God is more willing to save sinners than sinners are to be saved

God is more willing to save sinners than sinners are to be saved

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Hammster

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Does "draw" in this context not mean "entice" ?
Here’s where else it’s used.
Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn.
— John 21:11


Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave’s name was Malchus.
— John 18:10

And He said to them, “Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch.” So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish.
— John 21:6


But when her masters saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the market place before the authorities,
— Acts 16:19


But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court?
— James 2:6
 
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Does "draw" in this context not mean "entice" ?
Correct.
In this instance it means to attract.
But those on the other side of this fence like it to mean DRAG.

So they must be universalists....
Since John 12:32 also uses this word and Jesus says He will draw all men to Himself.....If it means drag, then Jesus will save ALL MEN and DRAG them to himself.

Here's what it means:

JOHN 6:44 ATTRACT
JOHN 12:32 ATTRACT
JOHN 18:10 UNSHEATH
JOHN 21:6 PULL
JOHN 21:11 DRAW
ACTS 16:19 DRAG
ACTS 21:30 DRAG
JAMES 2:6 DRAG

If the reformed believe that
John 6:44 means TO DRAG
then John 12:32 also means TO DRAG
and they must then agree with universalism.

I'm outta here because this has been going on too long.
 
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That, and you need to completely change the definition. ;)
It means something different in each case.
If it means drag,,,then John 12:32 is universalism.
You know the story...
Can't argue this anymore H,,,,it tires me.
 
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It means something different in each case.
If it means drag,,,then John 12:32 is universalism.
You know the story...
Can't argue this anymore H,,,,it tires me.
It always means a force applied to something. It never means attract. And just because you misunderstand John 12:32, it doesn’t mean that it results in universalism.
 
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It always means a force applied to something. It never means attract. And just because you misunderstand John 12:32, it doesn’t mean that it results in universalism.
What don't I understand about
John 12:32?
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
NASB

All Men: Without regard to nationality, ethnic affiliation, or status.

32 And when I am lifted up on the cross, I will draw everyone to me.”
The Living Bible

Everyone: Without regard to nationality, ethnic affiliation or status.


If DRAW means to DRAG,,,
then it certainly does mean universalism.
 
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What don't I understand about
John 12:32?
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
NASB

All Men: Without regard to nationality, ethnic affiliation, or status.

32 And when I am lifted up on the cross, I will draw everyone to me.”
The Living Bible

Everyone: Without regard to nationality, ethnic affiliation or status.


If DRAW means to DRAG,,,
then it certainly does mean universalism.
I’m not sure if you know this, but “all” had two acceptable meanings, both of which are used all throughout scripture.
 
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Then “all” in John 12:32 could mean all types of men, and no harm would be done to the verse. The context even suggests it.
Yes,,,it could mean all types of men.
What would the difference be?

Doesn't ALL TYPES OF MEN
still mean ALL men?
 
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Yes,,,it could mean all types of men.
What would the difference be?

Doesn't ALL TYPES OF MEN
still mean ALL men?
No. It could mean people from all nations, and not just the Jews.
 
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