Chastity in Marriage

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I'm sorry but that is completely insane.
Insane might be a bit strong. However, The Word of God clearly Shows the wife to be well within her rights. The big issue with this situation is that I’m fairly sure that his wife doesn’t want it to be a laborious task where she needs to express gratitude. I think after reading some of the other responses including one I posted preceding this one, there seems to be a general consensus among responses. The question emanated from a young person as I recall and over time change will occur if he is in Christ.
 
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Actually, there is a lot of biblical basis. Over and over again we hear the council of fleeing from the lusts of the flesh.

Which does not include sex within marriage.
If you believe it does, produce a verse which says so.

What is sex but the supreme lust of the flesh?

An expression of love towards your spouse, which God created and gave to us.

And also, I'm not forcing her. I said "persuade" in the OP. I just want her to realize and contemplate the idea that God desires obedient children who deny themselves.

He doesn't desire people who disregard his gifts and try to persuade others to do so.
Marriage involves a sexual relationship with each other. You chose to get married, you and your wife agreed to devote yourselves only to one another, no-one else - now you have mistaken ideas about that and want to persuade your wife to go along with them.
You chose to get married.

Again, Im not naïve to think we'd never have sex again. The flesh is weak. The idea is to be aware and do our best for God.

Doing your best for God involves having a normal, loving married life; not trying your best to go without sex, giving in occasionally because it pleases your wife but feeling like you have to turn away from God during those times.
 
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Does Jesus say anything on the subject? The op says he believes this is what God wants. Should he not listen?
Paul says he owes himself to his wife. And she owes herself to him. Are you married?
 
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Hello, I've been happily married for almost 2 years now but I have a problem. The last 6 months or so I've come to know and love God a lot more. and he has been urging me to a life of purity. I've have been succeeding immensely in being obediently in all areas except for sex and this is taking a terrible toll on my conscience and is separating me from God. I try to explain to my wife that we should be celibate but she just says sex is part of life and will not give it up. I recently managed to go for 2 months without sex and then she started complaining, so I fulfilled my marital duties and had sex with her. Now again I feel disheartened and like I've spit in God's face.

Can someone offer advice on how to persuade my wife to join me living happily in chastity?
thanks in advance.
You cannot live in chastity when you are married. God does not support that and will never ask you to do that. It is not God who is asking you to stay "pure" in your marriage. God created sex for ONLY for married couples
1 Corinthians 7:2-5 says "each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."

What about children? Children are gifts from God, are you refusing God's gifts?
Jeremiah 29:6 says "Marry and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters. Increase in number there; do not decrease"

May God Bless you and your wife
 
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Danny, after 11 pages, have you noticed that there has not been a single person who has supported you in your beliefs? I urge you to take a step back, and consider for a moment that you might be... wrong.

Here's a perfect example of something that should be raising some serious flags.


Here, you are absolutely correct and I abide by that scripture.

I'm not withholding anything. When my wife requires intimacy, I give it to her. I turn my back on God and satisfy her. I repent and carry on.
The passage in question here is this:

1 Corinthians 7:3 - The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.

Let's think about this for a quick second. Scripture is God's Word to us. God has declared that in a marriage relationship that the husband and the wife should have sex. It's right there in I Corinthians 7:3. If this is God's Word, would you agree that God would not ask you to sin? God would not ask you to do something wrong?

Yet, you say that when you obey the Word of God and fulfill God's command to you in I Corinthians, that to do so means you have to turn your back on God and sin? How does that work? Do you not see the contradiction you find yourself in?

You really should heed what everyone is saying here. I think it's great that you have a desire to grow in your sanctification and become more like Christ, and to honor God more, and to live a life that glorifies Christ - that's a great place to be.

But, the honest to goodness Truth here is that you have a completely warped, unbiblical, and misunderstanding of the nature of marriage.

Do you realize that marriage was the very first covenant that God instituted? Marriage preceded even the law. A marriage between two Christians is the most intimate and meaningful relationship that two people are capable of having this side of heaven. Sex is literally a blessing from God.

Sex in marriage - is pure. This notion you have that sex, even within the confines of marriage is dirty - is not from God. It's simply not. You have been misled, and while your heart is in the right place, your actions are leading yourself down a path that will either lead to divorce, or to simply missing out on one of the greatest blessings God has given you.
 
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Hello, I've been happily married for almost 2 years now but I have a problem. The last 6 months or so I've come to know and love God a lot more. and he has been urging me to a life of purity. I've have been succeeding immensely in being obediently in all areas except for sex and this is taking a terrible toll on my conscience and is separating me from God. I try to explain to my wife that we should be celibate but she just says sex is part of life and will not give it up. I recently managed to go for 2 months without sex and then she started complaining, so I fulfilled my marital duties and had sex with her. Now again I feel disheartened and like I've spit in God's face.

Can someone offer advice on how to persuade my wife to join me living happily in chastity?
thanks in advance.
Why is not having sex purity?

I would understand that if you weren't married but you are married and within the context of marriage sex is purity. Pure marriage, marriage that is pure, is sexual.

My advice: Go have sex. Lot's of it. As often as you can. As diversely as you want. And stop thinking of sex as an act and start thinking of it as a pervasive part of your life, a pervasive part of marriage, a pervasive part of who and what you are in Christ. Sex is not a episode in which a penis is inserted into a vagina. Sex is just one means of connecting and expressing value for God, another, and self. Sex can be and should be worship, worshiping the Creator of sex.

Genesis 1:27
"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."


Both male and female reflect God's image. One sex alone does not wholly bear that image.

Ecclesiastes 4:7-12
"7Then I looked again at vanity under the sun. 8There was a certain man without a dependent, having neither a son nor a brother, yet there was no end to all his labor. Indeed, his eyes were not satisfied with riches and he never asked, “And for whom am I laboring and depriving myself of pleasure?” This too is vanity and it is a grievous task. 9Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor. 10For if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to the one who falls when there is not another to lift him up. 11Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one be warm alone? 12And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three strands is not quickly torn apart."

If you were married in the church then you said some vows and made some pledges. Those vows formed a covenant with four parties: your spouse, the pastor, the attendants, and most importantly God. The priest, minister, or pastor stood there not just as an officiant, but as the agent for God to whom the two of you pledged to love one another in sickness and health, etc., etc., until one of you died. So if you can have sex and you're not having sex then you are not fulfilling the vows made to God and therefore not pure.

So, again, I am going to ask you where you got this idea sexual abstinence was purity because wiothin the context of marriage sex is purity. I hope it wasn't 1 Corinthians 7:1 and 5. Most of the first half of 1 Corinthians 7 is Paul's personal opinions, not inspired word from God. Right at the end of verse 6 we read, "Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. But this I say by way of concession, not of command." He states right in the middle, at verse 10, "But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord..." and then two sentences later says, "But to the rest I say, not the Lord..."

For some reason God saw fit to allow Paul's personal opinion - Paul's mistaken personal opinion - to remain in His word. Yes, I can hear the bristle of dissent all the way across the internet.

Paul was incorrect; God wants you touching your wife so well and so often that she has no doubt she is loved by God Almighty - you are God's temporal agent for his love and affection, His value for that woman you married. Every day for the rest of your life.

We know Paul's personal opinion is his own and not one shared by God because the first command God ever gave to humanity was "Be fruitful, and multiply, subdue the earth and rule over it." In other words, we know Paul's teaching on marriage is flawed because he contradicts God's earlier commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Within the context of Genesis the being fruitful and multiplying is accomplished through biological progeny, not just spiritual progeny. Humans were made as sexual creatures. God made males with penises and women with vaginas and teleologically the penis was made for a vagina and the vagina for a penis. That is their divinely designed function or purpose. God did that.

And nothing God made is impure.

Genesis 1:31
"God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good."

Based on God's own divine appraisal sex is good. Very good. Yes, sex has been corrupted by sin but one of our goals as Christians is to act as redemptive agents in creation, one act at a time, one circumstance at a time, one person at a time, until the entirety of our life can be understood through the lens of redemption. God read the story of Ruth and realize Boaz does not just redeem Ruth (and Naomi), but he redeems the entire bloodline of Judah. This is the power you have as a husband, Danny.

Under the old covenant the priests abstained from sexual activity while serving as priests. That was a brief period of service and it was the exception to the rule, not the standard for marital congress. That covenant has been done away with in terms of priestly service and now, in Christ, there is no male or female and both are royal priests in the Melchizedek order, not the Levitical order. We serve 24/7. We serve even in bed. Purely.

So if you think God told you to be abstinent then ask Him "How long?" and consider the possibility that He wasn't heard well and as a consequence God sent your wife to you to break the fast. He does that sometimes; speak through others in the body ;).
 
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Having the fear of the Lord means we value what He says over our opinions. It's not always easy.

'"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." I Cor 7:4

"...each husband should have sexual intimacy with his wife and each wife should have sexual intimacy with her husband. 3 A husband has the responsibility of meeting the sexual needs of his wife, and likewise a wife to her husband. 4 Neither the husband nor the wife have exclusive rights to their own bodies, but those rights are to be surrendered to the other. 5 So don’t continue to refuse your spouse those rights, except perhaps by mutual agreement for a specified time so that you can both be devoted to prayer. And then you should resume your physical pleasure so that the Adversary cannot take advantage of you because of the desires of your body." I Cor 7 TPT

I would asks the Lord to help me obey His Word.
 
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There must be a legitimate reasons for not having sex, in your case, talk about it with your wife, tell her what you are thinking and explain and what is going on for you. She will appreciate it more than you giving her flimsy excuses. Again pray to God that he would work in your wife by his spirit to make your wife servant-heated and give her good knowledge of you and your motives.
God bless both of you.
 
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Hello, I've been happily married for almost 2 years now but I have a problem. The last 6 months or so I've come to know and love God a lot more. and he has been urging me to a life of purity. I've have been succeeding immensely in being obediently in all areas except for sex and this is taking a terrible toll on my conscience and is separating me from God. I try to explain to my wife that we should be celibate but she just says sex is part of life and will not give it up. I recently managed to go for 2 months without sex and then she started complaining, so I fulfilled my marital duties and had sex with her. Now again I feel disheartened and like I've spit in God's face.

Can someone offer advice on how to persuade my wife to join me living happily in chastity?
thanks in advance.
I believe there is some merit to what you are saying.....And there are times for abstinence, even in a marriage. However....If you have decided that you now wish to remain celibate, without mentioning this to your wife before marriage, you should allow her to get the marriage annulled, so that she can find someone who will be able to honor the pledges made on the wedding day.
 
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I believe there is some merit to what you are saying.....And there are times for abstinence, even in a marriage. However....If you have decided that you now wish to remain celibate, without mentioning this so your wife before marriage, you should allow her to get the marriage annulled, so that she can find someone who will be able to honor the pledges made on the wedding day.
Upon what scriptural basis would he persuade his wife they should remain celibate?

Having already been sexually active and thusly consummated the marriage upon what scriptural basis would the marriage be annulled?

If the marriage is annulled and she finds someone new how will either Danny or his wife honor the pledges made on their wedding day?

Is it understood this op is not wholly Danny's "choice"? He reports being led by God. Do you find this claim God led him to celibacy or sexual abstinence in his marriage consistent with what God says elsewhere in His written word about sex within marriage?

Please do explain your post.
 
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Upon what scriptural basis would he persuade his wife they should remain celibate?

Having already been sexually active and thusly consummated the marriage upon what scriptural basis would the marriage be annulled?

If the marriage is annulled and she finds someone new how will either Danny or his wife honor the pledges made on their wedding day?

Is it understood this op is not wholly Danny's "choice"? He reports being led by God. Do you find this claim God led him to celibacy or sexual abstinence in his marriage consistent with what God says elsewhere in His written word about sex within marriage?

Please do explain your post.
If you have questions of your own, please start a new advice thread. We are forbidden to reason with each other on an Advice thread unless you are the one that started it.
 
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If you have questions of your own, please start a new advice thread. We are forbidden to reason with each other on an Advice thread unless you are the one that started it.
Then answer those questions for Danny's sake so he might understand the basis of your advice to him and I will not respond to that explanation.
 
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For me.. unless I have the word of God wrong.. the simple truth is.. you are ONE. And the mans body is hers and her body is yours. Your married and one thing the lord DID say is to HAVE children. And God would never tell one person in a marriage to not have sex with your spouse.

If it goes against the word of God...its NOT from Him. Again.. its like they said Christ was a demon .. and made people sick to heal them. A kingdom divided again its self will fall. A man and woman come together and become ONE and then they have kids.. this is what GOD said.

Now.. Christ...how does HE think of us.. the Church? I think more of my WIFE what SHE wants not what I want. Not based on anything she does or does not do. For me to think of my self 1st.. my wants.. is not love. Again.. were married...were one. Since were married..God will always want me to be thinking of her.. loving her as He loves me. Not having sex in a marriage... can't use GOD as a reason. Goes against the word of God.. as I read and understand it.
 
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Hello, I've been happily married for almost 2 years now but I have a problem. The last 6 months or so I've come to know and love God a lot more. and he has been urging me to a life of purity. I've have been succeeding immensely in being obediently in all areas except for sex and this is taking a terrible toll on my conscience and is separating me from God. I try to explain to my wife that we should be celibate but she just says sex is part of life and will not give it up. I recently managed to go for 2 months without sex and then she started complaining, so I fulfilled my marital duties and had sex with her. Now again I feel disheartened and like I've spit in God's face.

Can someone offer advice on how to persuade my wife to join me living happily in chastity?
thanks in advance.

Hi Danny. I hope I can offer some sound advice. First, chastity dies not mean to refrain from all sexual activity, rather to refrain from extramarital sexual activity. Sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed only within the confines of holy matrimony. The classic Book of Common Prayer (1662) says it best:

DEARLY beloved, we are gathered together here in the sight of God, and in the face of this Congregation, to join together this man and this woman in holy Matrimony; which is an honourable estate, instituted of God in the time of man's innocency, signifying unto us the mystical union that is betwixt Christ and his Church; which holy estate Christ adorned and beautified with his presence, and first miracle that he wrought, in Cana of Galilee; and is commended of Saint Paul to be honourable among all men: and therefore is not by any to be enterprised, nor taken in hand, unadvisedly, lightly, or wantonly, to satisfy men's carnal lusts and appetites, like brute beasts that have no understanding; but reverently, discreetly, advisedly, soberly, and in the fear of God; duly considering the causes for which Matrimony was ordained.
First, It was ordained for the procreation of children, to be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord, and to the praise of his holy Name.
Secondly, It was ordained for a remedy against sin, and to avoid fornication; that such persons as have not the gift of continency might marry, and keep themselves undefiled members of Christ's body.
Thirdly, It was ordained for the mutual society, help, and comfort, that the one ought to have of the other, both in prosperity and adversity. Into which holy estate these two persons present come now to be joined. Therefore if any man can shew any just cause, why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him now speak, or else hereafter for ever hold his peace.
 
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By now, you have had time to get with God and become pure in His love so you can have pure sex with your wife. So, what I am going to add, here, might not apply to you, by now. But please consider this in a positive way, in any case.

God made sex; so sex is not dirty. But your dirty ways of seeing things can make sex dirty for you. So, do not let this happen. If there are dirty things in you causing you to see sex as dirty, then trust God to correct you so you appreciate and thank Him for His blessing of sex with your wife.

God bless you to :)
 
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I already have offered how Jesus says >

"'He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.'" (Luke 16:10)

So, if you are being unjust in how you see sex, this means you also must be unjust in how you are doing other things. Because if you have a dirty way of seeing sex, also you are capable of seeing your wife the wrong way.

You could be seeing your wife's love and enjoyment as being lust, when it isn't. Because you are capable of seeing a beautiful and wonderful thing as being dirty . . . or impure . . . or whatever you mean. It is good for your wife to desire to share personally and intimately with you; this is not lust. Lust is when someone just wants to use you only for the pleasure; if your wife loves you, she is not like this!

And indeed love does not have us just using anyone. There are plenty of good things people do with ones they love, in order to have enjoyments; but they are mainly about being with each other.

So, do you appreciate your wife wanting to have conversations with you, about different good things? Do you appreciate sharing in prayer and God's word together, and do you talk about all the good things of God's word, and not only about avoiding sex?

Like I say, if you are spoiling how God would bless you with sex, you could be spoiling yourself for other things, too. Because Jesus says, "He who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much."
 
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Here is another thing >

Our purity in Jesus does not depend on our works.

We are saved by grace through faith. God's grace makes us pure.

So, it is not Biblical to suppose that we become pure by avoiding a good thing like sex which God created.

True purity is in God's love. And God's love is the same in a married person as in a celibate. Holy matrimony is a blessing of God's pure love, and holy matrimony includes sex.

And if you share sex in God's love, you will enjoy this, because you love your wife and therefore enjoy and appreciate her. Plus, you will enjoy how God's love has you doing the sex, because our Creator's love is creative and beautifully wonderful and pure and pleasant and perfectly satisfying.
 
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I think your trying to adjust to a more pure lifestyle is great. Sex really brings almost nothing good into this world. Even though it won't be as easy for her, I would give your wife more time to try to adjust
Sex brings almost nothing good into this world? Really? Children aren’t a good thing?
 
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