Not seeing is Believing

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In John 20:24-29, All Jesus’ disciples saw Lord Jesus’ spirit amongst them, after his body died on the cross. They tell Thomas, a disciple who wasn’t among them when they saw his spirit, in verse 25, “We have seen the Lord.” Thomas tells them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”


As verse 26-27 says, “Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’” In verse 27 Jesus makes another appearance, this time with Thomas being with the other disciples. Jesus convinces Thomas it is he, by having Thomas put his finger into Jesus’ hand among other things.


Thomas had to see Jesus’ spirit in order to believe it is him. Jesus, giving a mild rebuke to Thomas but at the same time making a proclamation, says in Verse 29, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” The idea of believing without seeing is the essence of faith, is it not? To be sure, Hebrews 11:1 says, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, THE CONVICTION OF THINGS NOT SEEN.’


I have not seen God, nor did I see Lord Jesus, but I have faith they exist. I don’t have to see them to know they exist. How do I know? Because passages such as John 20:24-29 says so. I believe those verses because 2 Timothy 3:16 says they come from God since they are in the Scriptures. That, and the fact that millions of people believing in them can’t be wrong, leads me to believe they exist. And, do I not want to be blessed by God through Lord Jesus?


If Thomas existed today, with millions believing in God through Jesus, instead of when only the disciples saw the spirit of Lord Jesus, would he be convinced that Lord Jesus and God exist? After all, he didn’t make his name by being a ‘Doubting Thomas’ for nothing!


But there are many others today who do not believe God and Lord Jesus exist, simply because none of their five senses have detected them. They don’t believe that God and Jesus in spirit form ever existed. I asked one such person, “If God never existed, then who created the universe?” He didn’t have an answer, other to say “Well, the universe is just here.


If they don’t believe in God and Lord Jesus, we may be pressed to convince them that the sky and earth’s mountains and islands can be rolled up into a scroll as it implies in Revelation 6:14. And, they are apparently not swayed no matter how many people believe in God through Jesus.


Can such people change? It depends on what the person accepts as proof. For some of those, it may take what they might perceive to be a miracle, to convince them. We would be hard-put to convince them through logic, since for them the logic of the situation is that all the things that God supposedly created were always here---that is, God didn’t create them. If they were told that God did create all things, they may then ask, ‘Well who created God?’ and to that, there is no answer so they may say, ‘Well if you don’t know who created God, then how can you believe the idea of creating anything?’


You might tell them, well, we were created in God’s image, we create things like bricks and buildings, so if we created things, then God created the things we said He created...and since God is a creating kind of being, He created the Scriptures that tell us about Him and the people who believe in Him through Jesus.


So, if we and God create things, it’s not too far-fetched to believe that God created the universe, and if He did, as we know He did, it’s not to far along to believe the other things that were said about Him.


Hebrews 11:1 says that faith is the conviction of things not seen. How do we convince those who’ve never ‘seen’ God and Lord Jesus? Or at least those who THINK they never saw how they operate in our hearts?
 
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How do we convince those who’ve never ‘seen’ God and Lord Jesus? Or at least those who THINK they never saw how they operate in our hearts?

The more I think about it, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that the best thing is prayer and love. Selfless love, and especially helping in need. It's the love of Christ in action more than our own minds then. Arguments may sway someone, another might be moved by fear, but even the best of us only know in part and from personal life-long experience of struggling with anxiety and fear, the thought of trying to control someone through fear disgusts me.

In general, if anyone is interested, if they're ready to learn about Christ even a little bit (and even for that God gets the credit, for working the soil), they want to see faith realized in a person. If we are to show Christ to someone, we should be like Christ to them and selfless, patient and forgiving love is a power to behold. Yes, we can and should guide them to the Bible, but we can't force the Bible on them. If people ask where we get our strength, we know how to answer based on our faith and life experience, and we can give many comforting Bible verses to people who are struggling. But we can and should also pray for them. I don't believe it was a human being who gave me faith, it certainly wasn't an argument, so I will pray for people, give it all to God, and ask for Him to guide me if I am to be of any use to someone, and in the meantime I will try to love that someone without wanting anything in return, and even in that I should depend on God instead of my own frail ability.
 
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In John 20:24-29, All Jesus’ disciples saw Lord Jesus’ spirit amongst them, after his body died on the cross. They tell Thomas, a disciple who wasn’t among them when they saw his spirit, in verse 25, “We have seen the Lord.” Thomas tells them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”


As verse 26-27 says, “Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’” In verse 27 Jesus makes another appearance, this time with Thomas being with the other disciples. Jesus convinces Thomas it is he, by having Thomas put his finger into Jesus’ hand among other things.


Thomas had to see Jesus’ spirit in order to believe it is him. Jesus, giving a mild rebuke to Thomas but at the same time making a proclamation, says in Verse 29, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” The idea of believing without seeing is the essence of faith, is it not? To be sure, Hebrews 11:1 says, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, THE CONVICTION OF THINGS NOT SEEN.’


I have not seen God, nor did I see Lord Jesus, but I have faith they exist. I don’t have to see them to know they exist. How do I know? Because passages such as John 20:24-29 says so. I believe those verses because 2 Timothy 3:16 says they come from God since they are in the Scriptures. That, and the fact that millions of people believing in them can’t be wrong, leads me to believe they exist. And, do I not want to be blessed by God through Lord Jesus?


If Thomas existed today, with millions believing in God through Jesus, instead of when only the disciples saw the spirit of Lord Jesus, would he be convinced that Lord Jesus and God exist? After all, he didn’t make his name by being a ‘Doubting Thomas’ for nothing!


But there are many others today who do not believe God and Lord Jesus exist, simply because none of their five senses have detected them. They don’t believe that God and Jesus in spirit form ever existed. I asked one such person, “If God never existed, then who created the universe?” He didn’t have an answer, other to say “Well, the universe is just here.


If they don’t believe in God and Lord Jesus, we may be pressed to convince them that the sky and earth’s mountains and islands can be rolled up into a scroll as it implies in Revelation 6:14. And, they are apparently not swayed no matter how many people believe in God through Jesus.


Can such people change? It depends on what the person accepts as proof. For some of those, it may take what they might perceive to be a miracle, to convince them. We would be hard-put to convince them through logic, since for them the logic of the situation is that all the things that God supposedly created were always here---that is, God didn’t create them. If they were told that God did create all things, they may then ask, ‘Well who created God?’ and to that, there is no answer so they may say, ‘Well if you don’t know who created God, then how can you believe the idea of creating anything?’


You might tell them, well, we were created in God’s image, we create things like bricks and buildings, so if we created things, then God created the things we said He created...and since God is a creating kind of being, He created the Scriptures that tell us about Him and the people who believe in Him through Jesus.


So, if we and God create things, it’s not to far-fetched to believe that God created the universe, and if He did, as we know He did, it’s not to far along to believe the other things that were said about Him.


Hebrews 11:1 says that faith is the conviction of things not seen. How do we convince those who’ve never ‘seen’ God and Lord Jesus? Or at least those who THINK they never saw how they operate in our hearts?

Jesus did not appear as a spirit after his death and resurrection. When Thomas doubted he had to stick his hand into Jesus' side, not into the side of a spirit-being.

Your logic about creation is flawed. If we create things that has no bearing on whether God created the universe and/or planet earth.
 
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***We were created in God's image. that's the existentialism of our creative prowess.

That is off topic. Simply because humans create things doesn't mean anything in regards to God. He gave us free will and opposable thumbs, but that doesn't make us gods.
 
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Well yes, to the extent we were created in God's IMAGE.

Are you joking? Making a coffee cup makes me like God? When I was younger I kept bees; they created elaborate combs from what they gathered. Does that make them like God? What about the birds that create nests? Does that make them like God? And there are many other examples like these.

What happened to all God's people, the Israelites, when they began to fashion whatever they wanted? Were they like God when they created idols to worship?
 
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Are you joking? Making a coffee cup makes me like God? What happened to all God's people, the Israelites, when they began to fashion whatever they wanted? Were they like God when they created idols to worship?

Well no, they walked away from God, but until then, to the extent they created things, like, say, a fire to keep warm, they were like God to the extent we were created in God's IMAGE, that is, the image of our Creator.

Hey pesci, why don't you critique my latest posting, "God and Predestination?" Be interested to see what you say about that.
 
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Well no, they walked away from God, but until then, to the extent they created things, like, say, a fire to keep warm, they were like God to the extent we were created in God's IMAGE, that is, the image of our Creator.

Hey pesci, why don't you critique my latest posting, "God and Predestination?" Be interested to see what you say about that.

Where is your ""God and Predestination" posting?
 
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