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when we have a problem with someone, we should go to that person first; if the problem cannot be resolved one-on-one then we should involve 2 or 3 witnesses. If the problem still cannot be resolved we should involve the whole church and if the problem still cannot be resolved after that, then the person whom the church deems to have the problem should be kicked out.

This did not work for me. If it is the minister, you will find that you get no support. Someone in the church was bullying me but the minister took their side, I guess because of the money they were giving but anyway they were friends with the minister. I got in touch with three persons who were supposed to be safeguarders as I am classed as vulnerable due to age, isolation and illness, but they did not respond to me. I had to leave to avoid further psychological hurt.
 
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I don’t think I understand how a vaccination is the mark of the beast. I believe that whatever it is, you won’t have to guess as to it’s intent.

I agree. It can't just be because some believers think God is against technology . If the MARK is even about a micro chip and I'm not totally convinced it is the point is the condemnation of receiving the mark is that one would actually have to deny Christ's lordship over their lives. Some almost think the evil is having a cashless society but we've really basically had that for years. The issue is are we worshipping someone else as God which would mean that we've rejected Christ's claims of who and what he is in our lives.
 
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Oh. Like when it talks about these freaky animals, fire, scary faces, etc...

All prophecy speaks in symbolic and visual language, and as such becomes a language of its own. For instance, Gods presence in the Bible is shown visually to be fire; the tongues of fire above the apostles in the books of acts showed God's Holy Spirit upon them. The burning bush that Moses saw represented God's presence there. Paul describes Jesus second coming as in blazing fire.

Therefore, when we think of fire, or see a prophetic announcement regarding fire, we see the presence of God in it.

In general, God presence can be positive, or judgement. As God's people it's always a positive experience, worshipful, beautiful and 100% victorious. If your not among His people, then Jesus's eyes blazing with fire, speaks of the judgment, justice meted out.

The mountain of fire that is cast into the sea wherein 1/3 part of the sea became blood in Revelation 8:8 is showing in very visual Biblical language very specific things, and when you know the Bible well you see what those things are.

First, this is a judgment involving God's presence, as we see with the fire. Second in the Bible mountains represent kingdom's, so it's a judgment involving a kingdom represented by the sea. The "sea" in the Bible is always the sea of people around the Mediterranean, so we know it's a judgment surrounding a kingdom in the Mediterranean region.

When we read Jeremiah, we see this mountain:

"Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth; and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain" (Jeremiah 51:25).

The mountain was the emblem in Jeremiah's prophecy, of the strong consolidated power and institutions of the Babylonian kingdom so it's easy to see the judgement spoken of in Revelation to be a divine judgement upon a nation's/kingdom's consolidated power and institutions that stand in opposition to God, and thus also God's people who it persecutes.

However, it is the power of God's advancing cause which has the power to hurl the rooted mountains from their base. The power of faith, Christ declared, would suffice to do this (Matthew 21:21).... so we have a blessed hope, that no matter what they do to us, through faith and God's might we will rise victorious. They might kill our bodies, but they will never win this battle.

We see this judgment upon Babylon in Revelation 18 again, with a clearer eye and we see God's people saved from falling into the traps of this world, called to our Lord's saving grace and then God institute's justice:

"Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup."

Why is the Kingdom judged so? We are told:

"Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed on you.".... "In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth."

So she is guilty for persecution of God people, and her destruction and judgements aren't a time of mourning, they are a time of victory and great celebration, for God has prevailed!

I could go on to more examples, but I'Il leave it here as this is just to give you an idea of what prophetic visual language shows.

There's really nothing bad in Revelation unless your scared of judgment upon your own head... if you fear judgment, you should probably pray and read scripture and earnestly seek assurance in your own salvation... because not feeling assured that you are indeed a child of God is the only thing that should worry you about it.

God's presence upon the earth, however, is an awesome and beautiful thing, for God's people, even when it lays bare the sins of nations and judges them because it brings some to life and to repentance.

"And in those days, I will pour our my Spirit upon all people's..."

We live in those days. :) "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.' "

God will prevail over all the machinations of man. He will prevail in China. HE will prevail over Islam. He will prevail over communism. He will prevail over socialism. Whatever man thinks up. Whatever Satan institute's. God and His people prevail. A promise not a fear.

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Lamentations 3:39-40
Why should the living complain when punished for their sins? Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the LORD.

"We were created for the Lord's Glory. Do you desire His Glory? Well, what if the Lord's Glory requires vindicating Himself? This is what we should ask ourselves. What if God gathering glory to Himself came at a personal cost to ourselves, to our comfort? Would we still welcome His Glory? The question is always where is God in our thinking..." - Pastor Robert McCurley of Greenville Presbyterian Church.
 
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There is no vaccine ... yet.

Whether one will come from Bill Gates efforts ... is, currently, highly questionable.

In past years, we've taken vaccines for smallpox, whooping cough, measles, polio, various strains of flu, tetanus, etc.

My household has experienced COVID 19. I'd suggest you take advantage of whatever medical science can gift to you ...


Another question: If you take the mark, is it too late to repent after? No one will come to Christ after taking the mark? You wouldn't be forgiven if you asked?


You have nothing to worry about...there are life saving cures with out the vaccine...no one needs the vaccine.

As for the mark of the beast...in my understanding of scripture...we will know exactly what it is...not hidden in a vaccine. Our Father in heaven would never allow that to happen...we will know and it will be obvious and we will be able to chose.
 
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There are plenty of reasons to be concerned with a vaccine rushed to market, but being the "mark of the beast" is not one of them. It is neither scriptural or logical.
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I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.
The "mark" will have one solid difference from all of these scary things..

It will be full well known that taking the "mark" is paying fealty, worship, acknowledgement and praise to the anti Christ.

It will be fully knowledgeable to the person accepting or rejecting the taking of the mark that they are accepting or rejecting a covenant with the anti christ.

No person will take the mark and then be "whoa... I didn't know it was the mark of the beast"...

It will be solid common knowledge of the implications of the "mark".
 
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Matthew 16:24-26 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

Do not fear about the mark of the beast, just be faithful to the Lord. He told us that to follow Him required that we too take up our cross. It will be an honor to do that.
 
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You have nothing to worry about...there are life saving cures with out the vaccine...no one needs the vaccine.
And your medical degree is from where? I cannot wait to read your argument as to why all the experts in the world are conspiring to cover up this truth.

I'm sure it will be a doozy.
 
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Matthew 16:24-26 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
Are you arguing that those of us who take the sensible step of getting vaccinated against a possibly deadly disease are somehow not taking up our crosses? Or that, in pursuing health, we are forfeiting our very souls?

If so, good luck making that stick.
 
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This did not work for me. If it is the minister, you will find that you get no support. Someone in the church was bullying me but the minister took their side, I guess because of the money they were giving but anyway they were friends with the minister. I got in touch with three persons who were supposed to be safeguarders as I am classed as vulnerable due to age, isolation and illness, but they did not respond to me. I had to leave to avoid further psychological hurt.

Hi bmjackson. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I only wanted to clarify that the teaching itself is good and worth applying. If it fails, it is because the people involved don't properly apply it. I don't know the surrounding circumstances of your case, but I hope you'll not let that one incident turn you off the good principle behind the teaching. Hang in there. :)
 
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Oh. Like when it talks about these freaky animals, fire, scary faces, etc...
"Freaky animals" are in fact not representing animals at all. If you read the book of Daniel there are freaky animals as well but they were referring to Babylon, Persia,Greece and the Roman Empire(?)
 
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All prophecy speaks in symbolic and visual language, and as such becomes a language of its own. For instance, Gods presence in the Bible is shown visually to be fire; the tongues of fire above the apostles in the books of acts showed God's Holy Spirit upon them. The burning bush that Moses saw represented God's presence there. Paul describes Jesus second coming as in blazing fire.

Therefore, when we think of fire, or see a prophetic announcement regarding fire, we see the presence of God in it.

In general, God presence can be positive, or judgement. As God's people it's always a positive experience, worshipful, beautiful and 100% victorious. If your not among His people, then Jesus's eyes blazing with fire, speaks of the judgment, justice meted out.

The mountain of fire that is cast into the sea wherein 1/3 part of the sea became blood in Revelation 8:8 is showing in very visual Biblical language very specific things, and when you know the Bible well you see what those things are.

First, this is a judgment involving God's presence, as we see with the fire. Second in the Bible mountains represent kingdom's, so it's a judgment involving a kingdom represented by the sea. The "sea" in the Bible is always the sea of people around the Mediterranean, so we know it's a judgment surrounding a kingdom in the Mediterranean region.

When we read Jeremiah, we see this mountain:

"Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth; and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain" (Jeremiah 51:25).

The mountain was the emblem in Jeremiah's prophecy, of the strong consolidated power and institutions of the Babylonian kingdom so it's easy to see the judgement spoken of in Revelation to be a divine judgement upon a nation's/kingdom's consolidated power and institutions that stand in opposition to God, and thus also God's people who it persecutes.

However, it is the power of God's advancing cause which has the power to hurl the rooted mountains from their base. The power of faith, Christ declared, would suffice to do this (Matthew 21:21).... so we have a blessed hope, that no matter what they do to us, through faith and God's might we will rise victorious. They might kill our bodies, but they will never win this battle.

We see this judgment upon Babylon in Revelation 18 again, with a clearer eye and we see God's people saved from falling into the traps of this world, called to our Lord's saving grace and then God institute's justice:

"Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup."

Why is the Kingdom judged so? We are told:

"Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed on you.".... "In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth."

So she is guilty for persecution of God people, and her destruction and judgements aren't a time of mourning, they are a time of victory and great celebration, for God has prevailed!

I could go on to more examples, but I'Il leave it here as this is just to give you an idea of what prophetic visual language shows.

There's really nothing bad in Revelation unless your scared of judgment upon your own head... if you fear judgment, you should probably pray and read scripture and earnestly seek assurance in your own salvation... because not feeling assured that you are indeed a child of God is the only thing that should worry you about it.

God's presence upon the earth, however, is an awesome and beautiful thing, for God's people, even when it lays bare the sins of nations and judges them because it brings some to life and to repentance.

"And in those days, I will pour our my Spirit upon all people's..."

We live in those days. :) "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.' "

God will prevail over all the machinations of man. He will prevail in China. HE will prevail over Islam. He will prevail over communism. He will prevail over socialism. Whatever man thinks up. Whatever Satan institute's. God and His people prevail. A promise not a fear.

Editing to add:

Lamentations 3:39-40
Why should the living complain when punished for their sins? Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the LORD.

"We were created for the Lord's Glory. Do you desire His Glory? Well, what if the Lord's Glory requires vindicating Himself? This is what we should ask ourselves. What if God gathering glory to Himself came at a personal cost to ourselves, to our comfort? Would we still welcome His Glory? The question is always where is God in our thinking..." - Pastor Robert McCurley of Greenville Presbyterian Church.
Still scary
 
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"Freaky animals" are in fact not representing animals at all. If you read the book of Daniel there are freaky animals as well but they were referring to Babylon, Persia,Greece and the Roman Empire(?)
You know what I mean
 
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Are you arguing that those of us who take the sensible step of getting vaccinated against a possibly deadly disease are somehow not taking up our crosses? Or that, in pursuing health, we are forfeiting our very souls?

If so, good luck making that stick.
??? Where did you get that. Maybe you should write your own post about what you are arguing instead of this bizarre ranting. Please show me my post where you could possibly infer this garbage post of yours.

I am saying be at peace, you don't need to worry. If you are a follower of the Lord then what is happening is exactly what He said would happen. As scary as this all might be it certainly is not worse than taking up your cross and following the Lord Jesus to Golgotha.
 
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??? Where did you get that. Maybe you should write your own post instead of this bizarre ranting. Please show me my post where you could possibly infer this garbage post of yours.
Whoa, calm down man. I asked a question. If your answer is "no", great.
 
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I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it.

Matthew 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.

Prepare yourself mentally. I agree with you that this pandemic creates a reason for the world to hate anyone who doesn't get the mark, whether or not Bill Gates has anything to do with it is not a concern to me. I doubt the mark is the vaccine, but rather a RFID chip that would identify you and perhaps let them know you have been vaccinated. We have been warned. Remember our testimony is a testimony to the world, to the unbelievers, to the nations, to the principalities and powers for the Lord's name's sake. That is a great honor.

The mark of the beast is like branding a cow, it shows you belong to Satan. We refuse to be branded with the mark because we have been redeemed by Jesus and belong to Him.
 
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??? Where did you get that. Maybe you should write your own post about what you are arguing instead of this bizarre ranting. Please show me my post where you could possibly infer this garbage post of yours.

I am saying be at peace, you don't need to worry. If you are a follower of the Lord then what is happening is exactly what He said would happen. As scary as this all might be it certainly is not worse than taking up your cross and following the Lord Jesus to Golgotha.
On reflection, even though I did pose you a question, it is clear that my post implied something less than charitable about what you believe. And I made that implication in the absence of any actual evidence. I therefore apologize without reservation.
 
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