The Coronavirus Becomes a Battle Cry for U.S. Extremists

Ana the Ist said:

I know right? Remember when they mandated everyone wear a condom when AIDS hit in the 80s?

Oh yeah....that didn't happen....

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aids isn't airborne, or a quick sentence, the point of my question is, how would those whining about their freedoms react to a disease that would kill around 250 million people, or even worse a ebola that is as deadly but spreads quicker.

Ana the Ist said:

I know right? Remember when they mandated everyone wear a condom when AIDS hit in the 80s?

Oh yeah....that didn't happen....

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The difference is that sexual contact is a (typically) voluntary activity. People aren't typically getting infected with HIV just for being in the same room as someone with it.

Aryeh Jay said:

Why? Because people have not been able to pay rent, were losing everything, and going hungry long before COVID-19 and no one cared then either.

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You are right.

From September 2019:
Income inequality in America is the highest it’s been since Census Bureau started tracking it, data shows
In the midst of the nation’s longest economic expansion, the separation between rich and poor is at a five-decade high

When people began playing armchair statistician in February and early March callously and incorrectly giving "body counts" about the emerging global pandemic trying to flippantly diminish the concerns for it that reminded me of the attitude many held when aggressively bragging about low unemployment and trying to stomp out discussions about income stagnation that made it tremendously difficult for many to stay afloat even during times of prosperity. There was a surge in the number of Americans turning to crowdfunding to pay for necessary medical expenses or to survive after being devastated by medical bills.

The housing crisis in many areas exacerbated the problem, with numerous professionals becoming "RV homeless" due to being unable to afford an apartment or house to live in. And now it's going to become so much worse. In the midst of this crisis thousands of healthcare workers are being laid off or furloughed as coronavirus spreads, many of whom were already struggling financially before the pandemic, when there needs to be a priority of taking care of those who are taking care of us.

Btw. Hi. It's Ella, I just changed my user name.

pitabread said:

Denialism is usually a result of a person's inability to come to terms with the reality of a situation. That people are denying even the "low" fatality rate of 0.5% to 1%, suggests that is still too scary for them to deal with.

I suspect that for an even deadlier disease, you'd still have people denying it for the same reason.

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You have said that before but you cannot even state how many have died from covid, vrs how many were labeled postmortem due to it being found in their system.

Want to talk about denialism? I post members of the Coronavirus task force stating they count all deaths that have even had contact with covid, or had covid in their system postmortem as a covid death. Even if it is known the individual did not die from covid. It is tallied as a covid death.

I even cited the CDC mixing deaths into the covid death count.

Cited medical examiners, medical perfessionals, etc.

So guess what I have to say about that? Denialism is usually a result of a person's inability to come to terms with the reality of a situation.

LostMarbels said:

Personally, my rights have nothing to do with a virus.

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That's very true. As this has played out, however, no rights are secure so long as the government offers just about any excuse for its actions. "Virus" is the one of the moment. Later it will be something else.

Ana the Ist said:

You realize that you got a couple of people with posters that are calling the governor a nazi (not being waved by nazis), right?

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Yes, I'm aware of the context in which the nazi symbols were used; that's why I haven't labeled those folks as being nazis. IMO, there's plenty of justification for accusing them of being over-reacting crybabies; why bother exaggerating?

But the point I was making was that it's one thing to say that the usage of the symbols was misinterpreted (which is a fair criticism) and it's another thing to say that they weren't present at all (which is just silly).

Then you have a couple of Confederate flags which don't automatically make someone a white supremacist.

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I didn't say anything about anybody being a white supremacist, either, though, since you mention it - I would say that if you're still flying one these days, then at a minimum, you're an idiot. I suspect that there's also a good chance that you have some white supremacist tendencies, whether or not you realize it. After all - what ideological point not related to white supremacy can be better made today with that flag than without it? The running theme of these protests seems to be tyranny and oppression. If one's argument is solely about government oppression, there are few demographics in this country more justified in taking up that mantle than blacks, but waving that flag is like a great big middle finger to them.

You just proved the point of everyone who disagrees with the OP.

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Uh, no. All I proved was that what @Albion wrote was demonstrably false.

Ana the Ist said:

First of all....

Ferguson riots....ermm..."protests"....

Then Baltimore...


Totally not violent extremists....they're just "venting".

If you weren't against all this...you know, actual violence and extremism...and you're complaining now, what kind of hypocritical doublethink have you been brainwashed into believing?

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It's funny. We've been on a temporary emergency lockdown for less than two months. Yes, people are out of work, and it sucks, but many businesses are still open; for the most part, rights are not being violated; and extreme measures are being undertaken (albeit with inconsistent success) to dull the pain of the lockdown. For this relatively minor inconvenience, these gun-idolizing COD extras-in-waiting have taken up arms in preparation of seeing their insurrection fantasies realized.

Compare that to the decades of real, systematic, life-altering abuse and disinvestment the black community has suffered at the hands of various governments that has resulted in only a handful of occasional flare-ups. I don't excuse the rioting - in fact, I don't really get protests of any sort. But man, how fragile are these white guys that they're up in arms, over-reacting to this degree already?

Ada Lovelace said:

You are right.

From September 2019:
Income inequality in America is the highest it’s been since Census Bureau started tracking it, data shows
In the midst of the nation’s longest economic expansion, the separation between rich and poor is at a five-decade high

When people began playing armchair statistician in February and early March callously and incorrectly giving "body counts" about the emerging global pandemic trying to flippantly diminish the concerns for it that reminded me of the attitude many held when aggressively bragging about low unemployment and trying to stomp out discussions about income stagnation that made it tremendously difficult for many to stay afloat even during times of prosperity. There was a surge in the number of Americans turning to crowdfunding to pay for necessary medical expenses or to survive after being devastated by medical bills.

The housing crisis in many areas exacerbated the problem, with numerous professionals becoming "RV homeless" due to being unable to afford an apartment or house to live in. And now it's going to become so much worse. In the midst of this crisis thousands of healthcare workers are being laid off or furloughed as coronavirus spreads, many of whom were already struggling financially before the pandemic, when there needs to be a priority of taking care of those who are taking care of us.

Btw. Hi. It's Ella, I just changed my user name.

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I know, a little bird from Canada told me.

loveofourlord said:

aids isn't airborne, or a quick sentence, the point of my question is, how would those whining about their freedoms react to a disease that would kill around 250 million people, or even worse a ebola that is as deadly but spreads quicker.

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I see...you want to know how everyone would react to a completely fictional scenario.

Great question.

LostMarbels said:

You have said that before but you cannot even state how many have died from covid, vrs how many were labeled postmortem do to it being found in their system.

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We went through all this already. I pointed out that in aggregate there are more fatalities in total than can be explained by even just the official COVID-19 stats, even if you assume that some of the official COVID-19 death stats aren't from COVID-19.

You just continue to ignore that.

So yes, you're firmly in denial. We've well established that by now.

Ana the Ist said:

I see...you want to know how everyone would react to a completely fictional scenario.

Great question.

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Well it is, because it's pertinent to the reality of this, people are acting like rights are absolute, but lets take a more realstiic scenario, we have a far more deadlier second wave of this that is comparable to spanish flu, do those people suddenly okay with shutting things down, or when 1 in 10 people die will they still protest and whine?

pitabread said:

It does when the exercising of your rights infringes on the rights of others. You don't have the right to endanger everyone else.

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There is no such thing. Thank you for your opinion, please come again.

loveofourlord said:

so while millions die a day from some insane disease you be still whining about your rights?

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Yes.

I do not need to give up my rights to contribute to a cause, or to be a meaningful, well adjusted, and responsible member of society. I can do that with my rights intact.

LostMarbels said:

There is no such thing. Thank you for your opinion, please come again.



Yes.

I do not need to give up my rights to contribute to a cause or to be a meaningful, well adjusted, and responsible member of society. I can do that with my rights intact.

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then you are insane, and don't deserve rights, you don't have the right to kill others with stupidity. Just how to look at whats happening in states lifting restrictions to see why they are required.

loveofourlord said:

then you are insane, and don't deserve rights, you don't have the right to kill others with stupidity. Just how to look at whats happening in states lifting restrictions to see why they are required.

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Let's be honest. You know you are not going to get your way and it is freaking you out. The answer is no. Do you know what that word is? No.

LostMarbels said:

Let's be honest. You know you are not going to get your way and it is freaking you out. The answer is no. Do you know what that word is? No.

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Yes it freaks me out that people are idiotic enough during a plague that would kill millions a day to whine about their rights. People like you are a danger to everyone else, you say, "Oh I would abide by them." then why are you whining, just have to look at the beaches that were closed today because people were not obeying the restrictions to see that people arn't smart enough to be left to their own.

loveofourlord said:

Yes it freaks me out that people are idiotic enough during a plague that would kill millions a day to whine about their rights. People like you are a danger to everyone else, you say, "Oh I would abide by them." then why are you whining, just have to look at the beaches that were closed today because people were not obeying the restrictions to see that people arn't smart enough to be left to their own.

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I wish you the best for your anxiety. The answer is still no. You cannot have your lockdown.

And you will find out, you will not have this lockdown. It's not happening.

loveofourlord said:

aids isn't airborne, or a quick sentence, the point of my question is, how would those whining about their freedoms react to a disease that would kill around 250 million people, or even worse a ebola that is as deadly but spreads quicker.

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That would be matter entirely...

SoldierOfTheKing said:

That would be matter entirely...

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not really it's just degree's of danger, at what point are restrictions fine?

iluvatar5150 said:

Yes, I'm aware of the context in which the nazi symbols were used; that's why I haven't labeled those folks as being nazis. IMO, there's plenty of justification for accusing them of being over-reacting crybabies; why bother exaggerating?

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Ask the OP.

But the point I was making was that it's one thing to say that the usage of the symbols was misinterpreted (which is a fair criticism) and it's another thing to say that they weren't present at all (which is just silly).

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The claim was about the presence of white supremacist extremists. It's either true, or false.

As you've shown...it's false.

I didn't say anything about anybody being a white supremacist, either, though, since you mention it - I would say that if you're still flying one these days, then at a minimum, you're an idiot.

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Ok.

I suspect that there's also a good chance that you have some white supremacist tendencies, whether or not you realize it.

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I'm sorry....that's lazy thinking and you know it.

They're either advocating for a white only ethno-state....or they aren't.

There's no halfway point.

Uh, no. All I proved was that what @Albion wrote was demonstrably false.

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By misrepresenting pictures?

It's funny. We've been on a temporary emergency lockdown for less than two months. Yes, people are out of work, and it sucks, but many businesses are still open; for the most part, rights are not being violated; and extreme measures are being undertaken (albeit with inconsistent success) to dull the pain of the lockdown. For this relatively minor inconvenience, these gun-idolizing COD extras-in-waiting have taken up arms in preparation of seeing their insurrection fantasies realized.

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Whoa...

People are permanently losing jobs and businesses. They're literally watching their wealth disappear.

I was on board when the projections were at 2-5% death rates. Now, projections are at less than 1% of all infections. That's for a disease that people can avoid by wearing a mask, washing their hands, and staying a reasonable distance from others.

Let's contrast that with HIV....which kills over a million yearly, and we just suggest people wear condoms and there's no vaccine in sight.

Compare that to the decades of real, systematic, life-altering abuse and disinvestment the black community has suffered at the hands of various governments that has resulted in only a handful of occasional flare-ups.

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Are we also counting the decades of welfare programs disproportionately appropriated by the same community?

I don't excuse the rioting - in fact, I don't really get protests of any sort. But man, how fragile are these white guys that they're up in arms, over-reacting to this degree already?

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What overreaction? They're peacefully protesting against the government destroying their livelihood. They haven't burned down city blocks, they haven't killed police, they don't show up in masks and beat liberals bloody whenever they congregate.

What exactly is the problem? People protest over imaginary problems and I see less complaints from the left.

The very notion this is about American extremism is a complete misunderstanding, untruth, or misdirection of the truth. This is about standing up against tyranny and disallowing governments the ability to continue their illegalities against their citizens.

loveofourlord said:

Well it is, because it's pertinent to the reality of this, people are acting like rights are absolute, but lets take a more realstiic scenario, we have a far more deadlier second wave of this that is comparable to spanish flu, do those people suddenly okay with shutting things down, or when 1 in 10 people die will they still protest and whine?

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How would I know?