Flat Earth? Not Far From The Truth.

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
Typical.

When you tell them the truth alone, they say you lack proof and hold on to ignorance.

When you appear scripturally grounded and present them undeniable proof, they say you belittle them.

By their fruits you shall know them, but I'm not required to be nice in my approach.
Nice is not a fruit of the Spirit. Sorry.

The truth is often filled with hard words which are hard to accept. And in its pure, undiluted form cannot be sugar-coated.

Jesus in knowing this, said in Luke 7:23,

"And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me." (NKJV)

Your opinion. Misguided, I'll add.

Isn't it self explanatory?

The pointlessness of superficial desires.

Double down on bad behavior and avoid answering questions, got it. Tell me, how many people have you helped with this attitude? How have you brought glory to God?

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

Paul4JC said:
Yet the canon says in Jude "Enoch prophesied." but let's cut that Bible verse out, cause it's not canon.

If many understood the system of deception in place and read these writings in question, they'd understand why they were taken out of scriptures.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

topher694 said:
Double down on bad behavior and avoid answering questions, got it. Tell me, how many people have you helped with this attitude? How have you brought glory to God?

On such (or any) issues, I answer to God, not you. Sorry.

Why don't we wait until judgement to find out, shall we?

Tinker Grey · May 3, 2020

Paul4JC said:
Yet the canon says in Jude "Enoch prophesied." but let's cut that Bible verse out, cause it's not canon.

The book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. If "Jude" was referring to Enoch from Genesis, he was not referring the Pseudepigraphal work of "Enoch".

What Are the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha? (Enoch, Jubilees) by Don Stewart

For example, the Book of Enoch, the Apocalypse of Baruch, and IV Ezra are pseudepigraphs. We know that Enoch, Baruch, and Ezra were not the authors of these works.

*Emphasis added*

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
If I had to explain that, then I would have to question your faith.

Oh wait...

Messenger 3k said:
Seeing as you can't understand basic scriptures as this

Messenger 3k said:
How do I explain faith to the faithless? Impossible

Messenger 3k said:
Another pointless regurgitation of overly heard words that head nowhere; bereft of applying one's own mind to one's surrounding. Zero prior thought, critical thinking thrown out the window.

All awful and unkind things to say to people, ESPECIALLY fellow believers. Tell me why should ANYONE listen to anything you have to say about the Bible when you can't follow the most basic tenants that Jesus taught about how we are to treat others and even go so far as to excuse yourself from doing so?

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

Tinker Grey said:
The book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. If "Jude" was referring to Enoch from Genesis, he was not referring the Pseudepigraphal work of "Enoch".

What Are the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha? (Enoch, Jubilees) by Don Stewart
*Emphasis added*

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Paul4JC · May 3, 2020

Tinker Grey said:
The book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. If "Jude" was referring to Enoch from Genesis, he was not referring the Pseudepigraphal work of "Enoch".

What Are the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha? (Enoch, Jubilees) by Don Stewart
*Emphasis added*

1 Enoch 1:9 Look, he comes with the myriads of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all humanity for all the wicked deeds that they have done, and the proud and hard words that wicked sinners spoke against him.

Nickelsburg, George W.E.. 1 Enoch (pp. 20-21). Fortress Press.

Jude
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
On such (or any) issues, I answer to God, not you. Sorry.

Why don't we wait until judgement to find out, shall we?

The good new is Jesus gave is a way to know now, and you've failed miserably. But at least you made it abundantly clear to everyone reading.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

topher694 said:
All awful and unkind things to say to people, ESPECIALLY fellow believers.

Do not be hypocritical. There's an atheist lurking around in this thread. His was the first and third comment to which you highlighted my response. If you want to be concerned about anyone in a Christian forum, start there. Or focus on the subject at hand. For the rest, I merely spoke the truth.

topher694 said:
Tell me why should ANYONE listen to anything you have to say about the Bible

Lol. Who said anything about having to listen to me? Do you also have to listen to Jesus?

You have your freewill.

I feel like these are things you nitpick on when you have zero concrete scriptures to back up an erroneous claim.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

topher694 said:
The good new is Jesus gave is a way to know now, and you've failed miserably. But at least you made it abundantly clear to everyone reading.

You're trying too hard.

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
You're trying too hard.

Now that's rich

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
Do not be hypocritical. There's an atheist lurking around in this thread. His was the first and third comment to which you highlighted my response. If you want to be concerned about anyone in a Christian forum, start there. Or focus on the subject at hand. For the rest, I merely spoke the truth.

Lol. Who said anything about having to listen to me? Do you also have to listen to Jesus?

You have your freewill.

I feel like these are things you nitpick on when you have zero concrete scriptures to back up an erroneous claim.

Oh yeah, now I remember the time Jesus said to love your neighbor... Unless he is an atheist.

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
You're trying too hard.

How many people have you helped with this? How many have been saved? How many families restored? Anything?

A_Thinker · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
You seem to be missing my point.

Explain how the sun hurries (key-word) back to the east on a ball earth.

It doesn't HURRY back to the EAST ... so there's nothing to explain ...

Tinker Grey · May 3, 2020

Paul4JC said:
1 Enoch 1:9 Look, he comes with the myriads of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all humanity for all the wicked deeds that they have done, and the proud and hard words that wicked sinners spoke against him.

Nickelsburg, George W.E.. 1 Enoch (pp. 20-21). Fortress Press.

Jude
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Was he quoting the book of Enoch, or does Jude and the book of Enoch quote a common source?

From a Christian website: Did Jude Quote from the Book of Enoch?

No one can prove, therefore, that Jude’s text was taken from the “Book of Enoch.”

Further, it is likely that the quotation in the Book of Enoch reflects the echo of an ancient tradition that has its roots in the events of the Patriarchal period and that the inspiration of Jude, and the tradition of the Book of Enoch, merely merge at this juncture.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

topher694 said:
Oh yeah, now I remember the time Jesus said to love your neighbor... Unless he is an atheist.

Yes, and I remember clearly saying I hated anyone.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

topher694 said:
How many people have you helped with this? How many have been saved? How many families restored? Anything?

A sizable number, I hope. Especially given the unimportant message at the end and in the description of the video.

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
Yes, and I remember clearly saying I hated anyone.

I didn't say anything about hate either.

Messenger 3k · May 3, 2020

A_Thinker said:
It doesn't HURRY back to the EAST ... so there's nothing to explain ...

BREAKING NEWS!!!

"Man shows up from nowhere and says bible is wrong."

This rare event happens once in a lifetime...

topher694 · May 3, 2020

Messenger 3k said:
A sizable number, I hope. Especially given the unimportant message at the end and in the description of the video.

I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking about you.

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