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This is going to be a comprehensive study of the things we can do on this earth that will earn us rewards in the Kingdom of God. Often, people teach and discuss the issue of salvation. That is very important; probably the most important thing to discuss within Christianity. However, I think also there is another topic worthy of much discussion, and that is the prospect of eternal rewards.

Alms, Prayer, Fasting

First of all, when I often talk about eternal rewards in person with people, I get weird looks. I've been told they had never heard of the concept of being rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven for our deeds on this earth. However, it is biblical. Let us turn towards the scriptures, and I will show you.

I bring to your attention, my friends, Matthew 6. I would encourage you to read it before continuing, unless you understand it well enough. Now, what did you read? The first thing Jesus teaches us is how to properly do alms. (Alms, as defined by the dictionary, is the act of giving food and money to the poor.) He told us to do it in secret, (or rather, to not do alms to be seen,) because if we do it to be seen, we already have our reward. But if we do it in secret, our Father will reward us openly.

I also think the concept of alms applies to nearly any good deed you can do for the direct benefit of another person. For example: starting/volunteering in a soup kitchen, housing the homeless, giving clothes to people, visiting the elderly and widows, etc. These things are surely alms, at least to me.

He also teaches similar concepts with praying and fasting: pray in secret, fast not to be seen. And that if we do this, we will be rewarded openly. A good question is, "When we will be rewarded?" Some may tell you that we follow God today to get rewards in this life. I am here to tell you today, that I believe it is in the next life in which we are rewarded.

I now turn your attention to Matthew 6:19-20, where Jesus says:
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal"


Jesus first tells us three things to do to be rewarded. Jesus then tells us not to store up our treasures upon the earth. I think a wise assumption would be that Jesus must mean our alms, prayers, and fasting, will follow us into eternity.

Other rewards

That's all well and good. What else gets us rewarded? There are several other things Jesus and his disciples/apostles said we would be rewarded for.

1. Being persecuted. (Matthew 5:11-12.) Rejoice when people mock you!
2. Loving your enemies, lending expecting nothing in return. (Luke 6:35.)
3. Being generous; as in, giving. (Luke 6:38.) Jesus recommends to sell all that you own and give to the needy. (Luke 12:33-34.)
4. Being hospitable to those who cannot repay. (Luke 14:12-14.)
5. Obeying God's laws and teaching others to do so. (Matthew 5:19.)
6. Faithful Endurance in our walk with Jesus (1 Corinthians 9:24-25, Matthew 24:13.)
7. Loving God and His coming to earth (2 Timothy 4:8)
8. Serving God in the roles of the clergy, as an elder, "feeding the flock" (1 Peter 5:1-4)

These things I have mentioned so far are worth doing throughout our lives. That way, in the Kingdom of God, we will get considerable rewards.
I must say however, that if you recognize any things we can be rewarded for that I did not mention, to say so, and I will add them to this post. I love you all. I want you all to get glorious rewards in God's Kingdom. I want you to have more rewards than myself. I want you all to bring more glory to God than I ever could. God be with you, and may His peace overtake you.
 

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(I am not sure if this is the correct subforum to post this; if not, please move it.)

This is going to be a comprehensive study of the things we can do on this earth that will earn us rewards in the Kingdom of God. Often, people teach and discuss the issue of salvation. That is very important; probably the most important thing to discuss within Christianity. However, I think also there is another topic worthy of much discussion, and that is the prospect of eternal rewards.

Alms, Prayer, Fasting

First of all, when I often talk about eternal rewards in person with people, I get weird looks. I've been told they had never heard of the concept of being rewarded in the Kingdom of Heaven for our deeds on this earth. However, it is biblical. Let us turn towards the scriptures, and I will show you.

I bring to your attention, my friends, Matthew 6. I would encourage you to read it before continuing, unless you understand it well enough. Now, what did you read? The first thing Jesus teaches us is how to properly do alms. (Alms, as defined by the dictionary, is the act of giving food and money to the poor.) He told us to do it in secret, (or rather, to not do alms to be seen,) because if we do it to be seen, we already have our reward. But if we do it in secret, our Father will reward us openly.

I also think the concept of alms applies to nearly any good deed you can do for the direct benefit of another person. For example: starting/volunteering in a soup kitchen, housing the homeless, giving clothes to people, visiting the elderly and widows, etc. These things are surely alms, at least to me.

He also teaches similar concepts with praying and fasting: pray in secret, fast not to be seen. And that if we do this, we will be rewarded openly. A good question is, "When we will be rewarded?" Some may tell you that we follow God today to get rewards in this life. I am here to tell you today, that I believe it is in the next life in which we are rewarded.

I now turn your attention to Matthew 6:19-20, where Jesus says:
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal"


Jesus first tells us three things to do to be rewarded. Jesus then tells us not to store up our treasures upon the earth. I think a wise assumption would be that Jesus must mean our alms, prayers, and fasting, will follow us into eternity.

Other rewards

That's all well and good. What else gets us rewarded? There are several other things Jesus and his disciples/apostles said we would be rewarded for.

1. Being persecuted. (Matthew 5:11-12.) Rejoice when people mock you!
2. Loving your enemies, lending expecting nothing in return. (Luke 6:35.)
3. Being generous; as in, giving. (Luke 6:38.) Jesus recommends to sell all that you own and give to the needy. (Luke 12:33-34.)
4. Being hospitable to those who cannot repay. (Luke 14:12-14.)
5. Obeying God's laws and teaching others to do so. (Matthew 5:19.)
6. Faithful Endurance in our walk with Jesus (1 Corinthians 9:24-25, Matthew 24:13.)
7. Loving God and His coming to earth (2 Timothy 4:8)
8. Serving God in the roles of the clergy, as an elder, "feeding the flock" (1 Peter 5:1-4)

These things I have mentioned so far are worth doing throughout our lives. That way, in the Kingdom of God, we will get considerable rewards.
I must say however, that if you recognize any things we can be rewarded for that I did not mention, to say so, and I will add them to this post. I love you all. I want you all to get glorious rewards in God's Kingdom. I want you to have more rewards than myself. I want you all to bring more glory to God than I ever could. God be with you, and may His peace overtake you.

out of curiosity - what is the "reward" for evil? For evil deeds? for "bad" evil deeds in your view?

2 Cor 5:10 "10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."
 
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out of curiosity - what is the "reward" for evil? For evil deeds? for "bad" evil deeds in your view?

2 Cor 5:10 "10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."

I do believe we will be punished for the evil we commit as Christians. What this punishment is, I cannot say for sure. I now draw your attention to Luke 12:47. The servant who know's his Master's will, but does not act accordingly, will be "beaten with many blows." Is this a literal beating? Is this metaphorical? What does God have in mind for those who are saved but disobey? I can't think of anywhere in scripture where it says what exactly these "blows" we disobedients will be beaten with.

Well, I just thought of something. Remember Matthew 5:19? It says, whoever breaks God's laws, and teaches others to do so, will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That sounds like a punishment to me!

Thank you for your reply. I love thinking about this sort of stuff.
 
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I do believe we will be punished for the evil we commit as Christians. What this punishment is, I cannot say for sure. I now draw your attention to Luke 12:47. The servant who know's his Master's will, but does not act accordingly, will be "beaten with many blows." Is this a literal beating? Is this metaphorical? What does God have in mind for those who are saved but disobey? I can't think of anywhere in scripture where it says what exactly these "blows" we disobedients will be beaten with.

Well, I just thought of something. Remember Matthew 5:19? It says, whoever breaks God's laws, and teaches others to do so, will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That sounds like a punishment to me!

Thank you for your reply. I love thinking about this sort of stuff.

I take from the Luke 12 text that there are degrees of punishment ... some get more than others. Which means that only a finite event is in view. Whatever happens it is finite rather than "everyone gets infinite" torment.

And that means that Matt 10:28 is literally true - no matter how much torment is involved in the liter fire and brimstone lake of fire second-death etc -- still end the end it is as finite as Matthew 10:28 says. And there are in fact degrees of it.
 
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I take from the Luke 12 text that there are degrees of punishment ... some get more than others. Which means that only a finite event is in view. Whatever happens it is finite rather than "everyone gets infinite" torment.

And that means that Matt 10:28 is literally true - no matter how much torment is involved in the liter fire and brimstone lake of fire second-death etc -- still end the end it is as finite as Matthew 10:28 says. And there are in fact degrees of it.

I think, as Christians, we are allowed to have differing beliefs on non-salvific things, such as eternal punishment or annihilationism. Which one is the truth has eternal consequences, but our salvation doesn't rest on us properly understanding Gehenna.

The point of my post was not to discuss eternal punishments, but Eternal Rewards in the Kingdom of God. You are free to discuss whatever you like of course, but I would ask kindly to keep in the spirit of eternal rewards. Thank you, God be with you.
 
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I do believe we will be punished for the evil we commit as Christians. What this punishment is, I cannot say for sure. I now draw your attention to Luke 12:47. The servant who know's his Master's will, but does not act accordingly, will be "beaten with many blows." Is this a literal beating? Is this metaphorical? What does God have in mind for those who are saved but disobey? I can't think of anywhere in scripture where it says what exactly these "blows" we disobedients will be beaten with.

Well, I just thought of something. Remember Matthew 5:19? It says, whoever breaks God's laws, and teaches others to do so, will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That sounds like a punishment to me!

Thank you for your reply. I love thinking about this sort of stuff.

I take from the Luke 12:45-48 text that there are degrees of punishment ... some get more than others. Which means that only a finite event is in view. Whatever happens it is finite rather than "everyone gets infinite" torment.

And that means that Matt 10:28 is literally true - no matter how much torment is involved in the liter fire and brimstone lake of fire second-death etc -- still end the end it is as finite as Matthew 10:28 says. And there are in fact degrees of it.

I think, as Christians, we are allowed to have differing beliefs on non-salvific things, such as eternal punishment or annihilationism. Which one is the truth has eternal consequences, but our salvation doesn't rest on us properly understanding Gehenna.

The point of my post was not to discuss eternal punishments, but Eternal Rewards in the Kingdom of God.

Luke 12:45-48 where the wicked of one class gets tormented more than the wicked of another - is about the negative reward... punishment.

My point is that the 2 Cor 5:10 text on "rewards" deals with both the rewards for good and the rewards for bad deeds (being the eternal reward of eternal death in the lake of fire in that case). Just as does Luke 12:43-48 only Luke 12 gives more detail in some respects.

Luke 12:45-48 deals just with the negative reward for evil... the lake of fire torment. ... and your Luke 12:47 focus is right there for it.

You are free to discuss whatever you like of course, but I would ask kindly to keep in the spirit of eternal rewards. Thank you, God be with you.

Ok ... so then "the rewards for good deeds" in Luke 12:43-44 is the focus?? I would have thought your focus on 12:47 would point us to the bad-deed-reward scenario.
 
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Ok ... so then "the rewards for good deeds" in Luke 12:43-44 is the focus?? I would have thought your focus on 12:47 would point us to the bad-deed-reward scenario

Oh, no, my main focus isnt Luke 12:47 (or even 2 Cor 5:10). If you read my OP, you will see the verses I intended to discuss. :)

I didn't really intend to talk about eternal punishments, just eternal rewards. That's my main focus. The concept of eternal rewards appears several times throughout the scriptures, not Just 2 Cor 5:10. To be frank, I don't really want to discuss eternal punishments. Only rewards. :)

I want to encourage my brethren to chase God and His eternal rewards, and to be heavenly-minded, to the point of only pursuing heavenly rewards, and forsaking all that does not earn such. :)

I am not chastising you or anything. I just decline the offer to talk about the "bad rewards" - what I would call punishments. I would rather talk about "good rewards" - our treasures in Heaven. Quite frankly I don't intend to find out or ponder what these punishments will be, because I don't intend to discover them myself. I intend to discover the treasures I have hopefully stored up for myself :)
 
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Oh, no, my main focus isnt Luke 12:47 (or even 2 Cor 5:10). If you read my OP, you will see the verses I intended to discuss. :)

I didn't really intend to talk about eternal punishments, just eternal rewards. That's my main focus. T

Ok - sorry about that I don't know how I got to the Luke 12:47 focus.
 
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Ok - sorry about that I don't know how I got to the Luke 12:47 focus.
You're totally fine man! I appreciate the discussion with you. I actually have been feeling bad about how I could have potentially mistreated you - if I have upset you, I am sorry.
 
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I appreciate the reminder of the Scriptures' teachings on eternal rewards. I think it's good to keep those things in mind, especially as motivation in difficult times.

God wants to reward us and He wants us to know and remember that we will be rewarded by Him, and that the works we do here and the things we endure by faith for His sake are not in vain.

However, I must confess that the earning of spiritual rewards have never been much of a focus or a motivation for me as a Christian. My chief motivation is simply to do what pleases the Lord, because I love Him. My reward will be having Him say to me, "Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of your Master", and spending eternity in His presence, worshiping and fellowshiping with Him. Any spiritual rewards I receive on that Day will merely be a bonus.
 
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I once saw three Christians pursuing the Lord’s commandments. One afraid of the punishments that await sinners avoided every evil. The other motivated by his desire for heavenly rewards was diligent in every good work. And finally the last, minded of God’s mercies to her wanted to please Him through her obedience. And fear, reward and love were to be seen at work. Obviously, the greater of the three is love.

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The man who renounces the world from fear is like burning incense that begins with fragrance but ends in smoke. He who leaves the world through hope of reward is like a millstone that always revolves in the same place. But he who withdraws from the world out of love for God has obtained fire at the very outset; and, like fire set to fuel, it soon kindles a larger conflagration. - Saint John Climacus
 
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I once saw three Christians pursuing the Lord’s commandments. One afraid of the punishments that await sinners avoided every evil. The other motivated by his desire for heavenly rewards was diligent in every good work. And finally the last, minded of God’s mercies to her wanted to please Him through her obedience. And fear, reward and love were to be seen at work. Obviously, the greater of the three is love.

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The man who renounces the world from fear is like burning incense that begins with fragrance but ends in smoke. He who leaves the world through hope of reward is like a millstone that always revolves in the same place. But he who withdraws from the world out of love for God has obtained fire at the very outset; and, like fire set to fuel, it soon kindles a larger conflagration. - Saint John Climacus

I once saw four people working. One was working to feed his family, for fear of their starvation. One was working to achieve great success in his career field, and worked very hard. The next worked because he loved his job. The fourth? The fourth did everything the other three did - he worked to feed his family, while working to achieve great success, and especially because he loved his job. Which one was the more fruitful worker?
 
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I once saw four people working. One was working to feed his family, for fear of their starvation. One was working to achieve great success in his career field, and worked very hard. The next worked because he loved his job. The fourth? The fourth did everything the other three did - he worked to feed his family, while working to achieve great success, and especially because he loved his job. Which one was the more fruitful worker?
The first, because he denied himself for the sake of his family. The fourth person's motives are not entirely pure.

Obviously, I define fruitfulness as that which is most pleasing to God.
 
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