The Olivet Discourse

Status
Not open for further replies.

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
How can the leader of the One World Govt make a treaty with the people in the holy Land until an OWG is established, or the people as described in Ezekiel 38:11-12 are there?
You are asking a question based on a term and idea that you came up with "One Word Gov't" (adapted from others).

Instead you should be asking until the ten kings and little horn are in place of the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7.

Also it is confirm the covenant for 7 years. Not make a treaty. That is another flawed interpretation that many have come up with.
______________________________________

You need to make a timeline chart of the 7 year 70th week, showing all the major events, and pre-events. My post 21. You have made 7500 posts here with no product for anyone to see how all your verbiage fits together.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
My advice to you and all Christians is; We are now at the very edge of dramatic and earth shaking events. We must stand firm in our faith, as God is watching us and will greatly reward those who keep their trust in Him, for their protection thru it all.

Knowing what God has planned; to destroy His enemies, and to bless His faithful people,
Psalms 2:1-11, is a big help toward this.
[/QUOT
About the 7th Seal lasting for 20 years - it just can't/ won't work out that way.

The 6th Seal is about the fake end of the world. The disaster you are describing (of which the sun is one facet) is what brings the antichrist to power, the disaster 'looks like the end of the world'. The antichrist is not going to last for 20 years.

In the deceived point of view, when the antichrist is 'revealed' (which starts the 6th Seal's Day of the Lord's wrath), the antichrist is posing as Christ returning (and maybe the antichrist has an antichrist and abomination that he gets to destroy). 45 days later, this false Christ will have taken over (imitating the 1290 to 1335th day).

The 'days of Noah' are a solar year (17 Iyyar to 27 Iyyar; 355 Hebrew calendar days + 10 days) which is part of the 'year of recompense'
Isaiah 34:8
For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.​

At the end of that year, the Christ figure will make the covenant that triggers the 2 witnesses.

this is the covenant with Death, which is an imitation of the covenant of peace that removes the 'wild beasts'
Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore.​

The 'setting the sanctuary' is even a reference point for Revelation 11:1-4
Keras and Tranquil,
Each of you need to make a timeline chart which has all of the 7 year 70th week major events and pre-events. Which fits together all of the interpretations you have so people can see how they fit together.
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
Keras and Tranquil,
Each of you need to make a timeline chart which has all of the 7 year 70th week major events and pre-events. Which fits together all of the interpretations you have so people can see how they fit together.
There is no need to do this.
Charts are confusing to many and don't actually explain anything.

The list of events in their proper sequence, with scriptural support and fill in details, is all that is required. After all, that is what Revelation does. As I have posted here, which has been either ignored or summarily rejected.

However, to anyone, like yourself; who already has a fixed ideas as to what God has planned, then no matter how true and accurate a timeline is, you won't be able to see it. Isaiah 29:9-12
 
Upvote 0

tranquil

Newbie
Sep 29, 2011
1,377
158
with Charlie at the Chocolate Factory
✟273,448.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Keras and Tranquil,
Each of you need to make a timeline chart which has all of the 7 year 70th week major events and pre-events. Which fits together all of the interpretations you have so people can see how they fit together.
Doug, it couldn't be simpler, I have tried my best, but I will try again.

Matthew 24
4And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
These are the 5 seals in Revelation. We are in the Seals now. Whether one interprets the Seals as having started since 30 AD or as a 9 month period of 'birth pains', either way, it doesn't really matter. The Seals are going on now.

There simply is nothing to hang one's hat on here in the Seals material. The antichrist is not revealed yet. Wars, martyrdoms, famines, false christs have been happening for 2000 years. There just isn't anything to say about these items. Until the 'end comes'.

15So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
The thing that you won't accept, that messes up your understanding is in not seeing verse 23 above:

The abomination comes, then the great tribulation stops...

Why do the people of Judea flee?

Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

[...]
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
Are people getting 'raptured' here? No!

Does this scenario sound familiar? It should, it's basically the same as this passage from Revelation 18

4Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,

lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others,
and repay her double for her deeds;
mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.

7 As she glorified herself and lived in luxury,
so give her a like measure of torment and mourning,
since in her heart she says,
‘I sit as a queen,
I am no widow,
and mourning I shall never see.’
8For this reason her plagues will come in a single day,
death and mourning and famine,
and she will be burned up with fire;
for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her.”​

The 'day of the Lord' arrives at the 6th Seal (Revelation 6:12-17) when the man of sin is revealed. How is he 'revealed'?

2 thess 2
3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Now do you see why Daniel 9:26 says
The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.

"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
The coming prince: destroys the city (1st Trumpet) destroys the sanctuary (6th Trumpet), the wars continue until he makes the firm covenant (start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days).

There is more than one 'coming prince': there are 2 maybe 3. The Daniel 8 little horn is not the same as the Daniel 7 little horn. The Dan 8 little horn stops the sacrifices, but the Daniel 7 little horn oppresses the saints and is a blasphemer.

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Why are the elect being gathered? They were faithful when the city said, let's go worship other gods. See Deuteronomy 13:17-18 above.

It is probably such that the Daniel 8 little horn stops the sacrifices on Dec 21, 2020 (again, all that is is a run down of Daniel 9:2's 70 years, then 70 weeks (Daniel 9:24), then 7 weeks (Daniel 9:25), then 62 weeks (Daniel 9:25), then 3.5 days is the abomination idol that stops the sacrifices. That's the start of the 'day of the Lord's wrath' that starts when the man of sin is revealed: The Daniel 8 little horn stops the sacrifices, but the Daniel 7 little horn is opposing himself against this object of worship. The Daniel 7 little horn destroys Mystery Babylon that housed the abomination.

That is how the elect are potentially deceived. That is the false christ that is arising at Matthew 24:23 after the abomination has shown up in Matthew 24:15. That false christ opposed the abomination on Dec 21, 2020.

That false christ is 'destroying the city' and the 'sanctuary' - because that is where the abomination was. See Deuteronomy 13:12-15 again. He destroys the city at the 1st Trumpet (Feb 4, 2021).

That is why there are 2 gatherings (at the 7th Seal & at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days): the 'savior' of the Daniel 8 little horn abomination event turns out to be a bad guy: he destroys the city where the abomination was, then destroys its sanctuary (July 4, 2021), then makes a covenant (Nov 27, 2021), then breaks it 3.5 years later.
 
Upvote 0

tranquil

Newbie
Sep 29, 2011
1,377
158
with Charlie at the Chocolate Factory
✟273,448.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
There is no need to do this.
Charts are confusing to many and don't actually explain anything.

The list of events in their proper sequence, with scriptural support and fill in details, is all that is required. After all, that is what Revelation does. As I have posted here, which has been either ignored or summarily rejected.

However, to anyone, like yourself; who already has a fixed ideas as to what God has planned, then no matter how true and accurate a timeline is, you won't be able to see it. Isaiah 29:9-12

Beluah(?) will not/ should not make a treaty with the one world government

Exodus 34
10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices.

by making a treaty with the one world government, it would become a snare for Christians.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
There is no need to do this.
Charts are confusing to many and don't actually explain anything.
Timeline charts are like maps - that show how the cities and towns are connected.

Supposed someone gave you a list of all of the cities and towns in the United States and a series of statements that verbally say city A to town B is 50 miles north, and from city A to town C is 25 miles south, and from city A to town D is 15 miles, And town B is connected to D town B by a road that goes through E.

See what jumbled mess that would be? A roadmap though puts it all together, of how the parts fit together. That's what you and Tranquil are missing.
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
by making a treaty with the one world government, it would become a snare for Christians.
Right; Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to this treaty between the new nation of Beulah and the leader of the OWG. They will be punished for it. Daniel 11:32-35
Timeline charts are like maps - that show how the cities and towns are connected.
As a retired builder, I know very well how to draw and read plans. They give the sizes and construction shapes. But what is also needed is the Specification, which sets out the details and the standards required.
With your chart, as soon as I saw that you had misplaced the Sixth Seal, I just rejected all of it.
You do realize, or you should; that to move around the given sequence of Revelation, constitutes a taking away or adding to, that Book?

I post again a sequence of the end time events. I have yet to have any comments, good or bad on it.

Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3 It will be the Sixth Seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Revelation 6:12-17 A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap, from the Sixth Seal, until the Return of Jesus.

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christians, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.

The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7
 
Upvote 0

Inkfingers

Somebody's heretic
Site Supporter
May 17, 2014
5,638
1,548
✟160,762.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
As I said; the Jews are represented by the fig tree. Jeremiah 24:1-10

I asked specifically if you see them mentioned in Revelation (and if so, where).

This shows your lack of knowledge of Bible prophecy.

No, it shows that I hate the idea of living in a desert country.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
As a retired builder, I know very well how to draw and read plans. They give the sizes and construction shapes. But what is also needed is the Specification, which sets out the details and the standards required.
I agree with the principle. As a retired engineer, I used to prepare specifications and the project drawings that go with them.

You are missing half the package.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3 It will be the Sixth Seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Revelation 6:12-17 A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap, from the Sixth Seal, until the Return of Jesus.

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christians, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.

The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7
Put all of the events on timeline chart of events during the 7 year, 70th week, pre and post. And show the abomination of desolation, timeframes of Daniel 12:11-12 of the 1290 days and 1335 days.
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
I asked specifically if you see them mentioned in Revelation (and if so, where).
The Jews are not mentioned except as the 12,000 from the tribes of Judah and 12,000 from Benjamin.
Revelation tells the end times story of God's holy people, Rev 13:7, who are people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Every faithful Christian.
No, it shows that I hate the idea of living in a desert country.
But the holy Land won't be a desert, the Lord will send rain and it will be a garden land. Isaiah 44:3, +
When I was in Jordan, I went out to a desert 'farm', with an American agriculturist who said, as he ran the dry soil thru his fingers; All this place needs is rain and it will become a jungle!
 
Upvote 0

Inkfingers

Somebody's heretic
Site Supporter
May 17, 2014
5,638
1,548
✟160,762.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
The Jews are not mentioned except as the 12,000 from the tribes of Judah and 12,000 from Benjamin.
Revelation tells the end times story of God's holy people, Rev 13:7, who are people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Every faithful Christian.

It also tells the story of other people (you can hardly call Babylon "God's holy people", for example).

So secular zionist temple-less Israel is not mentioned ANYWHERE in Revelation?

But the holy Land won't be a desert, the Lord will send rain and it will be a garden land. Isaiah 44:3, +
When I was in Jordan, I went out to a desert 'farm', with an American agriculturist who said, as he ran the dry soil thru his fingers; All this place needs is rain and it will become a jungle!

It would still be hot, so no thanks.
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
Put all of the events on timeline chart of events during the 7 year, 70th week, pre and post. And show the abomination of desolation, timeframes of Daniel 12:11-12 of the 1290 days and 1335 days.
The way I have described it is best, because we don't know the dates and the only time period is the final 7 years.
The mid point of that 7 years is when the Anti-Christ will conquer the Christian people and desecrate the Temple. From that point, there will be 1260 days until Jesus Returns. Revelation 12:6
The 1290 days, 30 days after the Return; is for the Judging of the nations and for the rewarding of His people.
The 1335 days since the Temple was desecrated, and 75 days after the Return, is for cleansing and rededication the Temple.
Proved, by it being 75 days from the Day of Atonement and Hanukkah.
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
It also tells the story of other people (you can hardly call Babylon "God's holy people", for example).

So secular zionist temple-less Israel is not mentioned ANYWHERE in Revelation?



It would still be hot, so no thanks.
Sure, 'Babylon' gets its comeuppance. Babylon is used as a metaphor for the ungodly peoples.
The Jewish Israel there now will be gone after the Lords Day of fiery wrath. Zephaniah 1:14-18
The new temple will be dedicated to God and His glory will reside in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4

Hot? Actually the holy Land has a good climate, it does snow in winter, maybe too warm in summer, but with the regeneration of the flora, that will even out the temperatures.
We Christians will be there, it is our destiny and great privilege. 1 Corinthians 2:7
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
The way I have described it is best, because we don't know the dates and the only time period is the final 7 years.
I don't have dates on my timeline chart and it is not necessary.

There are time periods given for 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335 days, 3 1/2 days, a time, times, half time. In addition to the 7 year 70th week.

The mid point of that 7 years is when the Anti-Christ will conquer the Christian people and desecrate the Temple. From that point, there will be 1260 days until Jesus Returns. Revelation 12:6
You are making general statements. Differently the bible gives specific day timeframes regarding the 1290 days and 1335 day relevant to the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel 12:11-12.

Antichrist desecrates the temple, what does that mean - Transgression of Desolation? Or Abomination of Desolation?

The 1290 days, 30 days after the Return; is for the Judging of the nations and for the rewarding of His people.
1290 days from when? Put it on a chart. You are using an ambiguous term of "Desecrating the temple" - you need to be more specific. Transgression of Desolation? or Abomination of Desolation.

The 1335 days since the Temple was desecrated, and 75 days after the Return, is for cleansing and rededication the Temple.
Proved, by it being 75 days from the Day of Atonement and Hanukkah.
What term is in the translation you are using for Daniel 12:11-12? Desecration or Abomination of Desolation ?

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Where are you getting an rededicating the temple, from what bible end times text?

Day of Atonement and Hannukkah are at certain times of the year.
But you said no dates known. And you are extending the 1335 days beyond the 7 year 70th week.

You need to make a timeline chart - so all those flaws in your interpretation(s) show up. So you can start rethinking and correcting your view.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
@ keras, you say you were a builder. Let's take a house.

Before the roof can be built - the walls must be built - and before the walls are built, the foundation must be built.

In engineering, that would be an example of determining the "critical path" in the critical path method in engineering to accomplish a project.

On my timeline chart, the red line is the critical path.

It is basically built on "what has to happen before an event takes place". Beginning at the end, the completion of the 7 years. And working back to the beginning...to meet the events at the start.

I am going to give you one example that you need to consider. The image of the beast, the abomination of desolation that is setup in Daniel 12:11-12 (the 1290 days and the 1335 days). It says in Revelation 13...

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

What is that telling you? It should be telling you that the person has been killed and come back to life, before the false prophet telling the people of the world to make an image of the person.

So the next question should be why was he killed and is there any text in the bible that would fit the why and also who kills him and the circumstances?

The answer is yes, Ezekiel 28:1-10, because the person "sits" in the seat of God claiming to be God. And God has him killed by strangers.

So those events have to be before the AoD image of the (slain and come back to life) beast is placed in temple.

Working back from the end, day 2520 on the timeline, the day Jesus's returns... 1335 days, places the AoD setup in the temple on day 1185 on the timeline.

That's the critical path method. On my chart, the red line is the critical path. I made my chart in stair step configuration, because the straight horizontal line configuration does not leave room for making all of the necessary notations for each event on a chart otherwise, and still be presentable in a post.

You need to construct a timeline chart featuring the critical path.

 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
upload_2020-5-4_7-30-42.jpeg
 
Upvote 0

keras

Writer of studies on Bible prophecy
Feb 7, 2013
13,703
2,492
82
Thames, New Zealand
Visit site
✟293,697.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
You need to construct a timeline chart featuring the critical path.
You know what Douggg?
You are a hopeless recidivist, you splash your 'chart' over many forums and think people agree with it.
I won't do as you want, because you wouldn't agree with it anyway. It would just be like Jesus said in Matthew 7:6
My end times sequence, #48, is a much more comprehensible list, complete with scriptural support.
The best I can hope for, is that others will read it and get some picture of what the Lord has planned for our future.

Re; the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel and the 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years of Rev; They all commence at the mid point of the final 7 years, when the AC sits in the Temple, causing the Abomination, etc. All the same thing, as Paul says in 2 Thess 2:4.

Here is another simple, easily read list of the end times events, with ample scriptural support:
What WILL happen:
This is the situation today.
The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2
They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2
They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14

Soon to happen:
At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5, , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the EMP hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zephiniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

He will judge the nations, the wicked will die - Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jer. 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:15

At the mid point he will break it and conquer Beulah -Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2-

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4

The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

There are plenty more prophesies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not; up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Re; the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel and the 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years of Rev; They all commence at the mid point of the final 7 years, when the AC sits in the Temple, causing the Abomination, etc.
They all cannot start at the mid-point and be within the 7 year 70th week.
Here is another simple, easily read list of the end times events, with ample scriptural support:
I don't see anything on your list of the person having been killed and come back to life, nor why.

Who the false prophet has the world make an image of.

I don't see anything on your list of the world worshiping that person.
Nor his image.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.