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Ever seen any questions on Creation that you as an Adventist were prepared to answer?

Like... "where did all the jagged edges come from on high mountain peaks"?

One aboriginal myth is that the mountains were cast up by "the writhing of a giant snake".
 
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Ever seen any questions on Creation that you as an Adventist were prepared to answer?

Like... "where did all the jagged edges come from on high mountain peaks"?
Do the SDA have different teachings regarding the creation?
 
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Do the SDA have different teachings regarding the creation?

They are pretty straight down the line when it comes to a literal 7 day creation week with all three persons of the Triune Godhead involved.

But we try to stick with the text when it comes to day 4 and "Two great lights" created vs .. "a zillion and two" . Some Creationists will argue that all of the universe was created 3 days after creation week for Earth which is not strictly called for given that day 4 in Genesis 1 - claims only two lights are created.. the Sun and the Moon.
 
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Ever seen any questions on Creation that you as an Adventist were prepared to answer?

Like... "where did all the jagged edges come from on high mountain peaks"?

John 1:3

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All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

6 days of creation in Genesis ... our Lord the designer and creator of everything.

Day 3

“Then God said, ‘Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear’; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good” (Genesis 1:9-10).

The Lords word is not a detailed science book.
 
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They are pretty straight down the line when it comes to a literal 7 day creation week with all three persons of the Triune Godhead involved.

But we try to stick with the text when it comes to day 4 and "Two great lights" created vs .. "a zillion and two" . Some Creationists will argue that all of the universe was created 3 days after creation week for Earth which is not strictly called for given that day 4 in Genesis 1 - claims only two lights are created.. the Sun and the Moon.
OK Bob.
I'm not a creationist in that sense.
I don't know how we could reconcile 6 literal days with science. Not that I trust science in these matters, but it IS clear that it took millions of years for the earth to form.

I don't care to argue this because we each must believe what we will and since it has nothing to do with salvation...I usually bow out.

Thanks for the info!
 
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They can prove the earth is billions of years old now?
It's difficult to know who you're asking unless you use the "reply" button on the bottom right hand side of the post.

But, yes, the earth is billions of years old. About 3.
 
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I believe the scriptures really declare it is old.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God, the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"
II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

6000 years is not old.

And no Christian is willingly ignorant about Noah's flood. This is talking about before the creation event of Genesis. Where is the word of God that declares it?

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

was
1961 hayah
hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen, have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use.

void
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bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:
KJV - emptiness, void.

So we see that the word "was" should be translated as became, or come to pass. Meaning before this it had form and was not void, ruined, empty.

And there are verses throughout the bible that alude this this fact- 2nd Peter being one of them.

So yes, the earth is quite ancient. Science declares it and most importantly the bible does as well. As I said, there are other verses that alude to this fact as well. Not everyone's going to agree but that's fine. But I for one am relieved when someone asks me and I can show them from the bible. Many people have steered clear from the Bible over this teaching that the earth is only 6000 years old.

Not trying to debate just post some scriptures and let people decide for themselves.
 
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It all comes down to who do you believe, God or man..

Romans 3:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 
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It's difficult to know who you're asking unless you use the "reply" button on the bottom right hand side of the post.

But, yes, the earth is billions of years old. About 3.

According to who? God's word? Or, is it according to "scientists" which you say don't trust.
Not that I trust science in these matters, but it IS clear that it took millions of years for the earth to form.
So, you don't trust scientists about creation but you do believe them.
 
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They practically invented and spread the Young Earth Creationism across America.

The YEC has its origin in the SDA movement.

https://biologos.org/files/modules/giberson-scholarly-essay-1-1.pdf
Interesting that you believe those who deny God's word is true. I'll stick with God's word. I trust Him.

I don't trust those who make him out to be a liar, like biologos and the Jesus seminar which follow in the direct footsteps of the rationalists who came out of the French revolution. You know, those people who deified the goddess reason, and trashed scripture and God. Interesting that you would latch onto those who follow the movement that arose from the most horrific, bloody, murderous, revolution in history. You know where the gutters on the streets of Paris literally ran full of blood because they were chopping off so many heads. I find any ideas, like rationalism, that arose from that satanic orgy of murder to be extremely suspect because of their origins. Modes of thought which lead to mass murder should be exterminated, not accepted by those who call themselves Christian.

And just so you know, your link is broken.
 
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Interesting that you believe those who deny God's word is true. I'll stick with God's word. I trust Him.

I don't trust those who make him out to be a liar, like biologos and the Jesus seminar which follow in the direct footsteps of the rationalists who came out of the French revolution. You know, those people who deified the goddess reason, and trashed scripture and God. Interesting that you would latch onto those who follow the movement that arose from the most horrific, bloody, murderous, revolution in history. You know where the gutters on the streets of Paris literally ran full of blood because they were chopping off so many heads. I find any ideas, like rationalism, that arose from that satanic orgy of murder to be extremely suspect because of their origins. Modes of thought which lead to mass murder should be exterminated, not accepted by those who call themselves Christian.

And just so you know, your link is broken.
SDA should not pretend they they build their faith on the Bible. They follow their prophetess Ellen White, her books are the first thing they offer you in their churches.

They are so much after the Sabbath, earting rules and similar not because they think its in the Bible, but because Ellen White had a prophetical vision about its importance.

SDA and Jehowah Witnesses are the same movement from the 19th century USA.
 
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According to who? God's word? Or, is it according to "scientists" which you say don't trust. So, you don't trust scientists about creation but you do believe them.
Science is not always wrong you know.
You should not hate science.

If you want to believe the earth is only 6 thousand years old, you can.

Just don't say it's actual knowledge but that you prefer to believe the O.T. which was written 4,000 years ago
and was never meant to be a book of science.
 
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Here's my view, based on scripture, which I'll quote heavily.

God the Father, the Holy Spirit, The Son and angels were present at creation.

Genesis 1:1-2 KJV

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The word God is Elohim, which is plural. See Strong's H430 (Gods, angels.)

The earth was without form and void. See Strong's H8414. (Formlessness. Empty space.) It didn't exist.

The Son (Jesus) is our creator.

Colossians 1:16-20 KJV

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.​

God created light and darkness on the first day.

Genesis 1:3-5 KJV

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.​

This is the start of day/night cycles, in other words, time; the first day. Note that the sun, moon and stars weren't created until the fourth day, so we know God created light and darkness to separate night from day. From the start, we can see God's deliberate plan for 6 days of work, 1 day of rest. More on this later.

God spoke creation into existence.

Speaking things into existence doesn't take thousands or even millions of years. Each day, God spoke and His creation appeared.

God had a complete plan before creation.

Ephesians 1:4 KJV

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

Hebrews 4:1-5 KJV

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Revelation 13:8 KJV

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The plan for the Sabbath and for us. The Son knew He would have to die for us, from before the foundation of the world.

God hallowed and sanctified the seventh day.

Genesis 2:1-4 KJV

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

Mark 2:27-28 KJV

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Creation points forward, to Earth's history as it would unfold.

2 Peter 3:8 KJV But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The first inclination is to take this verse to mean that creation actually took 6,000 years, but this makes no sense because Adam and Eve would've been 1,000 years old by the end of the first Sabbath rest. Adam's full life was 930 years.

Genesis 5:5 KJV And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.​

This shows us that the six days of creation were literal days, not thousands of years.

The creation week set an example for man, in the 6 day work week and the 1 day of rest. It also pointed forward to the entirety of Earth history.

Six days is six thousand years to God. One day is one thousand years to God.

The Millennial Week
Creation to Crucifixion: 4,000 years
Crucifixion to Second Coming: 2,000 years
Second Coming to Judgment: 1,000 years​

6,000 years of work and 1,000 years of rest.
What is the work?
  • God's case is made against Satan in the eyes of all created beings.
  • Saving of as many as possible.
What is the rest?
  • Sabbath rest.
  • God rests His case.
  • Jesus reigns as King.
  • Satan is bound, sin is no more.
Of dire importance.

This would put us at the very end of the 6,000 years of Earth's history. If Jesus was crucified in 31-33 AD, we're about a decade from the Second Coming! Jesus said He would come like a thief in the night, so it could be sooner!
 
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SDA should not pretend they they build their faith on the Bible. They follow their prophetess Ellen White, her books are the first thing they offer you in their churches.

They are so much after the Sabbath, earting rules and similar not because they think its in the Bible, but because Ellen White had a prophetical vision about its importance.

SDA and Jehowah Witnesses are the same movement from the 19th century USA.
It's too bad you know so little of scripture.
Genesis 1:29 ¶And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

The original diet God gave man is fruits, grains, nuts, and vegetables. Which happens to be the traditional SDA diet. So, claim again that Ellen White is the author of the SDA diet. All she did was sweep away the garbage that tradition had built up and expose the truth about the diet God originally given to all mankind. It's like what Jesus did to the Pharisees. He swept aside their hypocrisy and said we must be born again and our righteousness must be greater than theirs to get to heaven.

And the Sabbath? It was given before sin. God sanctified the 7th day of the week before sin came into existence on this earth. It was God's gift to all humanity long before a Hebrew existed. Thousands of years before a Hebrew existed. And Sabbath keeping was designated by God as the sign between Sabbath keepers and God that Sabbath keepers were those whom acknowledged that it was God who sanctified them, not they themselves. In other words, those who have never been self-righteous but credited God for sanctifying them.
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

The giving of the Sabbath was God's first expression against self-righteousness and the first method He gave us to show our appreciation for His work in saving us. It is God's appointed way for us to show our appreciation of thanks to Him for His love for us. That is the antithesis of legalism. It is the expression of the human heart of love for God.

It's God's way of expressing His disgust with self-righteousness. No other day of the week has that distinction made by God. And if some human says I'm going to worship on some other day not the day God set aside, what is it an expression of? Self-righteousness. It's like Cain's offering vs Abel's offering. God only accepted one expression of worship. He set's the rules. We do not. So I will bow as Abel did. I will accept God's commands as Abel did. I will not try Cain's methods of worship and repentance.

You can choose to do as you please.
 
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Science is not always wrong you know.
You should not hate science.

If you want to believe the earth is only 6 thousand years old, you can.

Just don't say it's actual knowledge but that you prefer to believe the O.T. which was written 4,000 years ago
and was never meant to be a book of science.

Christ was literally physically raised from the dead - in real life, in nature, in actual historic fact.

Even though "man-made-science cannot do that" - man's understanding of how to reproduce it in the lab lags behind the reality. That does not make science "bad" it just means it is less capable than God.

It is false to claim that knowing historic fact "is not knowledge until you can reproduce the event in the lab".

Christ literally was born of a virgin and literally in historic fact - raised Lazarus from the dead. Even though man-made science cannot master that - it still happened and we still know it.

It is illogical (not even remotely scientific) to wildly claim that God cannot tell you He did something without first showing you how you can also do it.

evolution falls short of knowledge and leans more heavily on "belief" than most people have suspected.
 
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SDA should not pretend they they build their faith on the Bible. They follow their prophetess Ellen White,

Why settle for making false accusations when you could actually make a case from fact instead? What is the point in that? It is not a compelling form of discussion.
 
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