LDS Mormon Teachings About Hell

Jamesone5 said:

I believe in the Bible as well.
But, it is your INTERPRETATION, I do not agree with

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What interpretation? I just posted what He said.

He is the way said:

What interpretation? I just posted what He said.

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You and Joseph Smith sure go "south" on your interpretations.

Jamesone5 said:

You ACCEPTED it from JS and to be a good Mormon you must agree.

I am still laughing at this one, because you said it all as to what Mormons really believe

Jesus did reveal many things and gave us the higher law. Joseph Smith also revealed many things as does our present prophet Russell M. Nelson. All of the prophets have helped us through blessings and warnings----he is the Way.

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Laughing is an interesting word for such an important scripture and doctrine.

I pray that you would tell us your interpretation of John 17:21-23
John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Our interpretation is that those who believe in the words of the apostles, that we can be "one, as God and Jesus are one", in that we become united so closely, it is as though we are 1 person working in perfect unity and purpose to bring all men into the kingdom of God.

It is the same with the Godhead, they are united so closely, it is as though they are 1 God, working in perfect unity and purpose to bring all men into the kingdom of God.

Your challenge is to interpret this scripture with the Trinity in mind. How do we, who believe in the apostles words become "one, as God and Jesus are one"? Remember, we believe that God and Jesus are one, a little differently than you do, and our interpretation fits perfectly with this scripture.

So go ahead now and interpret this scripture based on the Trinity concept. I look forward to your interpretation.

Peter1000 said:

Laughing is an interesting word for such an important scripture and doctrine.

I pray that you would tell us your interpretation of John 17:21-23
John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Our interpretation is that those who believe in the words of the apostles, that we can be "one, as God and Jesus are one", in that we become united so closely, it is as though we are 1 person working in perfect unity and purpose to bring all men into the kingdom of God.

It is the same with the Godhead, they are united so closely, it is as though they are 1 God, working in perfect unity and purpose to bring all men into the kingdom of God.

Your challenge is to interpret this scripture with the Trinity in mind. How do we, who believe in the apostles words become "one, as God and Jesus are one"? Remember, we believe that God and Jesus are one, a little differently than you do, and our interpretation fits perfectly with this scripture.

So go ahead now and interpret this scripture based on the Trinity concept. I look forward to your interpretation.

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Take it real slow and maybe you will understand where you got it wrong

thou, Father art in me and I in thee

That IS an established fact. And, "they also may be one is us".----That is not an established fact.

No trinity about it at all, because the Holy Spirit is absent in HIs Words.-

One is an established fact, the other is not.


And your interpretation differs with the majority of Christianity.

Jamesone5 said:

Take it real slow and maybe you will understand where you got it wrong

John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
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thou, Father art in me and I in thee

That IS an established fact. And, "they also may be one is us".----That is not an established fact.

No trinity about it at all, because the Holy Spirit is absent in HIs Words.-

One is an established fact, the other is not.


And your interpretation differs with the majority of Christianity.

But then, you have your false prophet telling you it means something else.​

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Of course one is NOT an established fact. There are goats among the sheep. Those who do not keep the commandments of LOVE are NOT going to be one with them:

(New Testament | Romans 12:4 - 5)

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 6:14 - 20)

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

He is the way said:

Of course one is NOT an established fact. There are goats among the sheep. Those who do not keep the commandments of LOVE are NOT going to be one with them:

(New Testament | Romans 12:4 - 5)

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 6:14 - 20)

14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

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I see, you wish not to argue this verse further now that you agree with the one established fact?

John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
thou, Father art in me and I in thee



No trinity about it at all, because the Holy Spirit is absent in HIs Words.-

Jamesone5 said:

I see, you wish not to argue this verse further now that you agree with the one established fact?

John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
thou, Father art in me and I in thee



No trinity about it at all, because the Holy Spirit is absent in HIs Words.-

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The word Trinity is NOT found in the Bible. In these verses Jesus is telling us how He and the Father are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

From these verses we learn that Jesus and the Father are one in glory and perfection.

He is the way said:

The word Trinity is NOT found in the Bible. In these verses Jesus is telling us how He and the Father are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

From these verses we learn that Jesus and the Father are one in glory and perfection.

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thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

You do not seem to get it do you?

Not only in glory and perfection but they are One as in One
God.

But what do you expect with a false prophet telling you how that all works out?

Jamesone5 said:

thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

You do not seem to get it do you?

Not only in glory and perfection but they are One as in One
God.

But what do you expect with a false prophet telling you how that all works out?

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Jesus is praying that his followers will know the literal unity he has with Heavenly Father.

That rather complicates the typical presentation of the Trinity that I at least have been shown over the decades, and generally leads the people I deal with trying to argue a metaphorical unity is somehow the same as a literal unity.

Ironhold said:

Jesus is praying that his followers will know the literal unity he has with Heavenly Father.

That rather complicates the typical presentation of the Trinity that I at least have been shown over the decades, and generally leads the people I deal with trying to argue a metaphorical unity is somehow the same as a literal unity.

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HiTW was talking about the Trinity---not I.

You barg into the discussion and have no idea what was talked about and what was not and who said what.

Either Jesus Christ is a part of the One God, or He is not as Mormons are led to believe by their false prophet.

Jamesone5 said:

You barg into the discussion

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This is how discussions work on the internet: if it's not an explicitly private discussion, such as through private messaging, then anyone and everyone can hop on board.

That being said...

Do you have a response for what I posted?

Jamesone5 said:

Take it real slow and maybe you will understand where you got it wrong

John 17:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
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thou, Father art in me and I in thee

That IS an established fact. And, "they also may be one is us".----That is not an established fact.

No trinity about it at all, because the Holy Spirit is absent in HIs Words.-

One is an established fact, the other is not.


And your interpretation differs with the majority of Christianity.

But then, you have your false prophet telling you it means something else.​

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You missed the important question I asked:
How do we become one, as God and Jesus are one?
as it states:
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,

How can we all be one, as Jesus and God are one (which you say is an established fact). OK, I will agree with you for now. There are 3 distinct persons in 1 God. That is how they are one.

Now in order for the people who believe in the apostles words to be one like that is to have a conglomeration of milions of distinct persons in 1 big person. Prove me wrong.

Jamesone5 said:

thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

You do not seem to get it do you?

Not only in glory and perfection but they are One as in One
God.

But what do you expect with a false prophet telling you how that all works out?

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I will give you that what you think is an established fact, that Jesus and God are One ,as in One God.

So if the people want to be one like they are one, all
the people have to be somehow smushed into ONE person, like you say. Right?

Forget JS is a false or true prophet, we are accepting what you are saying
You are saying 3 in 1 God. Must mean that there is millions in 1 person.

Are you listening to a false spirit?

Peter1000 said:

You missed the important question I asked:
How do we become one, as God and Jesus are one?
as it states:
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,

How can we all be one, as Jesus and God are one (which you say is an established fact). OK, I will agree with you for now. There are 3 distinct persons in 1 God. That is how they are one.

Now in order for the people who believe in the apostles words to be one like that is to have a conglomeration of milions of distinct persons in 1 big person. Prove me wrong.

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You are already wrong in that you quoted the verse wrong. Here is what your obvious rewrite of the Bible says:

Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Peter1000 said:

I will give you that what you think is an established fact, that Jesus and God are One ,as in One God.

So if the people want to be one like they are one, all
the people have to be somehow smushed into ONE person, like you say. Right?

Forget JS is a false or true prophet, we are accepting what you are saying
You are saying 3 in 1 God. Must mean that there is millions in 1 person.

Are you listening to a false spirit?

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YOu said: somehow smushed into ONE person

Someone is listening to false spirit and it is not me.

Ironhold said:

This is how discussions work on the internet: if it's not an explicitly private discussion, such as through private messaging, then anyone and everyone can hop on board.

That being said...

Do you have a response for what I posted?

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Did you ask me something?
All I read here is a complaint.

Jamesone5 said:

thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

You do not seem to get it do you?

Not only in glory and perfection but they are One as in One
God.

But what do you expect with a false prophet telling you how that all works out?

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I believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible and I have hope of being one with them That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us

Besides this we HAVE one God and one Lord:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

The Father is also the God and Father of Jesus.

Jamesone5 said:

Did you ask me something?
All I read here is a complaint.

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Since you have not answered my original question, I'll take that as a "no".

Ironhold said:

Since you have not answered my original question, I'll take that as a "no".

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Do not see a question anywhere in the post your referencing. Just a bunch of stuff about metaphorical unity and literal unity.

You have to add one of these----{?}

And I did answer to your post.
Do pay attention.

He is the way said:

I believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible and I have hope of being one with them That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us

Besides this we HAVE one God and one Lord:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

The Father is also the God and Father of Jesus.

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We have been over your literal interpretation versus the actual figurative definitions of "Father" before and you have not convinced me

You got anything new that I can actually search through the
Bible for?