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. 19 I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants.”’
20 “He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 21 The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let’s eat, and celebrate; 24 for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’ Then they began to celebrate.
25 “Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on. 27 He said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy.’ 28 But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this your son came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’
31 “He said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’”


Blessing Brother.
Steven
 
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Mr. Malik,

Greetings Brother.

There is sin that leads to death, and that is to die being a slave to deliberate unrepentant sin - which is to disown Christ and to insult the Spirit of Grace.

As I understand it, you are not dead yet, and although you have strayed, as we all have at some point more than once, you have humbly come back to the Shepherd of your soul.

Sin that Leads to Death

There is a big difference between sins which lead to death to that of a faithful person who otherwise commits a sin in weakness, or has fallen for a time. The sins that lead to death are those sins we refuse to turn from that then become vices that we allow to master us – to have dominion over God’s Holy Spirit that indwells us by faith.
  • If you were to die in this kind sin you would be lost.
  • If God has hardened your heart, you would not be able to turn to Him again and ask His forgiveness.
James 1:12-16 (WEB)
12 Blessed is a person who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin. The sin, when it is full grown, produces death. 16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers.


Sin which God forgives are sins we committed in weakness, and may have been deliberate, but that we are were very sorry for and humbly turn away from and ask God to forgive, and then re-commit our lives to God in holiness.

Hebrews 3:12-13 (NIV) 12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.

As I understand Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-15, a Christian who allows himself to live in any sin, and not turning away from it, has turned away from the living God. They are making a conscious choice to deny Christ Jesus as their Lord so they may follow their new Lord – the sinful vice which they now faithfully serve. Therefore, they are resisting and grieving God’s Spirit who lives in them and, in essence, they disown Christ as Lord over their lives so they can serve that sin-vice. This is spiritual death.

Such a person living in any sin will refuse to believe that they have disowned Jesus as Lord, claiming they still believe Jesus is Lord and they are still bearing some good fruits to "prove" they are saved. However such person has actually disowned Christ. Such person is allowing sin to have dominion over Christ’s Spirit living in them, grieving God’s Holy Spirit. We can only have one master. See again James 1:12-16

Again, as I understand it, you did turn away and allowed sin to again become your master. Therefore, you have disowned Christ. Even so, how many examples and parables of Biblical saints exist that have disowned Christ, or that have turned away from Him, but have again been found, have again become alive again? There are many examples and parables.

Committing a sin that we turn from and then continue steadfastly in our walk with God is not the same thing as deliberately living in unrepentant sin until the day you die.

Unrepentant sin is deliberate disobedience; and so, unrepentant sin is to disown Lord Jesus as the one Master of our life to follow another master – our sin vice. Therefore, we are resisting and grieving His Spirit who lives in us if we do this. In essence, those who live in any unrepentant sin have lost their Gospel Faith; they are no longer in The Faith. “Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-16” makes this clear to me and is in line with what Jesus and the other Apostles taught just as we have seen by the quoted Scriptures you and others have provided.

2 Timothy 2:10-16 (WEB)
10 Therefore I endure all things for the chosen ones’ sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 This saying is trustworthy:

“For if we died with him, we will also live with him.
12 If we endure, we will also reign with him.
If we deny him, he also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he can’t deny himself.”


14 Remind them of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they don’t argue about words, to no profit, to the subverting of those who hear.

Some Christians teach that a Christian has the Divine Nature – the Holy Spirit – and so, no true Christian can sin; rather, a true Christian is perfect and sinless just like Jesus was.

We must keep in mind the reality that partaking of the Divine Nature of God does not guarantee our faith, or that we will remain free of sin for the rest of our lives. Rather, our faithfulness in following Christ, living by His Spirit, guarantees God's power onto salvation and protection by His Spirit. The Spirit only leads us as we faithfully walk by the Spirit we received by faith...

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB)
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.”Habakkuk 2:4

1 Peter 1:5 (KJV)
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:12-13 (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

We see many warnings to the Church within the NT to repent and to remain faithful by the Apostle’s Paul, Peter, James and Jude, and by Lord Jesus in the Gospels and to the Churches in Revelations 2 and 3. Although no true Christian should sin, nor do they live in sin, this does not mean we will never sin in weakness, or that we may not succumb to sin in weakness sometime in our lives. There are many Biblical examples of this. But if we repent and continue in The Faith, God does forgive us.

The Bible is filled with examples of faithful people who fell into sin but repented, and God forgave them. King David is perhaps the most glaring example, since God forgave him of coveting, adultery, and murder, even after David experienced God's grace, power, love, and anointing.

Lord Jesus’ parables of the Lost Son (Luke 5:11-32), the Lost Sheep (Matthew 18:10-14), the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10), Confronting Sin in the Church (Matthew 18:15-18), the Unmerciful Servant (Mattew 18:21-35) and “The Lord’s Prayer” (Matthew 6:9-13) are other examples of God’s mercy for those who have strayed. Lord Jesus taught us to forgive others’ sins against us so that God may also forgive our sins.

God promises to save the Humble

I think the most important lesson you have learned from straying from God, is the lesson of humility. And God sent Jesus to save the Humble - to preach the Gospel to the humble, the crushed in Spirit, those heavy laden with sin and it shame (Luke 4:18-19; Isaiah 61:1-2; Matthew 11:4-5; Matthew 11:28).

As I see it, if indeed you have learned from this grievous lesson, which you have, then you are more lovely to God now than when you first believed, and more a beloved son than one who had never fell from grace. And you are more able to show the kind of love and forgiveness that God also desires to lavish on us.

Luke 15:11-32
11 He said, “A certain man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of your property.’ So he divided his livelihood between them.
13 Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living. 14 When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any.
17 But when he came to himself he said, ‘How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough to spare, and I’m dying with hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. 19 I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants.”’
20 “He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 21 The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let’s eat, and celebrate; 24 for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’ Then they began to celebrate.
25 “Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on. 27 He said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy.’ 28 But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this your son came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’
31 “He said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’”


Blessing Brother.
Steven

Thank you brother for taking the time to write that out, it really was helpful, my fear was as you talked about being spiritually dead to God from how I’ve lived, and from that prayers hitting the ceiling, no spirit empowered living and most importantly Gods presence and speaking voice, I did learn a valuable lesson when I was 16 I read Ecclesiastes and it changed my life I had this wisdom of life being meaningless and grevious but I was only 16 so I hadn’t walked much of life out, now I understand it from experience outside of God being our source of life and being at his expense there’s nothing worthwhile under the sun, I do believe that perhaps I am a prodigal son that went away and spent all I have, I started my walk with decent light or head understanding, being 17, on pressing on to perfection, giving God time for freedom from sins and loving God and showing it by obeying his commands by his spirit empowered living, but looking back understanding wasn’t enough I didn’t have grace because I was prideful I didn’t depend on father like a child and being defeated by my sins I subconsciously gave up(there’s no excuse for giving up on God if I had the experience I had now back then I would’ve grabbed on and never let go) God desires relationship and the be in spiritual Union with us and loves that struggle for his grace to see what we really want like the parable of the persistent widow but even now I have understanding but I struggle a lot with walking it out, living out the faith I have understanding on, a big thing is cultivating the spirits companionship and being in the will of God, thanks again brother for your message I’ve read through it a couple times and it dies make things clearer I think I just obsess over Hebrews 6 and 10 and those verses that have warnings and I get in this mindset of its over for me, but I believe in my heart God can make right the worst of mistakes if we trust him and give him time I just have to learn to be patient and trust God, build a functional faith.
 
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Thank you brother for taking the time to write that out, it really was helpful, my fear was as you talked about being spiritually dead to God from how I’ve lived, and from that prayers hitting the ceiling, no spirit empowered living and most importantly Gods presence and speaking voice, I did learn a valuable lesson when I was 16 I read Ecclesiastes and it changed my life I had this wisdom of life being meaningless and grevious but I was only 16 so I hadn’t walked much of life out, now I understand it from experience outside of God being our source of life and being at his expense there’s nothing worthwhile under the sun, I do believe that perhaps I am a prodigal son that went away and spent all I have, I started my walk with decent light or head understanding, being 17, on pressing on to perfection, giving God time for freedom from sins and loving God and showing it by obeying his commands by his spirit empowered living, but looking back understanding wasn’t enough I didn’t have grace because I was prideful I didn’t depend on father like a child and being defeated by my sins I subconsciously gave up(there’s no excuse for giving up on God if I had the experience I had now back then I would’ve grabbed on and never let go) God desires relationship and the be in spiritual Union with us and loves that struggle for his grace to see what we really want like the parable of the persistent widow but even now I have understanding but I struggle a lot with walking it out, living out the faith I have understanding on, a big thing is cultivating the spirits companionship and being in the will of God, thanks again brother for your message I’ve read through it a couple times and it dies make things clearer I think I just obsess over Hebrews 6 and 10 and those verses that have warnings and I get in this mindset of its over for me, but I believe in my heart God can make right the worst of mistakes if we trust him and give him time I just have to learn to be patient and trust God, build a functional faith.

Hi Brother Malik,

Thank you for your good reply. Regarding Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10, my understanding is that such Scriptures are referring to hypocrites, who think they can keep deliberately sinning, and that God will forgive them if they ask Him, because God is so loving and merciful. Such an attitude does not come from faith or love for God.

Even so, even hypocrites, who have come to realize their attitude as a grievous sin against God, and have been humbled, having a complete change of heart, then God, who looks on the heart and the intentions of our minds before Him will forgive, just as the parables of "the lost sheep" and the "lost son" clearly teach.

Blessings,
Steven
 
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Hello my names Malik, a bit of background on me I grew up in church but didn’t really take God serious until I was 17 I saw that the one who loves God obeys his commands so I set out to be born again which I believe I was and to learn his commands but shortly after I stopped seeking after him and was weighed down by my sins and ended up losing my attitude of fighting against it and continued living in it, fast forward a couple months after being born again I lost what little understanding I had and settled for a lowland Christianity(not consciously) fast forward 2 years later I see the errors of my ways and deeply regret how I’ve lived my life and want to walk in a deep relationship with God but I feel no conviction for sins I just know in my heart they’re wrong I have full desire to forsake all sin and want to walk with God but I’m afraid I grieved the Holy Spirit so much that it departed and will never return, I understand God forgives all sin but his kindness is not be taken advantage which I’m afraid I trampled the grace of God and I also understand people can’t confirm if the spirit is in me or not but the spirit itself testifies to our spirit we are children of God my question is how do I get it back if I can I’ll do anything to have the privilege of being a Christ follower that God has forgiven for past sins but I feel no peace of anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it

To understand Hebrews 6 you need to understand first the cross. The bible states:

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

That verse tells us that as a person lives one life, then dies, so Christ was offered once a a sacrifice for sins. A life for a life. So basically while we can see it the cross is available to us.

Now back to Hebrews 6, it says:

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

We see that the bible tells us that the person in Hebrews 6 is asking for a second sacrifice, they are recrucifying Christ, or crucifying again Jesus. But we know from Hebrews 9, that the cross covers our life time of sins. So the term fall away here refers to a person who has fallen away and died in their sins. For such a person no repentance is available, for they have no access to a second cross. It is a warning not to sin.

So for you there is hope, you are alive. It may be hard but you need to believe in the power of the cross to cover your sin, and state again with hope that you are in Christ.

Sure you need to turn from your sin, you must seek God's help to stop sinning. But you are forgiven.
 
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Thank you brother for taking the time to write that out, it really was helpful, my fear was as you talked about being spiritually dead to God from how I’ve lived, and from that prayers hitting the ceiling, no spirit empowered living and most importantly Gods presence and speaking voice, I did learn a valuable lesson when I was 16 I read Ecclesiastes and it changed my life I had this wisdom of life being meaningless and grevious but I was only 16 so I hadn’t walked much of life out, now I understand it from experience outside of God being our source of life and being at his expense there’s nothing worthwhile under the sun, I do believe that perhaps I am a prodigal son that went away and spent all I have, I started my walk with decent light or head understanding, being 17, on pressing on to perfection, giving God time for freedom from sins and loving God and showing it by obeying his commands by his spirit empowered living, but looking back understanding wasn’t enough I didn’t have grace because I was prideful I didn’t depend on father like a child and being defeated by my sins I subconsciously gave up(there’s no excuse for giving up on God if I had the experience I had now back then I would’ve grabbed on and never let go) God desires relationship and the be in spiritual Union with us and loves that struggle for his grace to see what we really want like the parable of the persistent widow but even now I have understanding but I struggle a lot with walking it out, living out the faith I have understanding on, a big thing is cultivating the spirits companionship and being in the will of God, thanks again brother for your message I’ve read through it a couple times and it dies make things clearer I think I just obsess over Hebrews 6 and 10 and those verses that have warnings and I get in this mindset of its over for me, but I believe in my heart God can make right the worst of mistakes if we trust him and give him time I just have to learn to be patient and trust God, build a functional faith.
 
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