LDS James 1:5
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Not only I, but Jesus did as well. It seems you have difficulty separating the individual from the group. There were Jews and Samaritans who followed Christ and later were referred to as Christians. There were Jews and Samaritans who rejected Christ and remained Jews and Samaritans. Accepting Christ is an individual choice. You can't just make general statements about a group of people like that.
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Reference needed. Here is one that seems to disagree:
(New Testament | James 2:22)
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
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God the Father is our Father and God. I believe in the God of the Bible who is also the God and Father of Jesus Christ. The Father is the God of the Bible but not the god of the Nicene Creed.:
(New Testament | John 20:17)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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Lord is a title and has been translated as sir, see John 4:11. Jesus was not the only one referred to as lord. It is very doubtful the centurion recognized Jesus as the Christ. There is no mention of the centurion worshiping Jesus in the Bible. Jesus was also called master and Rabbi.
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I believe that it does take faith to be healed. When people doubt or will not believe they have little faith:
(New Testament | Mark 6:1 - 6)
1 AND he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
Jesus had become quite famous because of His power to heal. The centurion must have heard of His ability to heal and he believed. He must have believed so strongly that he decided that Jesus could heal his servant without even going to him:
(New Testament | Matthew 8:13)
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.
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It says right in the Bible itself.
The centurion was a leader of men. If he told a soldier to go do something, that soldier went and did it.
Given that he had authority over men and so was obeyed, he reasoned that if Jesus was indeed a man who had authority over all things, he merely had to speak and it would be done. Thus, there was no need for Jesus to actually come to the centurion's house.
The fact that the centurion reasoned Jesus could pronounce healing on a man some distance away and it would happen was a rather astounding concept, and did in fact represent him having a type of faith, even if only faith in Jesus' authority.
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Yes, you should read your Bible. "only faith in Jesus' authority"?? Puh-lease...
This episode is recorded in both Matthew 8 and Luke 7. Luke 7 says that Jewish elders approached Jesus to have him heal the centurion's servant and that the centurion "loves our nation and has built our synagogue” (v. 5). This is more than just a typical pagan Roman soldier; this is one who loves the Jewish nation, similar to Cornelius in Acts 10 ("a righteous and God-fearing man", Acts 10:22)
In addition, in Matthew 8:11, Jesus says "many will come from the east and west" and be in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus' message of the kingdom of heaven has no bounds. John 3:16 famously says that "whoever believes" will have eternal life. Jesus affirms this belief in Matthew 8:13 "just as you believed".
There is no reason to believe that the Matthew 8 / Luke 7 centurion was not saved.
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It is a teaching in your church. So why are you giving me such a hard time.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I have had a witness from the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Christ.
From that experience, I have an active faith that Jesus is the Christ.
According to your teachings, I am saved, and cannot be taken out of the hand of Jesus at this point.
I shall have eternal life. So why so much animosity? You should be telling me that you are glad that I am saved and that God is with me and is moving me and will not abandon me ever. We should be the dearest friends in Jesus.
What is it to you if I feel the need to do good works for Jesus? Why should that bother you?
You should be glad that I wish to do good works for Jesus. Is it not a good thing to heal the sick and visit the widow and cloth the naked, and feed the hungry and visit those in prison, like the good sheep do?
Since I believe and have faith in Jesus and I am saved, according to you, why do we bash about good works? You should be happy for me, I should be happy for you
The only reason that we talk about good works is because of what Jesus said. For those who are saved and become a new person in Jesus, they will do the good works that Jesus has before ordained them to walk in (IOW to do). We feel like if you are saved you will do the good works that Jesus wants you to do. That is a good thing. And so we do them to help Jesus.
I am sure you do to. So keep up the good works.
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The sheep are His. If you are a sheep you won't follow a false prophet or preach a false gospel. i've given you truth. Why do you call "the truth a hard time?"
Have you received the Second Annointing? Even that does't guarantee eternal life/godhood in Mormonism.
I have no animosity towards you.
I should not tell you or anyone else lies.
It is useless if you are already condemned. The works of Mormonism don't bring glory to God.
The sheep follow the Good Shepherd. Non-Christians don't. BTW, do yo think some of His sheep are not good?
Excuse me! The Mormon bishop yelled at me when I told him I was leaving Mormonism. He was very rude. The letter your church sent me was also rude.
No, you are attempting to promote good works to people who are doing them. But if a person joins your church you will give him more commandments of a false prophet.
Oh, I see that you have been paying attention. So you think that by repeating what we tell you, you can fool others into thinking you are like us. That is deception.
How you feel opposes Mormon teachings.
Our Jesus doesn't need your help. Your jesus leads people astray.
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In all reality, you have no idea if JS is really a false prophet or not. God has had prophets throughout all of the history of the earth, he has them today too. Where are your apostles and prophets, as the bible considers them the foundation of the true church?
I really feel like you would not be able to recognize a true prophet today if you met him face to face.
Set aside Mormonism. According to your church I am saved. I believe in Jesus and that belief was confirmed by the Holy Spirit. This saves me in the kingdom of God right now without having to do another thing, and nobody can snatch me out of the hand of Jesus. You teach it, let it apply equally to everybody, otherwise you have to go hardline Calvinism, where he teaches that God chooses his sheep at his will and everyone else is lost, and you don't even know you are chosen or lost.
The works of Mormonism are exactly the same works of anyone who has a testimony of Jesus Christ. Mormonism goes one step further and does work for the billions of dead, to give them too an opportunity to be saved as men in the flesh are saved.
We believe in Galatians 6:2 and we believe in Matthew 25:32-46
Like I say, put Mormonism aside, I am saved, per your qualifications, not by mine, but my yours. Thank you.
This is the doctrine of Christ per the Church of Jesus Christ:
Tell me what is non-biblical?
1) believe in Jesus.
2) repent
3) be baptized
4) receive the gift of the Holy Spirit
5) keep the commandments, and do what Jesus has before ordained for you to do.
6) endure to the end.
That is awfully assumptive for you to actually say outloud. Our Jesus (which is your Jesus too)
leads people to him. Everything this church does is centered in Jesus Christ.
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The TRUE church doesn't pile a foundation on top of the foundation. The TRUE church didn't crumble!
Feelings can deceive.
Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Joseph Smith was deceived and he himself claimed to be a prophet. False prophets don't follow the TRUE Christ.
The type of faith you are are alluding to is of Satan. It is dead.
Do you assume that the TRUE God's will is of Satan? It isn't of Joseph Smith nor is it of any man nor is it of Satan. The sheep accept His will and trust Him.
I've read your church's false teachings. I've read your New Testament Seminary Teacher Resource Manual! It is NOT inspired by the TRUE Holy Ghost; it is designed to lead people away from God!
I did not write the qualifications for eternal life; they are not my qualifications.
John 3
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Your Jesus was invented by Joseph Smith!
To be continued....
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