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According to which denominations are you saved?
What denomination a person belongs to is of no consequence, it is how they have lived their lives. There are only two churches, the church of the devil and the church of the Lamb of God. Jesus Christ is our judge and He knows who loves Him and who doesn't:

(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

He also knows who His friends are:

(New Testament | John 15:13 - 14)

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

He is the author of salvation for the obedient:

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 
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It tells me that many people have read this passage and were inspired to read the Book of Mormon. Many of those who who did read the Book of Mormon have concluded that it is true and have joined Christ's true church, The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.
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Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the harlot of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.

 
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what do you mean was a false prophet? He either is a false prophet who started the Church you belong to now or he isn't a false prophet.

We follow Moses and Isaiah as God's prophets who lived many Centuries ago.

God has plans that you are not aware of.
 
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What denomination a person belongs to is of no consequence, it is how they have lived their lives.

You misrepresent Mormonism. Tell your missionaries to stay home and to never baptize another non-Mormon.
 
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Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the harlot of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
A person is NOT saved by simply belonging to a certain denomination. There are good and bad people in every denomination. Christ knows who LOVE Him and they are the ones who obey Him and don't follow after the lusts of the world:

(New Testament | Mark 4:18 - 19)

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

(New Testament | Titus 2:11 - 15)

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4 - 9)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
 
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You misrepresent Mormonism. Tell your missionaries to stay home and to never baptize another non-Mormon.
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is Christ's true church but being a member does not guarantee salvation. Salvation comes by keeping the commandments.
 
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The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is Christ's true church but being a member does not guarantee salvation. Salvation comes by keeping the commandments.
So this supposed true Church of Jesus Christ really takes Christ out of the equation.
Like "Believe in Him" for one.
 
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So this supposed true Church of Jesus Christ really takes Christ out of the equation.
Like "Believe in Him" for one.
Devils also believe in Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | James 2:19 - 20)

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
 
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Devils also believe in Jesus Christ

Devils like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Muhammad, Felix Manalo, Russell M. Nelson, Jeffrey Holland, David Bednar, etc. All kinds of Christ-deniers believe in the false Christs of their cults instead of Christianity, as is foretold in Matthew 24:24. That's the real 'confirmation' of Mormonism in the Bible.
 
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Devils also believe in Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | James 2:19 - 20)

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Trouble is, Mormons believe in 2 or more Gods.
 
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Devils like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Muhammad, Felix Manalo, Russell M. Nelson, Jeffrey Holland, David Bednar, etc. All kinds of Christ-deniers believe in the false Christs of their cults instead of Christianity, as is foretold in Matthew 24:24. That's the real 'confirmation' of Mormonism in the Bible.
We will see who denied Christ and who didn't.
 
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Trouble is, Mormons believe in 2 or more Gods.
For us there is one God and Father:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus has a God, and He is God is the Father:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
 
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For us there is one God and Father:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Jesus has a God, and He is God is the Father:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And around the mulberry bush we go.

Once again how do you explain this when even the devils believe there is one God as the OT tells us over-and over?

(New Testament | James 2:19 - 20)

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
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We will see who denied Christ and who didn't.

We already see. We've talked to Mormons. Some here have even been Mormons. It's not some mystery.

Mormonism hates God, and motivates its people to deny Him.
 
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And around the mulberry bush we go.

Once again how do you explain this when even the devils believe there is one God as the OT tells us over-and over?

(New Testament | James 2:19 - 20)

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Are the devils saved because they believe in Christ? Good luck with faith without works.
 
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Are the devils saved because they believe in Christ? Good luck with faith without works.

So the thief on the cross was not saved, then, despite his having lived a life of evil? Huh. I wonder what Christ was on about, then... :scratch:
 
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We already see. We've talked to Mormons. Some here have even been Mormons. It's not some mystery.

Mormonism hates God, and motivates its people to deny Him.
Ridiculous statement:


(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:15 - 19)

15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
 
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So the thief on the cross was not saved, then, despite his having lived a life of evil? Huh. I wonder what Christ was on about, then... :scratch:
We will find our at the judgment where every one of us stands before Jesus Christ to be judged by their works.
 
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You're dodging the implications of the question: if Christ the Lord can save people in spite of themselves (and I would argue that nobody is ever saved otherwise, as all have fallen short in some way), then on what basis do Mormons or others say that their specific works must be done? Indeed, Christ does say various things such as that we must be born of water and spirit (John 3:5), but in Christianity -- where Christ is God -- there can obviously be various interpretations of just how to fulfill that, e.g., in that some churches baptize infants, and others don't, but all do baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit -- the coessential and coequal Holy Trinity (Matthew 28:19). What is absent in Mormonism seems to be an admission that salvation is possible by various means that are outside of normative baptisms, such as was the case with the thief, or for that matter anyone born before the time of St. John the Baptist and Forerunner (even though Mormonism itself bears no resemblance to that). There is a scholarly discussion to be had regarding just how much of a continuation of the preexisting Hebrew practices and understandings St. John's baptisms were (see video below), so even that could be separated from the Jewish law in a way that Mormonism does not seem to do. You're still all about law in the Jewish sense, disregarding our Lord's coming and fulfillment of said law.

 
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Ridiculous statement:


(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:15 - 19)

15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.

I'm sorry, I don't speak Mormonese, and I don't care what your book says (it's not a Christian text), so you might as well be quoting the Upanishads or Mao's little red book. I only know that the Christ of your religion is not the Christ of Christianity, according to your own leaders such as Gordon B. Hinckley:

"As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say."
 
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